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don't you worry, it will happen. This was the FIRST attempt and it barely died last minute, mainly because of lack of voter turn out. The fact that it almost passed during a mid term election is plenty good news for the future....no one here is bummed out about that.


by the way, i don't smoke...anything! but i do support the legalization of something far less lethal and destructive than alcohol that can relieve our judicial system, relieve our financial money pit that it is to prosecute, free up our cops to go after real problems and relieve SOME of our financial short comings in CA.
as long as they implement the same rules they do for alcohol, im all good with it.
 

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Voted no. Too many rural Californians depend black market profits. And they ain't all hippies - farmers, ranchers, ordinary people. Probably around 80% of the rural residents in some neighboring counties rely on this since timber fell on its sword. The same thing's become true for cities too ever since indoor lighting has arrived.

California would never have realised the tax gains that were expected too. There is too much incentive to stay black market and the gov. never has a chance of stopping cultivation, especially indoor.

Then there is the driving issue without a realtime test for measuring blood levels of THC.

Also, I heard the measure is written to favor the medical clubs. It was sponsored by one seller in Oakland. These club guys are sharks. They are in it for their bank accounts and a lot of pro-pot people don't want to support their racket.

Add to that all the usual misinformation about gateway, addiction, class warfare, health costs and you've got another loss for pot. But it'll be back and eventually there will be a measure that makes sense. Also, we can look forward to efforts to get pot off the schedule one list of the feds. That's certainly the most important and most sensible thing to do first.
 

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comparatively speaking alcohol and tobacco have a greater rate of addiction and the social costs of these are orders of magnitude greater..... :twocents not to say that we should throw more fuel on the fire (one could question whether use and abuse would increase simply due to legalization..) but perhaps make tobacco and alcholo illegal? not likely gonna happen tho but in all honesty we would all be better off probably, but liberties are liberties and it's always the jack asses that ruin things for the rest of us..... no need to criminalize the responsible individuals...
 

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I voted against it, if you've ever been to Copenhagen, you'd know the problem with just ONE area being a "free zone". You end up with every low life for 1000 miles around, there to get high, and live off the welfare system. I'll NEVER vote for it unless it's nationwide. Besides, do you know ANYTHING (besides blow sheet up with uber-cool weaponry) the feds (or states) do better, and more efficiently than private industry?

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That's exactly right. On our honeymoon, my wife and I ended up in Amsterdam. Our car was broken into the first night we were there. Amsterdam has a few problems that I think are related to pot. When only one small area makes the stuff legal every Tom, Dick and coRky flock there. It is innevitable that a criminal element is included. California being so big I don't think individual crime would climb at all, but the Mexican gangs would concentrate on growing in Cali in order to supply the rest of the U.S. We already have enough of a problem with them and don't need any more. Some growers have already taken to vigilante justice, patrolling the national forests and elsewhere because the authorities don't have the resources to control these maggots. Here, the sherrifs office and the mom and pop growers are on the same team...most of the time. The feds are a joke, with a reputation of being hard-assed pansies who like to fly around in choppers, never do much work and are quick to shoot.

There's one story going around about a recent raid in the hills. One guy watched the operation from saddleback. A chopper was hauling weed down to the valley floor for burning. But the chopper also made several drops in another nearby direction. The theory is that someone met the chopper there and took the weed for the officers retirement fund:rolleyes: . I don't know if that's true but it wouldn't surprise me. Also heard that when you fly over these remote areas practically every valley has big gardens visible from the air. The situation is so far out of control that... Anyway, where was I? The Amsterdam affect. That's what I call it. In fact, I'm surprised Amsterdam doesn't have more of a problem than they actually do. One city in all that area - it's bound attract flies.

And I've been to Copenhagen too. Scandanavia is my favorite part of Europe, especially liked Oslo. Even ate whale meat in Norway so I sure as hell must not be a liberal;) .
 

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Even ate whale meat in Norway so I sure as hell must not be a liberal;) .
Making a decision to satisfy your appetite while you're high doesn't exactly mean you made a conscious decision to eat whale meat...:D
So, a liberal/progressive you remain.
 

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Ate Whale? Oprah was in town? Did you have to tie an ankle to a bed post to keep from falling in? :woot:

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After reading about this in the paper this morning I had a feeling someone would post it. It's not good news but it's nothing new. Pot's affect on the teen brain is already a known negative. Drugs are for adults and better do your research before partaking - just the same as everything else. As Doctor Edell says, Eat, Drink And Be Merry. FYI, also in this morning's paper was a story about a twenty-year old who rammed his Kawa into the back of a stopped van at 60 MPH. End of story.

Recommended reading for anyone scared of life:
Eat, Drink, & Be Merry by Dean Edell, David Schrieberg | Flipkart Books

Back to pot: that kind of research is what we should be teaching in our schools. Less math and more real-world need-to-knows. But do it honestly without the past lies and misinformation. They could do it in the same class where they teach kids to avoid Wall Street sharks and HPV.:twocents
 

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I don't care what "responsible adults" do but when juvenile minded adults celebrate pot to the extent that it is, kids just want it more. It would be nice if kids today actually learned how to negotiate math and read before leaving high school...but another 200 billion should rectify that....ahhh, probably not.

