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Hey Everyone. Here is is a pic of a clutch holding tool that Judge made for me. It is good for all Ducati dry clutches. Mine worked flawlessly. Shoot 'ol Judge a e-mail at [email protected] if you'd like him to make you one. I sent him a few clutch steels and he did the rest. The quality is very, very good and the price can't be beat. Thanks Judge.

 
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Re: Clutch Holding Tool (Ducaholic)

looks a might bit better than the motion pro clutch holding tool i have.

this one looks more like the factory ducati special tool. nice work judge.

what is the price?

ciao,
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Re: Clutch Holding Tool (mh900e0974)

you supply the steels....60 bucks.
 
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Re: Clutch Holding Tool (Judge)

not to take anything away from judge's work, but phil 998's tool for $15 more is much blinger and more useful. phil's tool holds the clutch basket and the hub.
 
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if I had the friction discs it could have done both, but was asked to make it this way. same price, just supply the fibers and steels and it will hold both.
 
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Re: Clutch Holding Tool (Ducaholic)

It's exactly what I did. An old screwdriver and an old friction disc and you're set. Oh, and a welder too.
 
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Re: Clutch Holding Tool (slowpoke)

Thanks Slowpoke! I have ten more tools made and ready to ship right now. They are $70 to Speedzilla guys with $7 shipping. For those wondering, here is what they look like. My clutch tool is aluminum and for holding the aluminum hub it tends to be easier on them. I also have some offset that places the holding plates in line with the nut.


 
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Re: Clutch Holding Tool (Phil 998)

That is a beautiful tool! Can that be mounted somewhere on my 748???
Nice work, Phil.

I bought one on Ebay for $45 shipped, but the quality is not nearly as nice as yours. The price you ask is very reasonable too. You should sell them on Ebay once you get some inventory built up- I'm sure they would do well there.
 
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way to thread crap....thanks. I could see if someone asked to see it, but they did not. Also, care to explain to me how an aluminum tool is better for it when the steels that it sees in daily life are just that...steel? Does not matter to me either way....he asked if I could make him one and I did. He loved it, did his clutch and it worked perfectly...then you jump in with your pictures. Not cool at all. How about toss your own thread out maybe? I can take alot of crap...but disrespecting me like this in not one of them.


Modified by Judge at 5:30 PM 4/10/2005
 
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Judge »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">way to thread crap....thanks. I could see if someone asked to see it, but they did not. Also, care to explain to me how an aluminum tool is better for it when the steels that it sees in daily life are just that...steel? Does not matter to me either way....he asked if I could make him one and I did. He loved it, did his clutch and it worked perfectly...then you jump in with your pictures. Not cool at all. How about toss your own thread out maybe? I can take alot of crap...but disrespecting me like this in not one of them.


Modified by Judge at 5:30 PM 4/10/2005</TD></TR></TABLE>

If you look at the number of posts I have, you will see I have been on here for years trying to help and be part of this site. Slopoke threw my name out and I thought I would show what he was talking about. I meant no disrespect to you at all, if anyone on here has extra steel plates and want to ship them off to you they can.

The aluminum holding plates I use are a full half inch thick of total contact to the hub. In normal use, the engines torque and horsepower is distributed into nine steel plates and there are rubber cush drives on the back side of the hub to absorb shock. The most torque a Ducati puts out is maybe 80 pounds for a beast of a Duc, but that torque is at upper rpms, not when the bike is being launched. Once the clutch is engaged it isn't slipping any more. So most times the aluminum hub has only a small amount of power distributed to nine plates.

The tool on the other hand has to hold the hub from rotating while the center nut is torqued to 137 lb. ft of torque. If that much force is placed on too small of a surface area, then damage to the hub can occur. You also might want to look closely at a hub and you'll see where the steels beat on the hub.
 
