FBF 1026 or BCM 1036??

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Discussion Starter · Apr 16, 2005

Hey guys i was wondering which big bore kit for the 996 is better, the FBF 1026 or the BCM 1036??
How do they compare against each other? and the hp differences between them?
thanks

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Discussion Starter · #2 · Apr 16, 2005

fbf 1026 is 900/st2 68mm stroke crank in a std 98mm bore 996.

bcm 1036 is a 2mm overbore 996 (100mm).

or, you could fit the bcm 100mm pistons and a 68mm crank with some 1mm shoter rods or thicker base gaskets and get 1068cc.

or fit the bcm 100mm pistons with a 1000 crank and some shorter rods and get 1123.

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Discussion Starter · #3 · Apr 16, 2005

Some BCM samples:

"Street" 1036 (Sil 45/54; big bore kit; NO headwork, single injector) 131 rwhp 81.3 ft. lbs. torque from 7000-8000. This bike has dyno history from stock (109/70), slipons (112/70), 45/54 (118/74) and finally in this last version. Easy to get to 130 rwhp on a 996 and still have it be a great reliable streetbike that idles and behaves around town.

"Hotrod Street" 1036 (Sil 54 mm full; big bore kit, SPS cams, big valves, headwork, single injector) 139 rwhp and 87.1 ft. lbs torque from 6500-8000. This bike is actually ridden more at track days than on the street.

"Stroker Street" 1026 (Pistal HC 98 mm, Carillo rods, Sil 45/54, big valves, headwork, single injector) 137.5 rwhp and 84.4 ft. lbs torque from 7500-8250.

Sorry, we don't quote pricing on-line.

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Discussion Starter · #4 · Apr 17, 2005

Re: (brad black)

Hey Brad,
Are those even possible? I'm not denying that they can't be true just asking if someone has actually done one of those options you mentioned??
and how badly do they cut down the reliabilty of the bike?

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Discussion Starter · #5 · Apr 17, 2005

Re: (bcmducati)

bcm,
Not trying to put down your product at all but i have a question for you. How come the fbf 1026 kit claims 155 rwhp and your 1036 kit is approx 135 rwhp?
thanks

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Discussion Starter · #6 · Apr 17, 2005

Re: (GianPaolo)

they're all versions of the same thing really, especailly the late stuff. i'd expect it to work without issue. i haven't had an 1000 apart yet, but can't see any reason why it wouldn't. i'd love to talk an s4r owner into it.

i'm sure bruce has had a 1000 apart.

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Discussion Starter · #7 · Apr 17, 2005

Re: (GianPaolo)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GianPaolo »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">bcm,
Not trying to put down your product at all but i have a question for you. How come the fbf 1026 kit claims 155 rwhp and your 1036 kit is approx 135 rwhp?
thanks</TD></TR></TABLE>

Because Ferrachi is fill of doodie and BCM are straight shooters.

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Discussion Starter · #8 · Apr 17, 2005

Re: (section8superbike)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by section8superbike »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Because Ferrachi is fill of doodie and BCM are straight shooters.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Good people at BCM.

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Discussion Starter · #9 · Apr 18, 2005

Re: (V-Twin Power)

V-Twin Power Good people at BCM.[/QUOTE said:

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Discussion Starter · #10 · Apr 18, 2005

Re: (section8superbike)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by section8superbike »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Because Ferrachi is fill of doodie and BCM are straight shooters.</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's exactly what I was gonna say but was afraid to, heh. I've yet to have a FBF bike on my dyno that made more than about 80% of what they claimed, let's put it that way.

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Discussion Starter · #11 · Apr 18, 2005

Re: FBF 1026 or BCM 1036?? (GianPaolo)

Go with BCM.

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Discussion Starter · #12 · Apr 18, 2005

BCM all the way, go to the people who know

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Discussion Starter · #13 · Apr 18, 2005

Re: (ToyMonster)

Boy oh boy how things have changed in the Ducati world. Ten years ago FBF was god. Then again maybe it was Polen and Corser that made FBF.

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Discussion Starter · #14 · Apr 18, 2005

ASK FBF for a dyno sheet. When I asked about one for a 984 they FBF said: "uhh uhh well uhh I don't think we have any but, it should make about 130hp"
me:"What about torq and what RPM?"
FBF:"well it should make 60ft torq but I don't know where in the rpm range."
me:"thank you very much I'll call someone else."

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Discussion Starter · #15 · Apr 18, 2005

Re: FBF 1026 or BCM 1036?? (GianPaolo)

FBF has some good stuff and I've had no problems with them but BCM is the best shop I've ever delt with and I would go with BCM.

I think BCM goes with rear wheel HP and FBF gose with crank HP.

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Discussion Starter · #16 · Apr 18, 2005

We interpreted the original question to be regarding comparisons of kits and results and not a comparison of FBF to BCM as "shops". We have a very high regard for the technical abilities of Eraldo and the gang at FBF. The only way to learn and improve is to look at what other good shops are doing. And, many of the 1036 "kits" we sell are to other shops or to individuals who do the installation themselves. It has been very important to us that the products we sell will work well regardless of whether the kit is installed here in NH or by an individual in a garage in Glendale, AZ (hi, Art!). The Pistal pistons included in our 1036 kits are very high quality and very reliable for street use.

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Discussion Starter · #17 · Apr 18, 2005

Re: (bcmducati)

Bruce, I just found out that I'll be in Boston for the month of May. I've been wanting to come up and meet you and Suzie....so next month I will!

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Discussion Starter · #18 · Apr 18, 2005

ferracci's dyno and bcm's dyno read differently, too. not saying one's better or worse than the other, but their peak hp #'s aren't directly comparable.

i was following a bcm-built 1036 for a few laps while at barber last month. i didn't think my bike was slow in a straight line, but it sure felt that way compared to the 1036.

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Discussion Starter · #19 · Apr 18, 2005

Re: (froggert)

I only read froggert’s post so… eat me

All Dyno's are subjective. What one reads really can't be compared against another. In reality, their only good when you read your bike back to back with mods in-between. Even the air temperature and humidity can change things.

And YES, I know that's supposed to be compensated for... but...

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Discussion Starter · #20 · Apr 19, 2005

Re: FBF 1026 or BCM 1036?? (GianPaolo)

I have a BCM kit 1036 built by MBP. Stock cams and valves, very mild head work. As stated actual numbers are irrelevant due to so many variables, the curves are very smooth. The bike is fast with the bulk of the power from about 7000 to 9500 rpm, very usable. Since people are interested in the numbers, here they are: on the eddy current dyno that the bike was tuned on it read about 120 rear wheel horse power at about 9700 rpm and max torque 73 at 7200 rpm. These are real numbers. I believe they are about 15% below what a dynojet dyno would read all things being equal. Next we will add full MBP red heads, cams, large valves, and 54mm throttle bodies. It will be interesting.

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