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motogp.com · Preziosi: "90 percent of the bike is new"

The annual Wrooom event in Madonna di Campiglio held its traditional press conference on Ducati’s new MotoGP bike on Wednesday, wherein Ducati Corse boss Filippo Preziosi previewed the technical details of the 2012 Ducati Desmosecici that Valentino Rossi and Nicky Hayden will ride this season.
Preziosi announced that the GP12 is a complete redesign of bike tested by Rossi in Valencia, but warned that it will look deceivingly similar. It will still sport an aluminum perimetric frame and carbon swingarm, but they are new editions and the only components that actually remain the same are parts of the front (forks and steering components). He assured that the rest of the bike is completely redesigned, stating: "Ninety percent of the parts are brand new."
He continued: "We significantly changed the distribution of weight and the bike dimensions to be in the middle of the adjustment range." This suggests that a greater range of adjustments will be able to be made according to rider preference and track condition.
He also offered that with new chassis, the engine position will be able to be adjusted more, though declined to provide details regarding changes to the V angle (the angle between the two banks of the four cylinders) of the GP12 engine, which Ducati has traditionally run at a larger angle than their competitors using a V-four configuration.
Preziosi explained that it usually takes two years—from the initial design to the first race—to have a completely refined race machine "but we are accelerating the process with forced steps. It’s a courageous decision, but not impossible." He went on to say that the design process is complete and that Hayden and Rossi’s mechanics are currently at the factory in Bologna assembling the new bikes.
"The rider makes a difference," said Preziosi on the subject of how much of bike development depends on the rider. "Though we didn't contract Valentino as a rider thinking that he'd solve our problems, but to give us information, as he has won on several different bikes."
Preziosi confirmed that Franco Battani and Carlos Checa will ride the GP12 in a private test at Jerez next week, and concluded the press event stating that Rossi and Hayden will have both the bike tested in Valencia and the brand new GP12 at the Sepang Test in three weeks.
 

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Can't believe the Flossi fans weren't frothing at the mouth when he said he wants to win at Ducati and wants another contract after this year. Thought for sure everyone would be lathered up and blown away at his drive.

Was interesting when he said he just wants to be in the ballpark when the first race comes and doesn't at all expect to be at the front. Just wants to have made progress of some sort. Guess JB and him will have to take baby steps on their way back to the podium.:eek:

Also had a giggle when he said that Honda had such a large budget so they were able to come with the best package.
 

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Hmmm time will tell with the Duc. Nicky and VR are obviously all in but if you own Ducati and know that the series is hurting/changing to CRT how much money would you put into the bike? If they put the money into the bike and make it competitive there's a chance they keep their rider, if they don't give him a good package, he's going back to a Japanese bike.
 

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Until ridden in anger against the competition all this is press speak. Of course the bike is 90% new, they are all 90% new. :rolleyes:
 

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Also had a giggle when he said that Honda had such a large budget so they were able to come with the best package.
But Jami, I thought it was the rider? :cool:
 

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But Jami, I thought it was the rider? :cool:
Interesting how the tables turn, isn't it? He left HRC because he felt it was the rider, not the bike and HRC said it was the bike and not the rider. Now that the Honda is dominating him he says it's because of their budget. I guess the advantages are great as long as they are in your favor.

Honda's budget was a 2nd place effort without Stoner. I guess we are all hoping we can get back to the days when there were no budgets but those seem like lost times that aren't coming back anytime soon. Now more than ever we will see the haves vs the have nots. For the racers, you better hope you are worthy of being on a have team as there aren't many seats on that band wagon.
 

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if they want to have exciting races, they should just bring back the two strokes, and be done with it...

Hell Yeah! Make it 1000cc 2 smokes! FTW! :D


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So with the advent of the CRT teams, what if they just said 1000ccs, run what ya brung, and no fly by wire majik boxes? If they want more exciting and competitive racing, that's the cheapest answer...
 

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Saying the bike is 90 percent new is an admission that the 2011 bike was complete crap. 90 percent new means 90 percent unproven and untested.

In today's reality of reduced testing time, making wholesale changes is very risky. Probably more risky however, is not changing a bike that doesn't work for your riders.

IF the new direction is a right one for the GP12, you might see results by the second third of the season.

I would be very suprised if Rossi is a championship contender this year.
 

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I wish they'd post Checa's times on the Rossi/Hayden bike, for comparison to them.
Longshot! Same reason they didn't let WSBK/AMA run the same course @ Miller in 2008. No upper level rider wants to get embarrassed by a lower level rider:eek:.
 

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Longshot! Same reason they didn't let WSBK/AMA run the same course @ Miller in 2008. No upper level rider wants to get embarrassed by a lower level rider:eek:.
Yea...
There are a couple tracks that a WSBK will turn a faster lap than a GP bike. Will the new GP bikes be faster than the previous year? They might by the 3rd race.
 

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The 1000s will be faster than the 800s from the first practice session. Even in 2006, after the final race at Valencia the 800cc bikes were first publicly tested they were faster than the outgoing 990cc bikes.

IIRC Suzuki was about 1 second quicker on the 800cc on Monday than the 990cc was on Sunday (why they didn't race the 800 is a mystery).

The 1000cc bikes will be, IMO, just slightly faster versions of the 800. The same super-high corner speed and wheels in line approach will have to be done to get the best out of them. Love the 800 or hate it, it taught the teams how to make a motorcycle that was faster for more laps than the burly 990 bikes.

As long as they have traction control and tires that demand corner speed for lap time, we are stuck with smooth riding bikes and little in the way of smoking tire corner exit.

30 years from now 2002-2004 will be the "heyday" for four stroke GP.
 

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There are a couple tracks that a WSBK will turn a faster lap than a GP bike.
In that case, unless they are Ducati, they should field a CRT team and prove that point.:D Ducati would ask for 200cc's extra and MotoGP doesn't play those games.
 

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There are a couple tracks that a WSBK will turn a faster lap than a GP bike. Will the new GP bikes be faster than the previous year? They might by the 3rd race.
Yeah, as we all know, Checa was faster on the heavy, street-bike based WSBK 1098R with tiny 50-52MM intake stuffers inside his 63.9MM throttle bodies and extra mass penalty, then the Desmocedici MGP bikes of Rossi and Hayden, on some of the tracks where both series raced the same track.

But MGP has effectively ruled out ANY twins from the MGP/CRT series, regardless of whether they are 1200cc or 999cc, so it's a moot point. They apparently don't want the twins to have any chance at embarrassing the fours, even at the SAME displacement.
 

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Yeah, as we all know, Checa was faster on the heavy, street-bike based WSBK 1098R with tiny 50-52MM intake stuffers inside his 63.9MM throttle bodies and extra mass penalty, then the Desmocedici MGP bikes of Rossi and Hayden, on some of the tracks where both series raced the same track.

But MGP has effectively ruled out ANY twins from the MGP/CRT series, regardless of whether they are 1200cc or 999cc, so it's a moot point. They apparently don't want the twins to have any chance at embarrassing the fours, even at the SAME displacement.
ducati has had their twin deal in WSBK and had them change the rules to allow it to keep going do we have to have them filed their twin in the MGP too:confused:

i could care less in the GP duke wins it is nice to see them try to do something with a Hyper bike other then punch out he CC's:D
 
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