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Shift lever bent right over, so they parked it before getting some really good times in - that guy can ride!
 
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Re: Cycle World 600 shootout? (DougPA)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DougPA »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What happened to the 749R?
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Even a pretty hard core Duc guy like me thought the exact same thing. At three times the price and to have your ass handed to you on a platter............well
 
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Re: (Old Baldy)

They said it in the article: Geared too tall.
 
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Re: (DesmoBob)

They also said it ran outta steam on the high end... wouldnt that make the problem lots worse?
 
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Re: (Shibbydevil)

Everyone has to come to the realization that the new bread of 600cc bikes run lap times just about as fast as even the liter bikes. The 749R has it's work cut out for it.

 
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Wait until you see the Cycle News comparison !! 749R kicks some metric/brit as* !!
A properly set up Ducati in a test against the 600cc inlines
who never come to a fight with a poorly set up motorcycle !

 
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Re: Cycle World 600 shootout? (DougPA)

Check this out.

In the most recent edition of Cycle World (I think it was Cycle World), a bone stock R6 (except for a different rear shock dog bone and fork clamps which lowered the forks...and a different front sprocket) ran a 9.93 1/4 mile time at 135+ mph...with a pro drag racer on board.

A bone stock R6 with $200 in parts. 9.93...
 
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Re: Cycle World 600 shootout? (998R)

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A bone stock R6 with $200 in parts. 9.93...
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And how many 16 year old kids with money go out and get "a little 600" to learn how to ride? It's amazing how far motorcycles have come.
 
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Re: Cycle World 600 shootout? (DanST4)

In the Cycle News article, the 749r was the fastest bike on the track. The test was done at the Streets of Willow (same track as Cycle World). The 749r would have won the whole shootout (it tied with the Honda, 2 points behind the R6) if it was more comfortable on the street. I don't think many people buy 749r worry about comfort too much.

How could Cycle World time the 749r at 4 seconds slower than the the R6 and Cycle News, on the same track had the 749r more than .3 faster than the R6.
 
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Re: Cycle World 600 shootout? (trussdude)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by trussdude »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How could Cycle World time the 749r at 4 seconds slower than the the R6 and Cycle News, on the same track had the 749r more than .3 faster than the R6.
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$$$$$$$$$$$$$
 
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Re: Cycle World 600 shootout? (trussdude)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by trussdude »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">In the Cycle News article, the 749r was the fastest bike on the track. The test was done at the Streets of Willow (same track as Cycle World). The 749r would have won the whole shootout (it tied with the Honda, 2 points behind the R6) if it was more comfortable on the street. I don't think many people buy 749r worry about comfort too much.

How could Cycle World time the 749r at 4 seconds slower than the the R6 and Cycle News, on the same track had the 749r more than .3 faster than the R6.
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different riders ?!
 
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If I remember correctly the 749 got its ass kicked last year too. As we all know the Ducati line is way overpriced and undeerachivers compared to the Japanese offerrings. Why would Cycle World test a 749R against 600cc bikes ? The displacement is different and then the price disparity of $8500 vs $22000. Like testing a Miata against a Boxster. Ridculous and embarassing for Ducati, they should have never given Cycle World a test bike.
The reality is that the Japanese 600s, 1000s, etc are some of the finest performing bikes that money can buy, they are extremely reliable, and sold at a fantastic price. Thank the Japanese for advance the state of the art. I didn't buy two Ducatis for the reason that thry went around race tracks faster or slower than the competition. I bought them for the same reason that Harley guys buy their bikes, IT DID SOMETHING FOR ME THAT THE OTHERS DIDN'T.
 
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If "Bang for the Buck" were the ONLY important factor in buying a motorcycle, then anyone who buys anything but a GSXR1000 would be stupid.

Fortunately, there are many other good reasons to pick one bike over another. Like owning a machine that's different than the one every teenager at the local high school squids around on...
 
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Re: (AZ Scott)

Forget Cycle World

Read Road Racing World

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They still compare the 749 to the 600's because they are in the same class for racing. Just as they used to compare the 916-996's to the Japanese 750's. The rules changes now put 1000cc twins in the same class as 1000cc 4 cyl bikes. Not really fair for Ducati but they had their turn when the Japs were only running 750s. It's similar to motocross where 450 four strokes are in the 250 two stroke class. Aside from that, I agree, it really is like comparing apples to oranges.
 
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You also have to take in account which manufacture has the most advertisements in that particular magazine.0)
I prefer the British mags as they seem to be less biases
 
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Excerpt from the editors notes on testing requirements;

Due to the thousands of e-mail from the loyal Ducati owners demanding an equal comparison regarding the Japanese 600 class bikes and the 23 thousand dollar Ducat 749 it was determined that a sack of one dollar bills totaling the nearly $12,000 difference in cost shall be strapped to the tail of every Japanese 600 during the test.

Once the "Equalizer" was installed the lap times plummeted thus propelling the Ducati back in front where it so deservingly belongs.

The test was canceled however when one of the test riders crashed in front of the pits distributing the contents of the "equalizer"in front of the pit wall. The spectators consisting mostly of young zit-faced teenagers there to see the latest Japanese bikes swarmed the track thus ending the session.
 
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I still get amused at the response you get from the majority of people when you tell them you own a Ducati. I paid $8000 OTD for my SS and it's by no means awesome, BUT, it's a Duc and that's why I bought it. But it's funny the response from even other sport bike riders when they see it. The reputation of the bike is there. Wether or not I can back it up is another story (with the bikes out there these days) but still, the reputation alone takes care of most of it. I personally think it's pretty cool.
 
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by galaxy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I still get amused at the response you get from the majority of people when you tell them you own a Ducati. I paid $8000 OTD for my SS and it's by no means awesome, BUT, it's a Duc and that's why I bought it. But it's funny the response from even other sport bike riders when they see it. The reputation of the bike is there. Wether or not I can back it up is another story (with the bikes out there these days) but still, the reputation alone takes care of most of it. I personally think it's pretty cool.</TD></TR></TABLE>

No offense, but I think the only riders who are going to be intimidated by the ducati badge are the squids who don't know jack-chit about sportbikes. Any real sportbike enthusiast is going to be abreast of what's going on in the industry as far as power and performance go. These guys may like the design or the uniqueness of a Duc, but they're not going to be intimidated by the power discrepancy, because that power discrepancy is on our end these days.
 
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