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seems like a big fat box of shiit. i mean who cares if the racing is solid, but it sucked. big fat prison balls in the mouth sucked, in every context.

obviously the answer is, someone thought they would make money, and maybe they have even, but it just makes gp look shitty. they should do something on the east coast.
 

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They have the infrastructure to handle the crowds and have more experience with large crowds at racing events than anybody else in the USA. Indy might not be the greatest place on earth but at least they embrace the fans and try to treat the race fans well everywhere they go, unlike Monterey with asshole cops, greedy hotels and locals who hate motorcyclists.

The east coast sucks, there are no tracks that could handle a GP race. Sure there might be a higher percentage of population in the area, but it would end up like Laguna Seca with hotels gouging people on prices.

Hell Laguna is a dog and pony show and is run by a bunch of amateurs, the first year there they ran out of food and water, you had to have a paddock pass to even get access to food. The traffic situation was completely phucked, and has only improved marginally in my opinion since then.

Road America would be a great place for a GP but they would really need to get their shit together, make the track compliant with FIM rules and have the people in place to make it happen. The worst part would be the hotel situation, there really isn't enough within a reasonable proximity.
 

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It's embarassin having it inside a fukn oval! Zero elevation change and the "track" is most likely vendor row at NASCRAP events the rest of the year. The track was probably that slick and greasy all weekend from sweat from NASCAR fans from the Brickyard race.:woot: Seriously though, I wish they would just shelf the race until we are smart enough to have a proper F1/MotoGP facility built, like the one in Austin. I'd never support that race at that venue. And I also think Laguna is way too short of a track. Isn't that the most laps they run all season?:confused:

Why can't we build an Assen or something epic like that for God's sake.:banghead
 

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It's not a co-inky-dink that Indy only got a one year extension:

Report: Austin F1 race site secured, track to be designed by Tilke — Autoblog

Kevin Schwantz advising Austin F1 track on bikes | MotoGP News | Aug 2010 | Crash.Net

They just better not schedule it in the summer. Spring or fall will be great.
Like so many other tracks, I'll wait and see if they actually get it built and operational before some tree-hugging nutcases try to keep it from happening and tie it up in the courts.
 

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seems like a big fat box of shiit. i mean who cares if the racing is solid, but it sucked. big fat prison balls in the mouth sucked, in every context.

obviously the answer is, someone thought they would make money, and maybe they have even, but it just makes gp look shitty. they should do something on the east coast.
  • seats more people than any other venue (of any type) in the world
  • has more racing history than any other venue in the world. period. no debate
  • can get a hundred thousand spectators in and out without any delay
  • has staff that are considerate, competent, and efficient
  • has local lodging that can house twice as many spectators as Moto GP can bring
  • Speed capital of the freaking world
  • revised the road course to meet FIM standards without needing a manufacturer to underwrite it
It's a spectator's dream. For practice, qualifying, and warmups, a spectator can watch from anywhere without being crowded out. Our race day seats were cheap, in the shade, gave us a view of the first 5 corners, and was opposite a giant video board so we could follow the whole race.
The sound of the bikes coming down the canyon of a front straight is unlike anything you will ever hear anywhere else in the world. You can sit opposite the pits during qualifying and watch every bike come and go, see every rider's conversation with his crew, and see video and up to the moment qualifying positions.


Did you go and hate it? Or did you form your opinion from a one hour telecast?
 

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  • seats more people than any other venue (of any type) in the world
  • has more racing history than any other venue in the world. period. no debate
  • can get a hundred thousand spectators in and out without any delay
  • has staff that are considerate, competent, and efficient
  • has local lodging that can house twice as many spectators as Moto GP can bring
  • Speed capital of the freaking world
  • revised the road course to meet FIM standards without needing a manufacturer to underwrite it
It's a spectator's dream. For practice, qualifying, and warmups, a spectator can watch from anywhere without being crowded out. Our race day seats were cheap, in the shade, gave us a view of the first 5 corners, and was opposite a giant video board so we could follow the whole race.
The sound of the bikes coming down the canyon of a front straight is unlike anything you will ever hear anywhere else in the world. You can sit opposite the pits during qualifying and watch every bike come and go, see every rider's conversation with his crew, and see video and up to the moment qualifying positions.
Well said. Especially about the sound of those bikes coming down the front straight. I only went for the race, but I had seats in the same area as yours apparently. The sound of Dani's bike coming into turn 1 all by himself was just crazy. Sounded like a beast, even off the gas...

