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My Dad rides a Hardely Abelson and has for years. He sent me an email about a helmet law appeal here is Cali. I sure hope if it passes, he isnt stupid enough to ditch his beanie brain bowl.
Here is the email:

Bikers want helmet law repealed
Posted: 4/18/2005 4:06:54 PM


Hundreds of motorcycle riders converged at on the state capitol Monday in protest of a state law requiring them to wear helmets.

More than 350 motorcycle riders called on legislators to repeal the mandatory helmet law.

Bikers say they should be the ones that decide whether or not they should wear helmets and dont want lawmakers to pass any more bills to restrict their freedom to ride on state roads and highways.

A bill to repeal the helmet law is set for a hearing in the Senate Transportation Committee on Tuesday.


Here is my response to him:

I think it may be a good thing if this passes. That way Natural Selection of the gene pool can take place. If someone is stupid enough to not want to wear a helmet, then let them kill themselves.

They should also put in a "Conditional Law" with it though. Something to the effect: "If the motorcyclist dies in an accident caused by himself against another vehicle, the other party involved should be entitled to the motorcyclists full dispersment of Life Insurance due to the trauma caused to the other motorist not at fault having to live with the feeling of having killed someone even though it wasn't their fault."

Let Natural Selection begin............



Everyone with me on this?
 
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Re: Helmet Law Email (CaliDuc)

Personally, my opinion is that NOT wearing a helmet while riding a motorcycle is like going to war without a gun!

Helmets nowdays are cool with cool colours and designs and there is a lid for every application to your style or riding and bike.

Give them the freedom to ride without lids but yeap take away some of the rights that come with wearing a lid.

In reality it is pretty much only the squid community who would be barking anyway, and they are the bastards that are uping motorcycle stats and insurance.

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Re: Helmet Law Email (Monstaman)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Monstaman »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My
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So would that be more like
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Re: Helmet Law Email (CaliDuc)

= 2.84 US cents smart bastard


That is excluding GST, customs, tranfers fees, login fees, interest, witholding tax, penalties, acruing interest, monthly account fees, admin fees, opinion fees, income tax, fringe benefit tax, death tax and currency exchange fess...apart from that shes all as is.

So that prolly leaves me in debt by maybe 10 grand now
 
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Re: Helmet Law Email (Monstaman)

Does this mean you now can't afford a helmet and will have to be a part of the above mentioned?
 
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Re: Helmet Law Email (CaliDuc)

I would like to see Illinois pass a helmet law. Way to many head injuries leading to death.
 
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Re: Helmet Law Email (J.U.996SPS)

Well...the freedom of riding with no helmet is impossible to quantify, as is the pain and suffering of a cage driver who kills a biker. What is possible to quantify is the taxpayer money spent to keep someone in a vegitative state for years on end. And if its not taxpayer money, its insurance money, leading to higher insurance rates for us all. I used to think natural selection would be the best route, but I've since grown up a bit. If there is to be no helmet law, then we should repeal all seatbelt laws, safety standards on cage manufacturers, etc. Hell, take away railroad crossing gates, cause if some dumbass wants to try to make it....
 
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Re: Helmet Law Email (BLZ2DWL)

My question is how much do the little scraps of fiberglass that the average Harley rider wears actually protect the noodle? I'm sure it makes a difference for incidental contact or a light scrape, but how much protection do you get if, say, you bang your forehead/face on the ground. In my opinion, unless you are wearing a full-face helmet or a substantial non-full helmet, you might as well be wearing nothing. I've seen plenty of riders in the ER that have pretty gnarly facial injuries from low-speed crashes because they weren't wearing a full helmet.

So does anyone have any stats on the difference between full-face helmets and the beanie babies out there? There are plenty of stats on the cost difference between injuries of riders wearing helmets and those that don't, but I've never seen one distinguish between types of helmets. Just curious.

When I first moved down here a while back, they still had no helmet law. I tried it one time to see what all the fuss was about (I'd never lived anywhere without a helmet law). One large insect smacking me in the cheek at 60 mph is all it took to convince me to never do it again. That, and the endless stream of tears pouring down my face from all the wind in my eyes blinding me to anything in my path was pretty cool too.
 
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Re: Helmet Law Email (blueSS)

I've read bits of the Hurt Report from the early 80s I believe, and there was some very interesting findings about actual accidents and helmets. One thing I remember is about touring riders with broken necks. Seems an open face helmet snags a mirror fairly easily and snaps a neck on the way by if they hit something and were going over the bars. The other item I recall is the importance of the facial support in a full face helmet. On impact without a full face helmet you can actually break your lower face (just under the eye sockets) away from the rest of your face. There is a medical term for this, but not only am I not a doctor, I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn Express. It's a top shelf full face helmet for me only, been that way for 28 years on the street.
 
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Re: Helmet Law Email (Phil 998)

Yeah, those are nasty, I think they are called Le Fort fractures. There are a couple of different types depending on where the fracture is, but I can't remember which is which. I remember seeing them in an ENT lecture, but I've never seen one in person, I imagine they'd be horrific if they were open.

My dad wears an open face helmet on his cruiser. I've been bugging him for years to wear a full-face helmet, but he just refuses to. He says it interferes with his vision and is uncomfortable. I think it's because he has a freakishly oblong melon. Who knows?
 
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Re: Helmet Law Email (CaliDuc)

I know it's been said before, but...if you don't want to wear one, that's fine with me. Just sign this waiver guaranteeing that none of my tax money, insurance money, or any of my money at all is spent on keeping your stupid brain dead ass alive, your hospital and funeral costs, anybody else's insurance costs, etc.

