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Discussion Starter · #1 ·
http://www.superbikeplanet.com...7.htm

Duhamel, criticizing manufacturers that didn't field a Daytona 200 entry this year said this: "If you feel you can't beat somebody, if you have that mentality, then don't go racing. Don't sit on the fence and throw rocks at the people racing the class and the track you yourself requested. You've got to face up to challenges."

...and Honda's supersport entry was where exactly?
 
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Re: Duhamel sounds off (banda)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by banda »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

...and Honda's supersport entry was where exactly?</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">People that don't like me—and there are a lot of people, I'm sure, out there that don't like me—will use any kind of situation exactly like Daytona, to attack myself, or attack Honda, and try to make it look like it was all set up by us. The real fact is this: Mat Mladin helped to set in motion everything that happened at Daytona. He's the leading cause why the track was changed and the Daytona 200 was changed from Superbike to 600sb</TD></TR></TABLE>
 
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Re: Duhamel sounds off (banda)

I really like Miguel and can not figure out why he and Mat are constantly stabbing each other in the back. Does anyone know the root of this problem? How long has it been?
 
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Re: Duhamel sounds off (Eddie)

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My point: Duhamel paints the other manufacturers as idle bystanders for not joining the FX600 fray... but from another perspective, you could say that Honda was the manufacturer that left the ultra-competitive supersport class.

By going against the flow all they've won in the Daytona 200 was a meaningless marketing slogan. It's not their fault, but it's not the other manufacturers' fault either.

As a matter of fact, the AMA has made road racing meaningless for the manufacturers. Each manufacturer gets its own championship title that the consumers don't understand. Whoo hoo.
 
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Discussion Starter · #7 ·
Re: Duhamel sounds off (banda)

All I know is Daytona used to be something... Now, it's nothing. And that sucks.
 
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Re: Duhamel sounds off (banda)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by banda »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Each manufacturer gets its own championship title that the consumers don't understand. Whoo hoo.
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Ain't that the truth.
 
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Discussion Starter · #9 ·
Re: Duhamel sounds off (Baasinator)

the writing is on the wall. The premier class in the AMA and BSB will eventually be under 700cc's The track owners as well as the Manufacturers have conceded that the current Superbikes are "too much" for the tracks as a safety standpoint. It is this or they will bring back the restrictors or add a shit load of weight to the bikes.

WSB will probably follow suit as the Manufacturers will be forced to spend the lions share of the R&D funding towards the middleweights.

This scenario has unfolded before and it always goes this way.

Suzuki has taken notice and the 06 600 will be a ground up FX bike. they will come in with full factory support by 2007. Kawasaki has announced the same plan.
 
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Re: Duhamel sounds off (banda)

The root of the problem is that the CBR600rr was way too heavy and uncompetitive in AMA Supersport trim. Honda makes way too much money off marketing 600cc wins to just withdraw from AMA 600cc racing, like Kawasaki and Yamaha have done in the past when their 600s were uncompetitive.
So Honda decided to save face by withdrawing from Supersport, and told the AMA to create the FX 600 class for them. It's the same reason that Honda doesn't run Superstock, the bike is a pig.

Honda is the reason why the AMA has 4 very similar classes now. Everyone knows that consolidating the fields in 600cc and 1000cc would be GREAT for the fans and the sport. I'm sure that Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawasaki would be fine with running 1000s with a Superstock-spec rules package. Ducati would probably even go for it, but Honda. No way. So it will never happen.


...and Honda's supersport entry was where exactly?
 
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Re: Duhamel sounds off (999)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 999 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The root of the problem is that the CBR600rr was way too heavy and uncompetitive in AMA Supersport trim. Honda makes way too much money off marketing 600cc wins to just withdraw from AMA 600cc racing, like Kawasaki and Yamaha have done in the past when their 600s were uncompetitive.
So Honda decided to save face by withdrawing from Supersport, and told the AMA to create the FX 600 class for them. It's the same reason that Honda doesn't run Superstock, the bike is a pig.

