Checked there first, didn't have any he liked in L at the right price. Yeah new is ideal, or if used, lightly.If you want new, then you have to go to SportBikeTrackGear.com
If you want used, well we all have a set we don't need anymore
How were they? They have XXL (size 12). I am in between 11 & 12, call it 11.25. Basically many size 11 feel too tight while some 12 feel too loose.Checked there as well, found 2 pairs I sent to him that looked decent. That's where I bought my gloves, the exact ones you mentioned. They didn't have any in his size unfortunately. I bought them a while back when they were 50-60, but same ones. Excellent gloves for the price.