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Judge »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">way to thread crap....thanks. I could see if someone asked to see it, but they did not. Also, care to explain to me how an aluminum tool is better for it when the steels that it sees in daily life are just that...steel? Does not matter to me either way....he asked if I could make him one and I did. He loved it, did his clutch and it worked perfectly...then you jump in with your pictures. Not cool at all. How about toss your own thread out maybe? I can take alot of crap...but disrespecting me like this in not one of them.


Modified by Judge at 5:30 PM 4/10/2005</TD></TR></TABLE>

Wow. Easy there. You really can't get pissed
in "General Ducati Chat" maybe if you posted this in the classfieds but not here.

FWIW: I took a bunch of plates to a buddy and he made three tools for me for $20. And we used a solid steel flat bar for the handle. That screwdriver doesn't look like it will hold up to the torque needed for installation.
 
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the plates were tig welded, then a pocket was machined out so that the driver handle fit inside the pocket and then TIG welded in place.....and he used it already. I didn't start the thread....but what I saw was rude in my opinion so I pretty much can get pissy if I feel like it. I didn't come on here to sell them...a member asked if I could od it for him and I did. he posted how it worked for him and how he saw the tool as far as quality.....not me. Trust me the tool is strong....I do happen to know a few things about structural integrity....I would have never sent it to him if it would not work....and as I said before...he did his clutch job and it worked fine for him. Glad to see you have a good buddy....but I do not turn my TIG welder or Mill on for less than 60 bucks.....not worth it to me for my time.
 
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I gotta agree with Judge on this one. Post pictures of your clutch holding tool on a seperate thread. It's just common sense and common decency.
 
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Yeah, but in fairness, he didn't bring it up. Someone else mentioned that he offered these. And this is not an apples to apples comparison. One guy welds a screwdriver to a used plate that you provide, while the other offers a machined part designed for a particular use. One is cheaper than the other too. I'm all for people offering help and ideas and making one-off parts and tools, but to offer a $5 screwdriver and a 10cent bead of weld for $60 and then to be upset that someone offers a professional part chiming in is just not realistic. Not to mention that Phil's tool does more stuff than the one pictured. Its a public forum and when you sell something you have to expect some competition. Buy whichever you want and move on.
 
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Judge »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the plates were tig welded, then a pocket was machined out so that the driver handle fit inside the pocket and then TIG welded in place.....and he used it already. I didn't start the thread....but what I saw was rude in my opinion so I pretty much can get pissy if I feel like it. I didn't come on here to sell them...a member asked if I could od it for him and I did. he posted how it worked for him and how he saw the tool as far as quality.....not me. Trust me the tool is strong....I do happen to know a few things about structural integrity....I would have never sent it to him if it would not work....and as I said before...he did his clutch job and it worked fine for him. Glad to see you have a good buddy....but I do not turn my TIG welder or Mill on for less than 60 bucks.....not worth it to me for my time.</TD></TR></TABLE>


So the handle is flush with the plates? If the handle isn't offset the tool won't work to well. It will work but having the handle stand off the tool works better.
 
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Listen, he showed me apicture of the Nichols one and asked if I could duplicate it for less and I did. I have not done it myself, al I did was what I was asked, then he posted what I did for him.

And professional: no I do not have a CNC mill on hand, but I did build a Jig to hole 4 plates in line so I could TIG weld the OD and keep them from warping and then milled a pocket for the driver to have move surface contact so it will hold up to the torque. As for it being offset: the Nichols one is straight and that is what I was asked to duplicate.....listen ya'll if ya don't want one don't ask for one...but don't bust my balls for doing something a customer asked me to do.
 
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I am buying Phil's because it has the cool racing sticker on it.
 
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hbliam »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

FWIW: I took a bunch of plates to a buddy and he made three tools for me for $20. And we used a solid steel flat bar for the handle. That screwdriver doesn't look like it will hold up to the torque needed for installation.</TD></TR></TABLE>

He made all three for $20 ???

I bought one of those three tools from (what was his name?) who moved to Arizona for $15 used...I've been had
 
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