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Actually sounds like we're on the same page
Indeed we are. It is just that different bikes or bike set-ups often call for taking different approaches as to how one uses the brakes. Certain bikes I wouldn't think about touching the rear brake unless I overcooked a corner and instead of either standing the bike back up to re-apply more front brake (and run wide or off course) a little rear brake while still leaned over has often helped me tighten my line and prevent washing out the front tire.

Back on the rear brake, wheelie control was another thing as was controlling wheelspin. Cue the "I'm getting too old for this shit" as the bikes were making more power than I had the ability or desire to deal with. Too many things to think about and it became more fun outrunning liter bikes on outdated smaller displacement bikes by focusing more on being a faster rider than having the fastest bike.

When "backing it in" became a sloppy but effectively intimidating late braking style, it was easy and controllable use of modulating the rear brake that worked really well on certain bikes/set-ups and not at all on others.

I guess I'm taking an old gasbag's long-winded way of saying that we spend much of our riding life trying to impose our will and preferred style of riding or riding approach to every bike we enter into a serious "relationship" with instead of adapting ourselves (or riding styles) to accommodate the natural/intrinsic strengths of those bikes when they happen to differ substantially from what we are used to. It does get harder the older we get.

We spend so much time getting a bike dialed in to suit our style of riding. First with a good base-line set up and then (hopefully) just minor adjustments thereafter based on different tracks, track and/or weather conditions.

I know you you used to be an avid loather of Ducatis (or was it their owners?) but those where bikes I could easily dial in to work great almost ANYWHERE. Telepathic front end feel and could be adjusted to run well/fit a variety of preferred rider set ups.

I never owned a RC51, I rode a mostly stock one one on the track and it was heavy, slow and sloppy. Some time later I had a chance to ride one that had a ton of modifications invested/installed and even though it was just back road pace, it was extremely impressive from what i could tell.... I'm going back to sleep....
 

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I'm really looking forward to your impression of that kit on the 51. I also ride in similar style. spent many years being told that was the wrong way to ride and tried not to, but just kept getting slower and slower. then I rode with the Yamaha Champion school guys and they set me right. started riding the way I naturally wanted to and immediately went fast again. As much as I love everything about the 51 I have always struggled with front end feel and confidence. hell I had much more front end faith pitching my old worn out sloppy forked vfr into corners at a ridiculous pace than I would ever even consider on my 51.
 

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How in the hell did you find those?
A couple of ways:

1) He either found new OLD stock which is what happened when I bought the Marvics for my ZX7R. Indysuperbikes had them on the shelf for years and it was the last set in the country. They are out there.

2) He had them special ordered. Marvic will still make any rims for any bike if they have the specs. Wait time is approximately 90 days.
 

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Fred had them still in his warehouse. I got them for a steal too!





Still haven't gotten my bodywork back from the painter yet, it's only been almost 2 months :rolleyes: so the RC didn't make it to Buttonwillow, but the ZX-10 somehow managed to fill its shoes for the day :)

It was 103*° so by mid afternoon there was only about 5-7 bikes on track. Might was well been out there riding all by myself it was pretty awesome.

 

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Update please. :D

I got nothin really... I spent Monday doing trackside suspension support at Buttonwillow and only got to ride one session which was absolutely horrible as I realized that my perfect handling ZX-10R was now a complete cluster**** of understeer and muscled handling due to a simple wheelbase increase of less than half an inch when I installed a new sprockets and a couple links on the chain length. It completely ruined my set-up. Add to that I was so busy and tired in 100° heat that I really couldn't stop and focus on the problem to fix it so I have been going nuts all week thinking about it.

Made arrangements last night to go back to Buttonwillow this weekend to get it sorted and it's all on my own time so I will not be working with customers which should be productive for me. Might get to take the RC51 as well, but kinda waiting to see what the painter does or does not do before I have to depart.

On the positive side I ****in love my new van!
 

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only got to ride one session which was absolutely horrible as I realized that my perfect handling ZX-10R was now a complete cluster**** of understeer and muscled handling due to a simple wheelbase increase of less than half an inch when I installed a new sprockets and a couple links on the chain length. It completely ruined my set-up.

I hate it when that happens.
 

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Actually, most of your comment, sir. I find your thoughts on trying to re-engineer the motorcycle to fit one's specific riding style, hits close to home. And likewise, your views on the Ducati. It was a bike I was immediately fast on. Perhaps, as a kid, learning to ride in the dirt with a street bike was my first mistake...
 
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