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I'm considering installing a HID on my 748s. Anyone have suggestions for brands? I heard Phillips has a good one.
Does the actual bulb mount the same way as a stock bulb? Also heard the ballast is the only tricky issue on installation.
 
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Re: HID lights (sm0kimOn)

Actually I'd also be interested in whatever info you can dig up. I'm thinking about doing something like this on my 900. The headlight is the only thing I'm not keen on on this bike. It's not very bright, and it's aimed pretty low IMO(is this normal for bikes?).

Since I like riding at night on back roads and such, more light further out would be nice.
 
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Re: HID lights (sm0kimOn)

You need to find a design where the ignitor is separate from the bulb socket. Then you need to Dremel-out your high beam H1 adapter plate to accept the larger/round HID bulb. This will help:

http://ducatisportingclub.com/...64409
 
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Re: HID lights (Shazaam!)

hi i have hid headlight on my 916 and on my busa, this is what i did,go on ebay and bye a hid car kit,bye a (name brand) if you want low beam h3 or high beam h1,ithink the low beam kit is better because of the polyiliptcal lens on the duc, i mounted the igniter box on the right side, and then i sold the other half of the kit to someone with a duc on e bay, cut the cost in half,

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Re: HID lights (sm0kimOn)

Philips - got one on my BMW K1200LTC - incredible. http://www.hid-online.com got it within the week. Easy installation. I only had to bend the retaining spring - no trimming of the bulb mount so that if you sell your bike, you can sell it with the stock stuff and keep the HID for your next bike.

e-mail/pm me and I'll give you the contact information for a real expert on HID at Phillips.
 
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I threw and H1 HID that I got off eBay for cheap into my Duc and I just love it. No moding of annything required and since it's only a 35W draw it's wired right off the original headlamp wires so I have nothing cut, spliced or whatnot. Back to stock in a very short period of time.

HID is great, except my high bean now looks like it's from a 6V bettle.
 
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Re: HID lights (Buckelew)

H4 400k for $500+!!!!! Am I missing something here? Did I look at the right thing?
Motowheels has some for a LOT less than that.
Mark, where did you stash the ballast? Does it need to be kept away from heat? Did you have to extend any wiring to do it?
(sorry no IM for me)
 
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Re: HID lights (sm0kimOn)

heres link to hid lighting kit for under $300
http://www.hidexpress.com with simple connecting and dont need to splice any wires
i just checked and the kit goes for $240
 
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Re: HID lights (killer bee)

Uhhhh... something gives me a bad feeling about that place.
Maybe it's:
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784 Hypersport / Supersport 99-00
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What Is In This Kit? HID (High Intensity Discharge) Xenon lights are the choice on many upscale motorcycles. In the past, riders with outdated halogen lights could only desire the performance of HID lights, now Xetronic proudly introduces the HID Xenon Conversion Kit to convert your motorcycles to HID Xenon lighting systems in an easilest and most affordable way.
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Well, what IS in the kit???
 
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Re: HID lights (killer bee)

I don't think that the hidexpress light will clear the headlight bucket in a superbike. The $299 motowheels HID set-up will obviously fit since the picture shows it installed in a superbike.

http://www.motowheels.com/ital...ction=

However, the motowheels installer doesn't know his optics. You can only convert an H1 bulb (Ducati high beam.) Otherwise the light pattern is all screwed-up because the arc isn't placed at the focal point. The superbike low beam is a H3 projector-type unit so it can't be converted.

The problem is that a H3 bulb has a transverse (left-to-right) filament that sits at the focal plane of the optics. If you move the filament out of the lens focal plane it screws-up the light pattern creating hot spots and glare to oncoming traffic. So, if you put a HID front-to-back arc in the low beam fixture, the major part of the arc that runs forward and behind the focal plane cannot be focused and the light pattern is nonsensical for good night vision and preventing glare to oncoming traffic.

The Motowheels web site shows it as a low beam conversion, but if you put it in the high beam fixture it should be alright. My ballast is installed behind the radiator and forward of the battery box on a 916. The heat there doesn't cause any problems.
 
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I would worry about converting the H1 highbeam unit on a superbike to HIDs even if you reroute the system to come on as a lowbeam. The reason I say this is because the highbeams are probably focused to reflect light in all directions, thus lighting up the road and all signs around. Granted, you might want everybody to see you so that they won't hit you; however, you'll get highbeamed much more often.