Not to mention the super cool fact that you are watching MotoGP bikes scream across the yard of bricks at 200mph, inside the canyon of grandstands, in front of the Pagoda and the Indy scoring tower. What a view that is -- maybe not the most beautiful in all of motorsports, but probably the most famous.
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I went for the 2008 Indy GP during the hurricane. Even with the crappy weather, it was amazing. I was up on top of the boxes by the pagoda. I could spit onto pit lane and turn one. Hearing those bikes was unreal. And Indianapolis did a great job with it. A lot of events around town promoting it. bikes in main street, the dirt track race. Parking was great, little traffic getting in and out really
 

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As posted in another thread...

I find the track very spectator friendly. The view from the S.E. corner and the view from the grassy knoll at T9 (I think) onto the back straight is excellent. If you have a pair of auto-focussing binoculars its stupendous. The view from the penthouse boxes in Stand E take your breath away.

Laguna is dirty and dusty and the amenities simply suck. Personally, I think the management at Indy should be commended for their friendly staff and well-organized management of people/traffic/events. I told the older women at one of the food concession stands that I thought they were the friendliest staff of any track I've ever been to. After hearing that, I think they wanted to adopt me. And, having been involved with CART at the team level, I'm no great fan of Tony George.

The staff at 'Guna are frickin' Nazis by comparison.

Finally, I spent some time with Henry Spies this weekend. A real decent chap. Draw your own conclusions.
 

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  • has local lodging that can house twice as many spectators as Moto GP can bring
  • Assen has like 2 hotels about 45 min from the track. I'd say less than 20% of the spectators actually stay in a hotel. Most camp, rain or shine! THEY are fans and that's what makes it the Cathedral of Speed.
Indy, as a town, is a complete shithole. I was there for the dealer expo and the Final Four this year. I would gladly go the rest of my life with NO reason to go back.:woot:
 

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It's embarassin having it inside a fukn oval! Zero elevation change and the "track" is most likely vendor row at NASCRAP events the rest of the year. The track was probably that slick and greasy all weekend from sweat from NASCAR fans from the Brickyard race.:woot: Seriously though, I wish they would just shelf the race until we are smart enough to have a proper F1/MotoGP facility built, like the one in Austin. I'd never support that race at that venue. And I also think Laguna is way too short of a track. Isn't that the most laps they run all season?:confused:

Why can't we build an Assen or something epic like that for God's sake.:banghead
Get over yourself dude, it's great that "we" Americans have the opportunity to get close to the riders and bikes that we love watching. It's not the greatest track in the world, period. I live about 15 minutes away and usually skip Nascar/Indy races but it's great to see the talent and technology on display even if it is around a flat boring track. Some people are never happy.
 

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Assen has like 2 hotels about 45 min from the track. I'd say less than 20% of the spectators actually stay in a hotel. Most camp, rain or shine! THEY are fans and that's what makes it the Cathedral of Speed.
[/list]Indy, as a town, is a complete shithole. I was there for the dealer expo and the Final Four this year. I would gladly go the rest of my life with NO reason to go back.:woot:
Don't go back....thanks!!!....for someone that repeatedly shows his hatred for Indy, you sure go there a lot! :rockon :wtf :rockon
 

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I went this weekend and the whole event was awesome..except for Turdrosa winning and Lenz getting himself killed..not too cool. I will go back next year, but I will never go back to Laguna Sucka..:twocents
 

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i remember walking around after the 2008 race, just going back to the exit. Walked right past the riders trailes and Spies was doing his duties, signing stuff. 5 Minutes later, i walk away with my BS11 signed on my ticket. Granted, that's the only FIM event i've been to, but it was great being able to get that close to the riders that easily
 

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Yeah you guys, Laguna "sucks" (try asking the RIDERS which venue they prefer, or for that matter, which AREA....) so do "us" a favor and STAY HOME next year, we like Laguna for ourselves..............:clapper

Semper Fi! :rockon

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The turn out a Laguna 2 years ago was embarrising to say the least for the elite class. WSBK at Miller motorsports park has been killer the last 3 years. I throw some company events for karting there and it's a HUGE hit!

I say Miller USGP not Indy in 2012 for the 1000cc class!
 

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I feel pretty good about having a GP race 4 hours from my house. Road my cruiser down from Milwaukee, stayed at a Sheraton hotel 10 mins from the track for $65 a night, got in all 3 days at the track for $70, went to the flat track race for $25, got my pic with Rossi in the Omni hotel bar downtown at 12 at night, had a great time downtown for the night life, and have some awesome pics to remeber it all by. Will go back again as long as they keep having it.
 
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