After that, you can ride wearing a baseball cap, a dozen 10-penny nails taped to your bare chest and a railroad spike shoved up your ass for all I care.
 
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Re: Helmet Law Email (blueSS)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blueSS »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah, those are nasty, I think they are called Le Fort fractures. There are a couple of different types depending on where the fracture is, but I can't remember which is which. I remember seeing them in an ENT lecture, but I've never seen one in person, I imagine they'd be horrific if they were open.

My dad wears an open face helmet on his cruiser. I've been bugging him for years to wear a full-face helmet, but he just refuses to. He says it interferes with his vision and is uncomfortable. I think it's because he has a freakishly oblong melon. Who knows? </TD></TR></TABLE>

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Yes you are right! Le Forte 1, Le Forte 2 and Le Forte 3 which is when there is a complete seperation all the way around the face basically no structural support of the face.I'd try to explain it but I'd need a diagram of the face to show the three types. We responded on one years ago! Guy survived but damn that had to hurt.


The stories and I could tell you all.
 
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Re: Helmet Law Email (Sharp 999S)

Many years ago (18 years), a lady went to pass us on a two lane highway. We noticed a car coming in the opposite direction and couldn't believe she was trying to pass. We slowed and moved onto the shoulder to try and make room, as impact looked imminent. I will never forget it. Hearing the crunch of both vehicles hitting head-on at 70 mph. It wasn't until the dust settled and we were out of our car before we noticed that she hit a CHP vehicle head-on. Upon arriving at the CHP vehicle, the officer driving was missing his face from mid jaw down. I will never forget what it looked like. His passenger/partner was still coherent and trying to tell us what to do to save his partner until EMS arrived. When EMS/Fire arrived, they used the jaws of life to pry him (The CHP driver) from the vehicle. As soon as the steering wheel was departed from his abdomen he died. It was a life changing experience. The passenger (other chp officer) was telling us everything to do the whole time while he was in shock. They were both heroes IMHO.

We went to court only to find out that the driver of the car that passed us was drunk. She was driving with 5 others in her car. She received a broken leg and that was it. She got manslaughter with 6 years. (Got out after 2 1/2 years served) I will never forget seeing that officers face before he died. It was going through my mind the whole time while I was talking to his wife and his two little daughters.

Okay flashback done. I know first hand what facial removal looks like. Why The f*ck would someone NOT want a full face helmet is beyond me.
 
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Re: Helmet Law Email (CaliDuc)

When I got in my accident a few years ago (driver ran a red light), biggest dent in my Arai was a deep gouge in the chin area of my helmet. I am fully convinced that, had I not had it, I would now have no jaw (okay, maybe my tibia would be there instead).

I always wear a helmet so wouldn't effect me. I just worry about the stewpid people that can effect my life. Particulary when my daughter gets older and gets on a bike with some zit faced stunter (god forbid) who does not have a spare helmet - hopefully the cops will pull them over and get all Rodney King on the squid for endangering her life.

It still amazes me how young'uns can go out and get a gixxer 'thou for their first bike. With holes like that in our system, a few band aid laws can also help protect some kids from themselves.
 
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Re: Helmet Law Email (Kennedy)

PA dropped its helmet law about 2 years ago. I still think about it every time I drive back in from Ohio on I-90 (idiots used to stop and put their helmets in the bushes at the border). Amazing.
 
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Re: Helmet Law Email (Rooster)

No offence but Darwin had his sh*t together.
 
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rooster »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">(idiots used to stop and put their helmets in the bushes at the border). Amazing.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Whooops......I thought they were road side urinals, sorry.
 
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Re: Helmet Law Email (Phil 998)

I used to see this Harley guy that wouldn't wear his dome cap helmet on his head; he'd just wear it around his neck; an act of civil disobedience or something. I guess it was his Walden Pond.
A significant memory in my mind is when I was smacked at an intersection and my head hit the pavement hard enough to cause a hairline crack originating at my temple and running vertically along that axis; had I not been wearing a helmet, that fracture would have been fatal.
I've never understood the protest to helmet laws, even if CA dropped ours, I'd still wear a full face Arai.
I don't understand the contest of wits (or lack thereof here); high moving vehicle, hard concrete and soft tissue? Where's the argument?
Every time I see a Heavy & Dangerous rider with one of those stupid skull caps I shudder at what can become of their face should they crash, along with the rest of their body, since they seem to wear only tank tops, jeans and boots.
The same thought applies to stunner schmucks that ride around in shorts, flip-flops and no shirt.
Whatever ... but it's going to suck when you crash.
 
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Re: Helmet Law Email (hubert)

I like harleys'!~!!! I have two Buells', a '99 X1 and '05 XB12r.Sold my old Sportster Harley-Davidson though.My Buells' are SUPERIOR to AIR cooled 2 valve Ducs. Back to the thread though,I/WE wear full face helmets.We believe in them. The Beanies MOST Harley riders wear are USELESS.I,however,ENJOY the occasionall carefull short ride WITHOUT a helmet,that's my LAWFULL choice!This thread sounds like you guys' feel anyone who chooses to NOT wear a helmet SHOULD be DEAD.AND THAT is WRONG!!! Who smokes' here...you should be dead too?How about alcohol?What else??
 
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Re: Helmet Law Email (ducxl)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ducxl »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How about alcohol?</TD></TR></TABLE>

How bout it!
 
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