"peak oil"

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Discussion Starter · Mar 23, 2005

Assembling my 996 today I felt like a real glutton.There is a condition known as "peak oil" . I watched two Maryland senators on CSPAN give an alarming speech on the senate floor last week. What "peak oil" means is,the point in history when we've pumped 50% of the world's supply of oil out of the ground.Well they believe we are AT peak oil THIS YEAR.They claim supplies will decrease by about 3% per year and last about 40 years to depletion! Along the way as prices increase they say whole economies will begin to fail. Hydrogen and nuclear will not save us. What do you guys' think?

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Discussion Starter · #2 · Mar 23, 2005

How in the hell would a couple of bureaucrats know how much oil there is on this planet? Complete and total bullsh!t.

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Discussion Starter · #3 · Mar 23, 2005

Re: "peak oil" (ducxl)

It's inevitable, but not necessarily the end of the world.
Hydrogen is stupid since it takes more energy to convert to H2 than it yields.
It is not generally thought of to be this year, but we won't know until its happened. It'll also be more spiky and less of a bell curve.

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Discussion Starter · #4 · Mar 23, 2005

Re: "peak oil" (b.rock)

erik,do a search and SEE. Not bull at all . fact.

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Discussion Starter · #5 · Mar 23, 2005

Re: "peak oil" (ducxl)

Spin, spin, spin. Chicken little has been crying about the sky falling for about as long as there has been a sky. Fear encourages action and also attracts attention. Politics 101 folks. Not that I deny that we rely too much on foreign oil or oil in general but...Peak oil? Who the F##k cares? And if you did, what would you do about it? Stop driving? Stop drinking from plastic bottles? Stop typing on computer keyboards? Yes, oil has made us lazy but necessity is the mother of invention.

Myself, I spend most of my time watching MTV so I don't have to think about this depressing shite!

Hey Nero, where's my fiddle!??!?

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Discussion Starter · #6 · Mar 23, 2005

Re: "peak oil" (Nick D.)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nick D. »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Spin, spin, spin... Myself, I spend most of my time watching MTV so I don't have to think about this depressing shite!

Hey Nero, where's my fiddle!??!?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Your statement alone should keep you out of this conversation...

Is the theory true? Why yes it is, and it will happen. Will it happen this year? I can't answer that, but stay tuned. It will resurface sooner or later…

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Discussion Starter · #7 · Mar 23, 2005

Re: "peak oil" (ducxl)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ducxl »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">erik,do a search and SEE. Not bull at all . fact. </TD></TR></TABLE>
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I have my doubts about the websites I saw, and I think this issue is one that's not decided by fact. I'll let everyone else argue about it. I don't buy it.

Now, let's get back to Ducati stuff!

Modified by erik996 at 6:13 PM 3/22/2005

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Discussion Starter · #8 · Mar 23, 2005

Re: "peak oil" (ducxl)

I'm not worried. I just installed a DP flux capacitor with a Mr. Fusion home energy converter.

Modified by Shazaam! at 7:29 PM 3/22/2005

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Discussion Starter · #9 · Mar 23, 2005

Re: "peak oil" (ducxl)

There you go, f*cking around with the space/time continuum again....

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Discussion Starter · #10 · Mar 23, 2005

Re: "peak oil" (Shazaam!)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Shazaam! »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm not worried. I just installed a DP flux capacitor.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yea....what he said!

The way I look at it is this....we might have depleted 50% of the middle east oil, but we havent even gotten close to what we have sitting up in Alaska! I figure, let's F#@K the Arabs and when thier out of oil, we can put the slam down on thier ass and jack fuel up twice as much!!!! Call me Mr. *******!!!!

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Discussion Starter · #11 · Mar 23, 2005

Duc of the future......electric motors/ fuel cells/ and a big ass speaker to get the ducati pompone. Its so sad.

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Discussion Starter · #12 · Mar 23, 2005

Re: "peak oil" (Nick D.)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nick D. »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes, oil has made us lazy but necessity is the mother of invention.</TD></TR></TABLE>

This is the point that most folks miss. Our technological capacity has always been, in the grand scheme of things, ahead of the doomsday curve. The fact is, the technology needed to exploit enough of the available natural resources needed to buy us the time to develop emergent energy technologies hasn't even been invented/discovered yet. It will be.

Not to mention that the replies to this thread have been mostly political in nature, which is compellingly indicative of the hypothetical nature of any argument supporting either point of view. We'll be fine. Some things will change, some will stay the same. Chill out.

