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First off I would like to thank Alerx Ortner for letting me over run his shop for a week.
Without his ability to make the crazy stuff I was coming up with we would not have been able to do this.

Second thanks goes to my painter Jeff Harris, he never did a paint job like this before but managed to pull of a perfect job.


And thridly thanks too all the people who made this possible by chipping in and lending a hand.

We didn't end up winning because we didn't have any miles on the bike
Apparently the judges were told that the bikes needed to be street ridden. Of course they could not have known the milage of the bike since it has a digital odometer and there was no battery in the bike. The bike does actualy have 100+ miles on it, they just never bothered to check. It's obvious to me that we were never going to be allowed to win. They were giving us a hard time from the second we unloaded the bike. First it was "Jason Etter entered the bike, why is it registered in William Keros's name?" Who cares? So, I filled out the entry form and Bill was the one to go to the DMV to register it and we are trying to pull a fast one
The next one was "We can't read the VIN (it was painted over), you may be disqualified". My Ducati sales rep had to go to bat for us and re-assure them that this was indeed that bike. The next one was "This bike is not warranty registered" No where in the rules (are there any?) does it say it needs to be warranty registered. Bill called me at the shop from the show and had me warranty register the bike. At this point I was sure that we were not going to be allowed to win. But, I figured we got through that stuff, the rest is up to the bike. Well imagine my surprise when I get a call from Bill at the show telling me we got third becuse our bike was not street ridden. Nowhere in the rules does it say the bike needs to be street ridden. I know this becuase I beat the hell out of the guy at Ducati for absolutely every bit of judging criteria we would be subjected to. If I had "known" about the street ridden thing I would have had Bill take it to Florida last week when he as there and go put some miles on it, scrub the tires to the edges, scrape up the exhaust, etc. Well it seems that you can change the rules as you see fit in the Monster Challenge.


And to top it all off they asked us if we would still bring the bike down to Daytona to display it in their booth
Are you out of your mind? I have an idea................................................Phuck off!


But at the end of the day this is exactly what I expected. What I am mad about is that for some strange reason I though that the "right thing" would happen. Once again I am disappointed by the nature of my fellow humans.

But on a good note we won the 'Peoples Choice' with 75% of the votes.
And that is what realy counts as far as I am concerned.











 
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Re: Our Monster Challenge S4R (section8superbike)

That is a damn nice bike
If you still need to acquire some mileage on the bike, I'd be more than happy to volunteer

It's just too bad how the judges tried to #4%k you over. I guess next year, they may have less people competing in the monster challenge
Just due to the fact that you got screwed
 
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Re: Our Monster Challenge S4R (section8superbike)

strange news to report jason... sorry to hear you got dragged over the coals just to get the bike in.
i gotta say... i STILL don't quite get the tailsection but all in all, the bike looks really well put together. the swingarm extention looks totally seamless in the pics which is impressive.
color selections look real tight and i dig the road-racing-esque under swingarm exhaust. so... this thing hitting the 1/4mile strip soon?
 
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Re: Our Monster Challenge S4R (s4strati)

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Hell yeah
I live about 10 minutes from the track. I'm going to fill the NOS bottles, strap on my Mullet wig....................and let er rip
 
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Jason, first let me say that I think your bike looks great (that tail notwithstanding). It is obvious that your shop can build a very nice bike. I really like the paint job and how the strip tapers.

That said, it is still my opinion that you and your shop should not have been allowed an entry. I realize that other dealership owners, and their employees, have had their bikes in other shows, which I also think is wrong. This should have been a contest for enthusuists, not enthusiastic dealers. Second, I do not think that DNA has handled any aspect of the Monster "Challenge" with any semblance of ethics or integrity (see my earlier post of this issue). Indeed, I believe the entire series is an elaborate charade. In other words, you were duped. Did you at least get your "free" tee-shirt?
 
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It makes a change to see someone thinking outside of the usaul Ducati
Great job Lads...................


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Re: Our Monster Challenge S4R (infoage1)

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Jason, first let me say that I think your bike looks great (that tail notwithstanding). It is obvious that your shop can build a very nice bike. I really like the paint job and how the strip tapers.

That said, it is still my opinion that you and your shop should not have been allowed an entry. I realize that other dealership owners, and their employees, have had their bikes in other shows, which I also think is wrong. This should have been a contest for enthusuists, not enthusiastic dealers. Second, I do not think that DNA has handled any aspect of the Monster "Challenge" with any semblance of ethics or integrity (see my earlier post of this issue). Indeed, I believe the entire series is an elaborate charade. In other words, you were duped. Did you at least get your "free" tee-shirt?

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You know what? I agree with you 100%. Thats why I beat Ducati about the head with a rusty fish for weeks trying to get them to tell me my entry was not welcome.

