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yeah so i'm fascinated with these supermoto bikes, but unfortunately I don'tknow nearly enough about them
where'sa good place to learn about;

a) the ultimate SM bikes
b) used bikes that can be made into SM bikes
c) what's needed to get a bike converted and street legal
d) average cost of ownership (excluding hooligan tickets)
e) everything else from A to Z

thaaanks!!
 
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Re: supermoto for n00bs (dj_wawa)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dj_wawa »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah so i'm fascinated with these supermoto bikes, but unfortunately I don'tknow nearly enough about them
where'sa good place to learn about;

a) the ultimate SM bikes

Most of the exotic European ready made supermotos like Husqvarna SMR, KTM525 or 6 series,VOR,Vertematti,Husaberg .. you name it

b) used bikes that can be made into SM bikes

Everything dirt bike can be converted to a supermoto few can be street legal from the box others need some dual sport conversion. DRZ400,XR650L and R, KLX650,WR400,CRF450 and YZ450 are the most popular bikes to convert.

c) what's needed to get a bike converted and street legal

you need a pair of 17inch rims with street oriented tires or special ones for supermoto bikes (like the pirelli MT60RS or Maxxis DOTs) a Big front rotor and if you have the money a caliper too and ofcoruse some performance goodies to wake up the engine. As i said some of them are street legal (DR400,XR650L) the ones who aren't they can become fairly easy with a kit from Bajadesigns (around $400) but everything comes down to where you try to make them street legal cause in some places like California the dirtbikes have a different VIN # that makes them impossible to converted!

d) average cost of ownership (excluding hooligan tickets)

The European models like Husqvarna and KTM need higher maintenance than a Japanese dual sport Suzuki DR or Honda XR650L. The dirt models like CRF450,YZF450 and RMZ450 need work quite often. So you have two different ways Low maintenance but lower performance bikes or higher maintenance and higher performance bikes?

e) everything else from A to Z

You just have to try one.. you will be hooked! I had a few bikes in my life from naked to racing replicas but the DRZ is the most FUN bike i ever owned and cant even hit 110mph


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Re: supermoto for n00bs (Giannis)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Giannis »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The European models like Husqvarna and KTM need higher maintenance than a Japanese dual sport Suzuki DR or Honda XR650L. The dirt models like CRF450,YZF450 and RMZ450 need work quite often. So you have two different ways Low maintenance but lower performance bikes or higher maintenance and higher performance bikes? </TD></TR></TABLE>

First of all, any single cyclinder motorcycle, be it an air cooled play bike, a BMW Funduro, a Husqvarna Supermoto, a DRZ, or a KLR, will need more attention than the average multi cyclinder street bike. It's all about the vibration... nothing can bounce up and down, and pulse that much without stressing and shaking the fasteners. Add to that the fact that these bikes gravitate towards dirtier, less sanitized riding conditions, and you'll find dirt and grit getting in places that it never would on an R1. So you'll be inspecting and replacing fasteners, seals and bearings at a much faster pace than you would with a street bike, regardless of what brand or level of sophistication you choose.

Having said that, there are really only two types of single cylinder bikes: Race machines and non-race machines. Race machines like YZs, CRs, RMs, etc. are built with performance as the ultimate goal, reliability and longevity as distant seconds and thirds. They come in a high state of tune, they are not over-built, and they require frequent attention to a) keep them running right and b) prevent them from damaging themselves.

Non race machines are much easier to live with, again, regardless of make. In fact, Having owned a Husqvarna, I can assure you that it was much easier to work on, tune, and tweak than my current Yamaha. Locknut valve adjusters behind valve inspection doors made valve adjustments a half hour task as opposed to the cam removal required to measure and replace shim-under-bucket valves on a YZ. The Husky had cool maintenance features like a grease fitting on the swingarm pivot well. I got parts from my Husky dealer in about the same amount of time that I get my YZ parts, so that was a non-issue. Don't be scared to go European. I don't think they do need more maintenance than Japanese non-race bikes. Even if they need the same amount of maintenance, the European bikes are sometimes easier to work on.
 
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Re: supermoto for n00bs (banda)

i should say most but not all the European models....
 
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The first reply pretty much broke it down, and did a grand job too I might add.

Personally, I had a DRZ that I converted for my first SM and loved it. It was a bit heavy, and a bit underpowered, but the 'S' came street legal so there was no messing around.

Now I am waiting on a Husky SMR and while I expect more regular maintenance than the DRZ (those things are bulletproof) I do not mind and feel its worth it for the performance I am expecting.

You will really enjoy SM though, it is so much easier to enjoy these bikes than a sportbike. If you bail it's no big deal, you may have to bend your shifter back or replace a lever if you don't have guards, but you basically pick it up and go. I also prefer the upright seating, as well as the maneuverability in traffic. It's a great bike to have. :)
 
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aah sweet


first of all I plan on getting one next summer when the insurance runs out on my gixxer and I can get rid of it, it's just too much for the street, and by the sounds of it SM bikes are perfect hooligan bikes that don't have to break the speed limit to lose you your licence three times over


a bike that needs MINIMAL maintenance would be ideal cause I'm not a wrench head jsut yet, I'm working on it, but I'd prefer something that likes to stay in one peice :)
 
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dj_wawa »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">a bike that needs MINIMAL maintenance</TD></TR></TABLE>
KTM625smc, MZ Baghira or Husky
. The Japanese manufacturers don't have an "out of the box" street supermoto in the states
. The cost of conversion will be a lot more than if you buy a Euro SM street ready. Parts supply is no big deal for most of these manufacturers.
 
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Re: supermoto for n00bs (dj_wawa)

Dear DJ,
I've found that converting a sport-touring bike to dirt-use is actually the best option for supermoto-ing..., and the best part is, that hardly any of these other guys have realized it. I started out with a little GS-500, that I outfitted with a bad-ass pair of knobbies. I soon realized that the girls really dig a guy who's dragging a knee through a dirt embankment. As you progress, I'd suggest moving up to an SV 650, outfitted with knobbies, and a dirt front fender, of course. Don't get a GXR though, since everybody's getting those. This is really pioneering in the super-moto world, you know.
 
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Re: supermoto for n00bs (Supermotel6)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Supermotel6 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Dear DJ,
I've found that converting a sport-touring bike to dirt-use is actually the best option for supermoto-ing..., and the best part is, that hardly any of these other guys have realized it. I started out with a little GS-500, that I outfitted with a bad-ass pair of knobbies. I soon realized that the girls really dig a guy who's dragging a knee through a dirt embankment. As you progress, I'd suggest moving up to an SV 650, outfitted with knobbies, and a dirt front fender, of course. Don't get a GXR though, since everybody's getting those. This is really pioneering in the super-moto world, you know. </TD></TR></TABLE>

are you kidding me???please show me a pic of you dragging your knee in the dirt on a gs500
 
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