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Discussion Starter · #13 · Mar 23, 2005

Re: "peak oil" (DesmoBob)

I wasn't trying to create hysteria at all, or cry that the sky is falling either.The sky falling was the first thing to cross my mind though when I first heard about it.But dismissing it outright is just plain ignorant,which made me sad here.I'm sorry now I posted it.One report states the fact where the Saudis' are right now pumping tens of thousands of gallons of seawater into the ground just to keep the pressure of oil high enough to keep oil comming out of the ground.Canada has "tar sands" which contain about as much oil as Saud oil but,is VERY expensive to extract. Alaska is NOTHING as a solution,but a few years supply.We ALL pump gas into our Ducatis' so this thread isn't off topic erik.

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Discussion Starter · #14 · Mar 23, 2005

Re: "peak oil" (YellowDesmo998)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by YellowDesmo998 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Your statement alone should keep you out of this conversation...

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Did you think I was serious!??!?

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Discussion Starter · #15 · Mar 23, 2005

Re: "peak oil" (Nick D.)

Peak Oil is news? Not to me, I was talking peak oil in 2000 (Art Bell anyone?), it's not a new theory at all. Just call me acrackpot. We've always known oil supplies were finite (most of us), but the fact that we've hit a point of no return is somewhat recent. How bout you ask Shell why they keep revising their reserve estimates? Why is Kerr McGee drilling 10,000 feet into the ocean for oil if it's so plentiful? There's gonna be quite a wake up call, but I doubt we will EVER exahust all the supply, it will be too expensive.

The issue most skeptics dismiss is just HOW MUCH we rely on petroleum. It will be much more serious than most people believe. Oil does not spell the end of cars only- it's EVERYTHING we use- home energy, all our consumer goods, how our food is grown, etc.

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Discussion Starter · #16 · Mar 23, 2005

Re: "peak oil" (Monster Man)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Monster Man »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Peak Oil is news? Not to me, I was talking peak oil in 2000 (Art Bell anyone?), it's not a new theory at all. Just call me acrackpot. We've always known oil supplies were finite (most of us), but the fact that we've hit a point of no return is somewhat recent. How bout you ask Shell why they keep revising their reserve estimates? Why is Kerr McGee drilling 10,000 feet into the ocean for oil if it's so plentiful? There's gonna be quite a wake up call, but I doubt we will EVER exahust all the supply, it will be too expensive.

The issue most skeptics dismiss is just HOW MUCH we rely on petroleum. It will be much more serious than most people believe. Oil does not spell the end of cars only- it's EVERYTHING we use- home energy, all our consumer goods, how our food is grown, etc. </TD></TR></TABLE>
+1 totally. The entire industrial revolution on has been fossil-fuel driven. A changeover will be interesting to say the least.
Also, Alaska doesn't have that much. About 6mo of US consumption, last I read.

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Discussion Starter · #17 · Mar 23, 2005

Re: "peak oil" (Monster Man)

Monster Man is correct!

Your bitching at $2.00 bucks a gallon for gas!

Guess what?
When I started driving it like 0.32 cents a gallon.

We will soon be paying $4.00 dollars a gallon like the rest of the world!

World consumption has increased every year, even though that cars we drive are much better at conserving fuel. More people on the face of the planet burning the stuff up!

How bad is it?

Our neighbors up north are looking at pulling oil from these huge sand deposits they have!

It's finally becoming cost effective for them to do so!

It's not the end of the world......But your are going to pay out the pooper for your fuel.

Anyone from the UK?
What are you paying per liter?

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Discussion Starter · #18 · Mar 23, 2005

Re: "peak oil" (Hyperpasta)

yeah, I think people seriously underestimate the financial crunch- the average American is already $8,000 in debt, how the heck will they be able to afford to repower their car or buy a new one? The train has to derail sometime. It won't be the end of the world, but it won't be pretty

Fertilizer, soap, shoes, plastics, ink, and all other items we make are made using oil in some way or another. Propane is not a viable alternative obviously, and biodiesel is in much too short a supply (I know, I've tried to run it in my deuce and a half). Ethanol might work in the short term

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Discussion Starter · #19 · Mar 23, 2005

Re: "peak oil" (ducxl)

Does Peak Oil come in 15/50 or just 10/40....?

Is it better than Mobil1...?

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Discussion Starter · #20 · Mar 23, 2005

The UKs is mostly tax though, in all fairness.
Now if only shale oil was profitable to pull out. I imagine some of it will become so, as prices increase, further flattening out the downside of the curve.

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