Honda is the reason why the AMA has 4 very similar classes now. Everyone knows that consolidating the fields in 600cc and 1000cc would be GREAT for the fans and the sport. I'm sure that Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawasaki would be fine with running 1000s with a Superstock-spec rules package. Ducati would probably even go for it, but Honda. No way. So it will never happen.


...and Honda's supersport entry was where exactly?
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Actually Graves Motorsports started the petition to AMA pro racing to change the FX class to a 600cc from the 1000cc formula it was. Graves had been quite competitive in th FX class in the past with their R7/R1 hybrid and the AMA basically pulled their teeth by outlawing the bike. When M4 Suzuki started building GSXR's and Attack Kawi started tooling up their ZX10 Graves realized that the FX class was going to be a tougher class then they had envisioned. Thus the request to change the rules. Honda Sat back and silently reveled in the idea. Honda did get on board and actively support the petition however it was not HRC that wrote the request. They just benefited the most from it.

The biggest losers from the rule change was Attack Kawasaki. If they could have fielded the ZX10 that they are now fielding in the Superbike class as a FX bike it would probably been undefeated as long as it stayed together.

AMA pro Racing stated publicly that the FX bikes as 1000cc's where too similar to the current Superbikes and would be required to exclude the factory Teams from competing in both classes. This was the meat of the rule change. By excluding the FX bikes to compete in two classes at the same meet was supposed to benefit the privateer. When the rules change came the rules originally AMA pro racing stated that any team could not field the same bike in both categories, (in this case 600 supersport ---FX) with the fields being so pathetic they have suspended this rule hoping to see a larger privateer and possible factory involvement.
 
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Discussion Starter · #12 ·
Re: Duhamel sounds off (sp2pilot)

Interesting! Richard Stanboli could petition the AMA from now til Hell freezes over and they wouldn't change sh!t. All Honda probably had to do was buy Ron Barrick a California Roll.
 
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Re: Duhamel sounds off (sp2pilot)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sp2pilot »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actually Graves Motorsports started the petition to AMA pro racing to change the FX class to a 600cc from the 1000cc formula it was. Graves had been quite competitive in th FX class in the past with their R7/R1 hybrid and the AMA basically pulled their teeth by outlawing the bike. When M4 Suzuki started building GSXR's and Attack Kawi started tooling up their ZX10 Graves realized that the FX class was going to be a tougher class then they had envisioned. Thus the request to change the rules. Honda Sat back and silently reveled in the idea. Honda did get on board and actively support the petition however it was not HRC that wrote the request. They just benefited the most from it.

The biggest losers from the rule change was Attack Kawasaki. If they could have fielded the ZX10 that they are now fielding in the Superbike class as a FX bike it would probably been undefeated as long as it stayed together.

AMA pro Racing stated publicly that the FX bikes as 1000cc's where too similar to the current Superbikes and would be required to exclude the factory Teams from competing in both classes. This was the meat of the rule change. By excluding the FX bikes to compete in two classes at the same meet was supposed to benefit the privateer. When the rules change came the rules originally AMA pro racing stated that any team could not field the same bike in both categories, (in this case 600 supersport ---FX) with the fields being so pathetic they have suspended this rule hoping to see a larger privateer and possible factory involvement.
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This is mostly true.

Remember that the FX class itself was really FUSA. It was implemented to steal riders from the FUSA series.

At the same time, those teams racing in AMA Superteams(3 Hour End) could slightly revise their existing packages and go racing.

What I find odd, is that Graves has always had the trickest R6 I have ever seen @ WSMC races. And still they dont race that bike in FX.


IMO, factory teams should be banned from all Supersport/ Superstock type classes. I have seen 100 GSX-R connecting rods being weighed to find a balanced set- same with pistons, and valves. How can a non factory bike be competetive against that?
 
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