If you would like to get HIDs on your bike for cheap, go with a rebased H3 hid unit and pop it into your projector. As long as whoever did the rebasing did a fairly good job and kept the focal point at the heart of the stock filament, most of the light will be dispersed correctly. However, make sure the bulb fits and is of proper length to not hit the rear of the projector's lens.

To waive this entire problem, I would say just ditch the old projector lens, retrofit in some other type of projector lens with some D2S bulbs into your current light housings, and splice in the HID system to your stock harness.

I have the Philips HID kit in my car. The bulbs (Philips 6000k Ultinon Stage-II) are of really good quality and color and the ballasts (Philips LVQ-212) are of good build and work very well. The only problem with this unit is that the ballasts are fairly large. On a motorcycle, I would consider looking into small ballasts such as those made by Hella or Panasonic. The Hella ballast will be cheaper than the Panasonic but the Panasonic if of better quality. Both are ideally small for bikes.

And the HID unit may put less wattage strain on your system but upon startup it needs to build voltage for about the first 24 seconds of warming up in order for the bulb to stay ignited properly. Random fact, sorry. For more discussion and info about HIDs, check out http://www.hidforums.com although they got hacked a couple weeks ago and lost a little of their database.
 
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Re: HID lights (sm0kimOn)

Mr. Smokimon,

I installed the kit in my BMW K1200LT - there was plenty of room over the headlight to mount the ballast. I went with the Phillips 4000K kit because I didn't want to project a blue or purple bulb - I put a lot of miles on this bike and don't want to get a fixit - or stand out any more than just having a bright white headlight. That's why I stayed away from the 6000K bulbs.

HID's are ILLEGAL if not originally installed. I'm surprised that motowheels is selling them because a couple of guys I know quit carrying HID conversion kits because they could be nailed for selling them.

The installation - from Phillips, was unplugging the line to the headlight, plugging that into the relay, running wires from the relay to the battery, and placing things. No cutting and splicing. True plug and play.

And since Philips makes their own bulbs - and they have the money and experience to do it right....they work real well.
 
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Re: HID lights (Buckelew)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Buckelew »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
HID's are ILLEGAL if not originally installed. I'm surprised that motowheels is selling them because a couple of guys I know quit carrying HID conversion kits because they could be nailed for selling them.</TD></TR></TABLE>

laws pertaining to hid retrofits differ between cars and motorcycles. so proper hid retrofits can be legal when installed in motorcycles. obviously this exception/exemption may differ from state to state so check first.
 
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Re: HID lights (chiromikey)

Ah, so that's why the ability to switch back to stock is such a selling point on the kits I've looked at. hmmm...
 
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Re: HID lights (sm0kimOn)

I have HID on my 916, and it's great. It's so much brighter than stock. A friend of mine sells them. He has on his 600 rr, and on 2004 R1. The best part of this guy is he has life time warranty for his products. He also carries different wattage of bulbs. Each set should be under $200, I think. If anyone interested, PM me.
 
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Re: HID lights (stitchgonewild)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by stitchgonewild »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">He also carries different wattage of bulbs.</TD></TR></TABLE>

are you sure they're true hid?...cause that statement doesn't compute.
 
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Re: HID lights (chiromikey)

Sorry, I am not a HID expert, but I think they are true HID lights. If you would like, PM me. I can give you his number, and you can talk to him yourself. He's a really cool guy.
 
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Re: HID lights (stitchgonewild)

here is a pic of the kit I got for my duc 996SPS, after I filled in my right headlight cavity. I did not like the lowbeam light, so I put in a Phillips H3 6000k set up, One 100% plug and play, and the ballast mounts under the seat.. Here is a pic of the kit




Here it is after the install




Here is where the ballast mounts.


This is probably one nice upgrade i did for the bike, The cars definitely see me coming and a big improvement over the stock lighting.

The company I bought it from was

motoperformance (the website is down right now). On my first kit, the ballast went out, and they sent me a new one immediately
I had this second kit for about 7 months so far, and no problems yet..

The total install time for this was about 2 hours for a clean install, could be done in less time, if you do not want to hide all the wires..

this is a side shot to show the wires all routed behind the frame all the way up to the back of the seat



take it easy
Don





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nice work don.

i'm kinda confused by your explaination though...did you install it in the projector or reflector housing (low beam or high beam)?

also, would you mind posting a pic of the light distrubution on the roadway at night?

thanks.
 
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donnshev - nice work, especially in finding the ballast a home. you even used the supplied optional wiring harness in your install.
 
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