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Mercy... it's about time they get rid of the restrictions on the V2...
because the sooner it hits the wall the sooner Ducati starts racing
the V4... and that might mean more V4s on the dealers floor... just
think of all riders that have never experienced a true race bred V4
before... they are noticeable different... just ask Chris Ulrich...

WSBK: Ducatis Get Weight Break Starting At Miller

Quote Superbike Planet

Twin-cylinder machines to undergo weight reduction from the next SBK
round at Miller Motorsports Park. For the first time in the two and a
half years since the regulation was introduced, there will be a change
in the new minimum weights applied to the bikes competing in the FIM
Superbike World Championship.


Following the official results of Race 2 held at Kyalami (South
Africa), the FIM SBK Technical Director has informed that the average
value of the event averages over the first six events of the 2010 SBK
championship favours the 1000cc 4-cylinder motorcycles by more than 5
points (see the attached document issued by the official time
keeping).

As a result, from the next SBK event at Miller Motorsports Park (USA)
on 29-30-31 May, the new minimum weight for 1200cc 2-cylinder
motorcycles is decreased to 165 Kg, a reduction of 3 Kg as stipulated
in Article 2.4.4.2 of the FIM rulebook.

The minimum weight for 1000cc 4-cylinder motorcycles will remain
unchanged (162 Kg).
 

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Kinda reminds me of Buell wining to AMA about what we need to be competitive.....anything to keep the Duc up front.
 

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I agree but like Ferrari is to F1 Ducati is to WorldSBK. Last year during the threat of a break away series all of the GP's told Bernie and Formula 1 management that no Ferrari means no GP. The euro sites are saying Ducati has the same pull. To me they should remove the 50MM air restrictors.
 

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Ducati will continue to have the least peak hp on the grid. Losing 3 kg would do little for the bikes.
 

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Ducati has hit an engineering ceiling with the current design, can't make the stroke longer, or ya loose revs, can't make the bore bigger, the flame front can't keep up (etc) They are at the end of the road HP wise.......

Semper Fi! :rockon

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Ducati has hit an engineering ceiling with the current design, can't make the stroke longer, or ya loose revs, can't make the bore bigger, the flame front can't keep up (etc) They are at the end of the road HP wise.......
There you go Larry, the stage is set.... say it!
 

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The japanese gave up on the V4 design years ago because it simply wasn't economical or smart. At least the V2 made it a bit longer down the road.
 

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Big deal , 6.6 pounds , that's a nice spaghetti/meatball dinner . Remove the restrictors and watch those twins fly . Let them breathe gatdammit .
 

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Ducati has hit an engineering ceiling with the current design, can't make the stroke longer, or ya loose revs, can't make the bore bigger, the flame front can't keep up (etc) They are at the end of the road HP wise.......

Semper Fi! :rockon

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True... this 2007 article highlights the problem of a Big Bore V2...





 

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Big deal , 6.6 pounds , that's a nice spaghetti/meatball dinner . Remove the restrictors and watch those twins fly . Let them breathe gatdammit .
Alternatively, they could slow down the rest of the field by forcing them to ride V4s, lol
 

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Big deal , 6.6 pounds , that's a nice spaghetti/meatball dinner . Remove the restrictors and watch those twins fly . Let them breathe gatdammit .
I Agree... removing the restrictors ends the debate why the V2 can not match
the level of HP of the 4 cylinder competition...
 

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Stop agreeing with me Larry or I'll have to consider you sane ! The twins are competitive even now thank you very much ; the riders and setup have been lacking . Without restriction they'll be storming as long as the riders do their job . Haga needs to retire .
 

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The japanese gave up on the V4 design years ago because it simply wasn't economical or smart. At least the V2 made it a bit longer down the road.
True a V4 is not as economical as a I4 but Aprilia has proven that a
V4 could be just as economical as a race bred V2... the universal
consensus among prospective buyers think it is smarter to own a V4
than V2... after all the V4 combines the V2 and the I4 in a totally
different feel on the seat of your pants...

Quote Jeremy Toye and Chris Ulrich...

"The motor is bad-ass. It's super bad-ass," said Toye. "I didn't know
it was a V4. I thought it was a VTwin, and when you're riding it you
think it's an Inline Four. You can't tell what it is from riding it.
It doesn't have any of the characteristics of either of those motors. It
doesn't have the characteristics that limit an Inline Four, and it
doesn't have the characteristics that limit a V-Twill. If you could
pull the happy medium from both of those, that's what this thing's
got."



"The advantages of the V4 must be the firing order and the power
characteristics, because you can feel it on the bike," said Ulrich.
"The power delivery on the bike was very smooth, very linear. The
spread of power was really generous throughout the range. You could
start your drive from as low as 5000 rpm and it would pull all the way
to redline. It was so smooth, actually, that I would be in the
rev-limiter before I knew it. The way that thing built power and
delivered it was actually really impressive. There's a lot of
advantages to the V4, I think. And the fuel injection was spot-on,
which for a new model is impressive." While the V4 engine was
unanimously popular, the ergonomic fit of the bike did not suit
everyone and the handling from its chassis was not quite as polished
as its frame and swingarm.
 

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The japanese gave up on the V4 design years ago because it simply wasn't economical or smart. At least the V2 made it a bit longer down the road.
If the entire FIM was on your team... you'd make it down the road a little further also...
Times up though. And the Road is coming to an end.

I'd like to mention Tardozzi being gone, its more than just the riders...
 
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