It would be better if kids learned how our government is supposed to work and who represents us...and why. Too many dangerously undereducated folks running to the election booths. Most of them are probably just too stupid from many years of smoking pot.
 

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After reading about this in the paper this morning I had a feeling someone would post it. It's not good news but it's nothing new. Pot's affect on the teen brain is already a known negative. Drugs are for adults and better do your research before partaking - just the same as everything else. As Doctor Edell says, Eat, Drink And Be Merry. FYI, also in this morning's paper was a story about a twenty-year old who rammed his Kawa into the back of a stopped van at 60 MPH. End of story.

Recommended reading for anyone scared of life:
Eat, Drink, & Be Merry by Dean Edell, David Schrieberg | Flipkart Books

Back to pot: that kind of research is what we should be teaching in our schools. Less math and more real-world need-to-knows. But do it honestly without the past lies and misinformation. They could do it in the same class where they teach kids to avoid Wall Street sharks and HPV.:twocents

Larry, for what it's worth, that "kid" was also a BARFer, several of us had shared a meal with him shortly before his crash, nice kid, was trying to learn the rope by riding with more experienced riders, but sometimes.......Anyway, condolences to his family and friends.

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I don't care what "responsible adults" do but when juvenile minded adults celebrate pot to the extent that it is, kids just want it more. It would be nice if kids today actually learned how to negotiate math and read before leaving high school...but another 200 billion should rectify that....ahhh, probably not.

It would be better if kids learned how our government is supposed to work and who represents us...and why. Too many dangerously undereducated folks running to the election booths. Most of them are probably just too stupid from many years of smoking pot.
If pot had been legal all these years adults would treat pot similar to alcohol. Leno wouldn't be making jokes about it nonstop. You see, Larry(?), in part, it's the illegality that makes it uber attractive. It's like speeding. Everyone knows it's illegal but they do it anyway and they brag about it. There is definitely a taboo attraction to illegality for many people, and especially for young people. It's a big part of the pot culture. - sticking it to the man, etc. If pot were legalized nationally I think there'd be a sizeable increase in use among responsible adults who now don't partake out of fear. Teens I'm not so sure about. They tend to do the opposite of adults. In Europe, with it's more liberal attitudes among adults, kids tend to be anti-pot. But there are other cultural differences too. It's hard to say what would happen. But you don't know until you try...and trying means a good twenty-year experiment. A short bit of drug education should be mandatory no matter what the legality.

I don't expect it to be legal nationally until after I'm dead. Whatever. But the fact that cannabis is a schedule one drug tells me that government is completely without knowledge when it comes to pot. Teens see the other drugs on the same list (opiates, cocaine, etc.) and they logically assume that the government has their heads up their asses about those too. When a young person figures that out they react accordingly. Even alcohol has it's inconsistencies. Teens find out they get a headache from alcohol but not from pot, they throw up from alcohol but not from pot, scirosis of the liver, cancer, etc? What are they to think about our legal system when facing these realities? Drug policy has so many fails it makes the head spin. It's as if the laws were made by people who had never even tried any of these substances, even in low doses. It's as if Cindy Sheehan were running the Pentagon.

BTW, the Kawa dude was 19. Nice looking kid too. His posts on Facebook give the impression that he was a street racer though. Makes me assume his wisdom was smaller than his adrenaline thirst. Looks like a rather typical result of young carelessness. Hey, why aren't motorcycles illegal if pot is? Never heard of one person crashing a joint.

Here's another lovely story from the weekend:
Man hunting with son is accidentally shot to death
Bird hunting with a shotgun at 11 years? And I couldn't shoot a deer until I was 12?
Yeah, we've got some mixed up rules and regulations, for sure.
FYI, if anyone's interested, the son was standing at the back of the pickup, a bird flew by, the son rotated to shoot, the dad stepped out of the pickup and was blasted right in the back of the head. Tragic. Hope someone is loving that kid right now.
 

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Uh oh!:(
:rolleyes:

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I'd like to correct the man at 2:20 though. Cannabis is never "hallucinogenic".
 

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One problem, ny. Pot smoking has a positive correlation to non-violent behavior. Alcohol quite the opposite. Other drugs similar to alcohol. So, really, in terms of violent behavior, pot is a safe as pie.

But you being an ocifer (Foster Brooks:D ), you probably think whatever you found in some guys pocket is what caused his behavior. Like I said once before, leave the analysis to higher ups.;)

Also of note, in your own link, are the accusations that Laughner was obsessed with the 2012 proficy and with illiteracy in Arizona. Both of those things are generally conservative issues. So, like I said in my original post, Laughner doesn't fit into any box - he's just whacky. There's a good chance that everything he believed in was just an opposite reaction to what he experienced around him. Even in AZ, he will most likely be certified insane:twocents .
 

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Uh oh!:(
:rolleyes:

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I'd like to correct the man at 2:20 though. Cannabis is never "hallucinogenic".
Sorry sir, I'll dispute that statement.................:rolleyes:

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Sir.
I like that.
Keep it up.;)
 

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One problem, ny. Pot smoking has a positive correlation to non-violent behavior.
:rolleyes:

Only one issue with this...the atheist pot smoker became a homicidal maniac.
 

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It would seem so. Nice the way two and two makes eleven.
 
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