If they had simply told me "Why don't you just bring it and not enter it, it's not exactly in the spirit of the competition to have dealers enter."

I would have said "No problem, I can understand that".

But what I got was "Great, bring it down, we would love to have you"

At that point I figured what the hell, I love competition, I'm going to enter it. Fully knowing I would not be allowed to win. What pisses me off the most is that I knew this would happen, and I still let myself get worked up over it


Oh well, it's exactly what I expected................I'm so sick of being right all the time
 
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Re: Our Monster Challenge S4R (section8superbike)

Jason. Turned out better then expected other then the tail (and why didn't the painter line up the tank and cowl stripes?).

It also turned out just as expected that DNA didn't let you win. They have been changing the rules from show to show to show. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that they have broken every CA contest/lottery law on the books. A little CYA going on.

My opinion is that you should not have been allowed to enter the general contest (why do you need a free S4R?) but they should have had a pro-built class for guys like you. We still want to see the bikes you guys build just not compete against them. You have to admit it's not really apples and apples when as you said you paid 11,000 for your brand new donor S4R. Aren't those 13495 plus tax and license for the rest of us? and not a tax write off either....
 
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hbliam »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Jason. Turned out better then expected other then the tail (and why didn't the painter line up the tank and cowl stripes?).

It also turned out just as expected that DNA didn't let you win. They have been changing the rules from show to show to show. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that they have broken every CA contest/lottery law on the books. A little CYA going on.

My opinion is that you should not have been allowed to enter the general contest (why do you need a free S4R?) but they should have had a pro-built class for guys like you. We still want to see the bikes you guys build just not compete against them. You have to admit it's not really apples and apples when as you said you paid 11,000 for your brand new donor S4R. Aren't those 13495 plus tax and license for the rest of us? and not a tax write off either....</TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't know how many times I need to agree, but again............I agree. We should not have been allowed to enter. But we were, and we did.
I begged them to say we couldn't just to see if they had the balz to make a stand, but instead they just turtled and tried to make me happy. Of course after I gave them an invitation to say no and they didn't I had to enter


Not to mention I remember asking the Monster list what they thought and a vast majority said I should enter the bike.

I didn't make the rules, or in this case re-make them, and re-make them. I just played. It's a moot point anyway, I didn't take anything away from anyone. The best bike won
 
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Re: Our Monster Challenge S4R (Got BallZ)

truly a Hotrod. very well done. what are you going to do with it now? (besides drag it?)
 
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I'm going to take it back apart of course
When we were putting it together I got all sorts of new ideas! It will never be done
 
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Re: Our Monster Challenge S4R (section8superbike)

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I don't know how many times I need to agree, but again............I agree. We should not have been allowed to enter. But we were, and we did.
I begged them to say we couldn't just to see if they had the balz to make a stand, but instead they just turtled and tried to make me happy. Of course after I gave them an invitation to say no and they didn't I had to enter


Not to mention I remember asking the Monster list what they thought and a vast majority said I should enter the bike.

I didn't make the rules, or in this case re-make them, and re-make them. I just played. It's a moot point anyway, I didn't take anything away from anyone. The best bike won
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I say Ducati should let the dealers enter because out of thier say 170 Nationwide dealers only a mere handfull would even know where to start to build something like that, In Fact what Ducati should do is have a dealer build off competition that would sort out the men from the boyz let me tell ya!!!
 
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Re: Our Monster Challenge S4R (section8superbike)

Hey! Where is sp2pilot? I can't belive he hasn't chimed in with:

"Why did you spend all that money on that? I could heve built something twice as cool from a wrecked SV650 and a bar of soap"
 
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Re: Our Monster Challenge S4R (Doo Cat One)

You lost because you didn't have a Speedymoto pressure plate.
Make sure you include the video when you mash the rod bearings like pennies on a train track when it's on full laughing gas.
 
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"Mash on it!"

Looks really cool.
 
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That is one MEAN looking S.O.B.!


Nice job Jason.
 
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I think Jason and any other dealer has every right to enter. What's the difference between a dealer with cheaper parts and an individual with unlimited funds? I'd say the rich person has one up on the dealer - even cheap parts add up, so unless the dealer has no amount that is too much to spend, I'd say the dealer is at a disadvantage.

Good stuff section8crew


Oh also did you dyno that beotch - not that those numbers matter, I'm more curious of how that exhaust worked out for you?
 
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Nice bike! I like the tail. It was "required" for the lengthened sss.

I am not sure about the pro vs amature in the same event. Either way, it is great seeing someone who spent a lot of time and $$ and made something worthwhile and different. Bravo.

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Not yet, very soon though.
 
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Jason's a big SLACKER when it comes to dynos.

 
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