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Re: Wide Band Commander (infoage1)

interesting product. just read the the FAQ's. dunno if you're asking the right question. it think this product only monitors air/fuel. it doesn't remap anything. from the site:


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I'm interested in the Power Commander and the Wide Band Commander, what's the difference?
The Power Commander is a device that allows you to make changes to the fueling characteristics of your vehicle. The Wide Band Commander is a device that allows you to monitor / review how rich or lean your vehicle is running. Currently we only have Power Commander applications for motorcycles (www.powercommander.com), but the Wide Band Commander can be used on most anything with a 12v source and burns petrol fuel!
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so this would be cool for the home-tuner or somebody who wants to datalog air/fuel on a track or something like that. if you make frequent changes and want to tune the map on your PCIII yourself, this could be really handy. but if you setup/dial in your bike once, i think doing a custom map on a dyno's the way to go.
 
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Re: Wide Band Commander (s4strati)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by s4strati »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

dunno if you're asking the right question. it think this product only monitors air/fuel. it doesn't remap anything.

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I asked the right question. I understand exactly what it does, and what it doesn't.

It monitors, as well as logs, A/F, RPM and TP.

Obviously, you havn't used one of these to map your bike either...
 
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Re: Wide Band Commander (infoage1)

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I asked the right question. I understand exactly what it does, and what it doesn't.

It monitors, as well as logs, A/F, RPM and TP.

Obviously, you havn't used one of these to map your bike either...

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ahhhhh... so has anybody tuned their bike based on the info one of these has provided?

what i think would be a grandslam from dynojet would be if they provided software that would allow you to punch in a desired A/F ratio and then automatically develop a PCIII map based on the data gathered by the widebandcommander.
but then... they'd be killing their dynojet tuning centers, wouldn't they?
 
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Re: Wide Band Commander (infoage1)

are you going to use this on your car?
 
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Re: Wide Band Commander (s4strati)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by s4strati »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

what i think would be a grandslam from dynojet would be if they provided software that would allow you to punch in a desired A/F ratio and then automatically develop a PCIII map based on the data gathered by the widebandcommander.

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That was the same retorical question I asked the PC guy---before I posted my question here. I got dull silence for an answer.

I guess THAT was the wrong question, for the reason you gave.

oneducs, quit napping during class....
 
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Re: Wide Band Commander (infoage1)

well if only it was made for a dodge truck?
 
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Re: Wide Band Commander (infoage1)

I have mine on order. I will be installing one on a 999R with the pc3r

I use my HKS unit to tune my Haltec on my twincharged mr2. I also have a two exaust gas temp gauges on my car though too. 1.6 pushing 411hp

So with my F.I. tuning skills this should be fun to play with. Once I am done I will run to the dyno to see how my settings worked.


Modified by tireguy at 7:15 PM 1/13/2005
 
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Re: Wide Band Commander (tireguy)

I'm torn between having my bike mapped (hard to find someone I trust, cost about $250-300, one shot deal), or doing it myself through trial and error(s) with a WBC or an Innovate Motorsports box.

The is IM unit is $589 and has better stats: It samples 12x second, and logs for 44 minutes. While the WBC unit I can find for $450, samples 10x second and logs for 10 minutes (I think). Seems I could get a pretty good data log ripping up ACH or HWY 33 a couple times.

Hummmm....The more I type, the more I'm leaning toward the DIY solution. This way I own something, and I already have the pro-version Technoresearch tool anyway.

WTF, right? Might be big fun/satisfaction to play with anyway...

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/
 
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The LMA-2 kit is $429 and has better logging, and configuration software, from what I can see.
No question for my needs - the LMA-2 is both cheaper and better.
 
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Pelon Viejo,

Can the LMA-2 log TP also? I was factoring against the LMA-3. If the LMA-2 can handle A/F, RPM and TP, what else do we need?
 
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by infoage1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Can the LMA-2 log TPS also?

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And the answer is....yes!



7. Auxiliary Inputs

The Auxiliary Inputs of the RPM-Converter cable or the Aux Input cable are used to connect other signals from the car to the LM-1 for data logging. The procedure is the same for all inputs. When connecting signals to the Auxiliary inputs, connect the Ground of the Aux Input Cable (or RPM converter) as close as possible to the sensor from which you want the highest resolution. Ground differences between sensors can falsify the results. Ground differences can be as large as 0.5V, which is 10% of the input range. The Auxiliary inputs have an input impedance (static) of greater than 1 MOhm. You can only hook up Aux-input signals whose voltage never exceeds 5 V and does not go below ground. Failure to heed this warning may cause irreparable damage to either the LM-1 or the RPM-converter.

Typical sensors like MAP sensors or TPS sensor output signals vary with the measured quantity.


 
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Re: Wide Band Commander (infoage1)

I think that the Wide Band Commander and the LM1 are both very good tools. I have a LM-1 and I have seen the Wide Band Commander and this are my reflections.

Wide Band Commander is easier to use. It just connects to the PC3 as I understand it. It is also in a small and nice format. LM-1 is in a format that is maybe a bit big and difficult to install. LM-1 needs abit more work to install and hook up to TPS and ignition system. LM-1 has better performance and they have Logworks software that I think is super and very easy to use. I would say like this.

If you are lazy go for Wide Band Commander.
If you want the best and can accept that is comes in a "not so biker friendly" format go for LM-1

Jocke.
 
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Re: Wide Band Commander (vij)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vij »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think that the Wide Band Commander and the LM1 are both very good tools. I have a LM-1 and I have seen the Wide Band Commander and this are my reflections.

