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BMW or Kawi. Tough choice imo. I'm facing the same with the MVF4 tossed in to the mix.

BMW easy winner but Kawi have done the business and both are beyond our skillset to exploit fully.

I'd factor in deals since the Kawi is likely not selling as well because it doesn't carry the same Euro caché and they made more of them. Depending on how good a deal it is you might be able to swing the Kawi and a bicycle for the price of the BMW. That would be a major motivator for me.
 

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BMW or Kawi. Tough choice imo. I'm facing the same with the MVF4 tossed in to the mix.

BMW easy winner but Kawi have done the business and both are beyond our skillset to exploit fully.

I'd factor in deals since the Kawi is likely not selling as well because it doesn't carry the same Euro caché and they made more of them. Depending on how good a deal it is you might be able to swing the Kawi and a bicycle for the price of the BMW. That would be a major motivator for me.
From what I'm seeing buying a leftover 2011 ZX-10R with ABS versus the 2012 BMW S1000RR with all the goodies has to be nearly a $5000 difference.

Turbs could get the Kawasaki and another ZX-7R!
 

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Good job Nate!

I would get the Team Machine or the EVO.

The EVO may be a little too light for a big rider.

The Italian bikes don't do too much for me anymore since they're not steel.

A good Ti bike like a Lynskey or Moots would be good too.

Thanks man! It's crazy. Even though I lost nearly 50lbs and am about 190lbs-even on an empty stomach I'm still considered to be a heavier rider and I feel light as a feather. :eek:
 

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Was at the Motorcycle show in Minneapolis today and looking at the ZX10 next to the BMW, there is really no contest... Get the BMW. The Panigale is absolutely gorgeous, can't wait to see what this bike does in World Superstock this year!


From what I'm seeing buying a leftover 2011 ZX-10R with ABS versus the 2012 BMW S1000RR with all the goodies has to be nearly a $5000 difference.

Turbs could get the Kawasaki and another ZX-7R!
 

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Get the BMC Evo and the Red BMW, Congrts on the weight loss! I ended up losing 35 pounds and shaved 16 minutes off my 15k run time from last year.
 

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I agree. but I already got a cheap one. :D

There is nothing wrong with that bike, the stem looks a little long (140mm???) but if you need a stem that long and that bike is made like most are nowadays then none of those factory-made bikes is going to work for you...no matter how much you spend. You really need something made for you so that you can get your seat-pedal setup where you need it and keep your stem down to around 110mm or less. Most factory-make bikes are going to have a shorter top tube than seat tube. I got tired of running long stems and still feeling cramped....all my bikes I have made now have a 58c seat tube and 60cm top tube. Much better.....
 

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There is nothing wrong with that bike, the stem looks a little long (140mm???) but if you need a stem that long and that bike is made like most are nowadays then none of those factory-made bikes is going to work for you...no matter how much you spend. You really need something made for you so that you can get your seat-pedal setup where you need it and keep your stem down to around 110mm or less. Most factory-make bikes are going to have a shorter top tube than seat tube. I got tired of running long stems and still feeling cramped....all my bikes I have made now have a 58c seat tube and 60cm top tube. Much better.....
Yeah I think the stem is a tad long but not long enough to where it makes me uncomfortable. When I'm in the aero position the front wheel hub is not visible and I think that's what everyone was telling me should be the goal. I actually feel good on the my current setup. When I'm on the indoor trainer I actually pedal more efficiently by .5mph when I'm leaned over. It changes my stroke. Weird but I like it.

If I don't get a new bike I might just get a SRAM Red group or a Campy Super Record. I like the ride of Steel and I don't want to spend $3,000 on a carbon bike that's still considered to be 'Entry Level' with a mediocre groupset. I'd rather stick with Steel for now until I can get a Pro-Tour level machine and I'm around 180lbs.
 

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I've thought about this for a while so I think that instead of buying a mediocre Carbon frame I'm going to get the top of the line Campy Super Record and install it on my current ride along with some other odds and ends (Carbon stem, seat tube, and bars)



...either that or SRAM Red.
 

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One of my rides has super record 11. I am not a fan of it. The other bike I just built up uses 2011 sram red. I have not ridden it waiting for spring. Sram Red is new for 2012 and the mechanics of the front derailleur reads pretty slick on paper. SRAM Red - 2012 | SRAM
Used bikes in the northeast are plentiful.
Brand New 2011 Specialized Tarmac Project Black SL3 Carbon Road Frameset XL 58cm | eBay I will say that once you go Carbon, you will wonder why you waited so long. :)

So you think I should go SRAM RED over Super Record? I can get SRAM red for around $1,400. Can you tell me what you didn't like about the Campy?

Regarding the frame, the Allez Steel geometry works good for me. I kinda want a bike with similar geometry or a flat top tube like the felt or Cannondale. I hated the Trek geometry (Madone, 1.2). I couldn't climb for beans.

Before I drop the cash I think I'm going to get a Pro-bike fit and then compare it to the numbers on my current setup that I tuned based on feel.
 

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Super records price and shifting. I ride in the drops more than on the hoods. Shifting the campy for higher gearing does not work well for me with their design thumb shifter. More of a egro problem for me. First bike was a 99 orange allez than moved to a first year tarmac. I just built the sl3 up using sram red. Seems to be a good product and a great price. Lot of racecers praise it. Now traditional vs slope, Specialized slope seems to go along with traditional sizes. One guy riding a 60cm allez moved down to a 58 sl2. My other bike is a look 585 with standard geometry. I had litespeed siena which is considered compact geometry. I coud not fit the bike even though the stem and saddle/knee/pedal said I should be fine. Felt cramp. I like being in the drops on the tarmac and stretch out. The swing on Sram on front derailleur should be pretty trick.
 
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