Wide Band Commander is easier to use. It just connects to the PC3 as I understand it. It is also in a small and nice format. LM-1 is in a format that is maybe a bit big and difficult to install. LM-1 needs abit more work to install and hook up to TPS and ignition system. LM-1 has better performance and they have Logworks software that I think is super and very easy to use. I would say like this.

If you are lazy go for Wide Band Commander.
If you want the best and can accept that is comes in a "not so biker friendly" format go for LM-1

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One thing, the Wide Band Commander does not connect to the PC3. It is a "stand alone" unit.

Did you have any problem tapping in for the TPS? What about RPM? Can you post one of your data logs in whatever form you are using them? Chart, graph, spreadsheet, whatever.
 
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Re: Wide Band Commander (infoage1)

Watch the "LogWorks" video on the below link. About half-way through, he talks about a "Fueling Factor Calculation" function. This looks extremely useful:

http://www.innovatemotorsports...1.php

btw, Innovate is coming out very soon (1-3 weeks) with a new product, the LC-1, that allows multiple Lambda probes, and be used with, or without, the LM-1 (direct to a laptop). The other details were a little vague, but it sounds worth waiting for more info.
 
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Re: Wide Band Commander (infoage1)

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Did you have any problem tapping in for the TPS? What about RPM? Can you post one of your data logs in whatever form you are using them? Chart, graph, spreadsheet, whatever.

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For the TPS i was connection to the PC3 TPS connection. What I am going to do in my permanent installation is to cut the PC3 harness in the middle and install a connector. I will then make a Y harness to connect between the PC3 and the harness and this one will go to the LM-1. Then I can easyly install and remove the LM-1. For the RPM I was thinking that I should use the opening signal to the fuelinjector. If it is good enough for the PC3 as RPM indication I am sure it will be good enough for the LM-1. I just have done 1 test run to see if the LM-1 works so it is not realy relevant data on it but if you want I can e-mail it to you so you can see how it looks.

Jocke.............
 
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Re: Wide Band Commander (vij)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vij »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">For the TPS i was connection to the PC3 TPS connection. What I am going to do in my permanent installation is to cut the PC3 harness in the middle and install a connector. I will then make a Y harness to connect between the PC3 and the harness and this one will go to the LM-1. Then I can easyly install and remove the LM-1. For the RPM I was thinking that I should use the opening signal to the fuelinjector. If it is good enough for the PC3 as RPM indication I am sure it will be good enough for the LM-1. I just have done 1 test run to see if the LM-1 works so it is not realy relevant data on it but if you want I can e-mail it to you so you can see how it looks.

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The injector signal should work. I was thinking the crank sensor, but why bother; might as well keep all the connections in the same area.

Did you watch the part in that video about the "Fueling Factor Calculation"? If you can figure out how to filter out the irrevalant data, it pretty much builds a map to load in to the PCIII. I asked a question over on the Innovate forum, but have not yet received a response. Perhaps you can give it a bump. Please send me your test run to infoage1 @yahoo.com

http://www.innovatemotorsports...=1016
 
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Re: Wide Band Commander (infoage1)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by infoage1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

The injector signal should work. I was thinking the crank sensor, but why bother; might as well keep all the connections in the same area.

Did you watch the part in that video about the "Fueling Factor Calculation"? If you can figure out how to filter out the irrevalant data, it pretty much builds a map to load in to the PCIII. I asked a question over on the Innovate forum, but have not yet received a response. Perhaps you can give it a bump. Please send me your test run to infoage1 @yahoo.com

http://www.innovatemotorsports...=1016</TD></TR></TABLE>

As I understand it it takes the average of the lambda. Say for example that during a run you had 7000RPM and 50% trottle 11 times and it takes the average of this 11 times. It is important to make shourt runs to make it useful. For example. Start recording at idle 4000 RPM slowly open the trottle and try to keep the rpm with the brake until what ever RPM you think is good. Stop recording. Start a new recording and do somthing different. Forexample. 3000RPM. Switch on and open to WOT until Max REV. Then switch off and so on. Always make short runs.

Then you download to the computer and you can select which run you want and get a table for that. What is also very usefull is to go on a nice twister and record maybe 5 min and analyse the lambda at different RPM and Power and see how rich/lean it is at different settings. I think the table is nice but it is better to look at the curves and analyse it like that I think.

I hope this helpes a little bit. I will come back when my bike is running again.

Tomorrow the heads goes on with SPS cams. Then checking the timing, order offset keys. Waiting for them. Then I am working a week. Then install them. I might know more in 2 weeks or so. I will let you know.

Jocke..............
 
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Geez, a thread with no flames. How did that happen?


Did you see any info on the response times of the lambda probes?

I saw the WBC on the DJ site a while back, and was concerned that the probes would be so slow as to compromise usefulness of 'on the road' tuning.

I'd like to avoid the whole rigamarole and $ of the dyno-tune...
 
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Re: Wide Band Commander (Speeddog830)

Nick,

I "seem" to have read somewhere on the Innovate site that the response times were fast enough not to be an issue, assumming you put the probe/bung in the correct location. (Although, I remember reading Doug Lofgren saying that the tailpipe probes used in a Dynojet session have a measurable lag).

Do me a favor and watch the "Logworks" training video and then see if you can better explain the answer to my PCIII question on the Innovate forum. Sounds like very powerful software:

LM-101: LogWorks Tips and Tricks
http://www.innovatemotorsports...1.php

http://www.innovatemotorsports...=1016
 
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