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Arab Palestinians in the service of Nazi Germany and the SS

Something A51 said about peaceful Palestinians Arabs leaving in peace in the promised land got me intrigued - was it really so?
When SS started to quote a declared Anti Zionist and known preacher for destruction of the Jewish state - this is was it, I needed to find out.
Maybe the story as I know it is different?
Maybe something is wrong?



Yes there was Arab terror and hundreds of deaths all over Jewish communities by the Arab world, but was it something sporadic or was there some "greater plan".
And when you open a closet you sometime find skeletons.In 1940s' Arab Palestinians had different plans for the Jews leaving in Palestine.

Their leaders were busy meeting with Adolf Hitler, working and collaborating with Adolf Eichmann (of the SS) visiting the death camps in Europe, preventing Jews from escaping countries under Nazi control and planning and executing operations to chemically poison Tel Aviv's water supply and murder its habitants with enough poison to kill up to 250,000 innocent men, women and children only crime they’ve committed is being Jews.

All well document to the Palestinians’ great sorrow.


Most notably was the Arab Palestinians greatest leader Mohammad Amin al-Husayni the Mufti of Jerusalem convicted post World War II with crimes against humanity for his part in the Holocaust by Yugoslavian court, released by German government due to political pressure by Arab countries.


Some pictures for A51 and SS of their Palestinians leaders with their beloved Fuehrer:


 

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Some say history has a tendency of repeating itself.
What do you guys think - does Ahmadinejad threats about Israel and Europe should be taken for real?
Does this holocaust denial all over the Arab world is driven by shame of past conspirers or is it just a preparation for the next attempt?


And last but not least, a word of wisdom for SS and A51:
Never ever do business with Satan.
If you do, do it quietly, waive the photo op.
If you haven't and your acts are well documented show remorse and take responsibility for your actions.
If you have not done the later don't go to fight.
If you do go to fight, make sure you win.
If you don't win, make a compromise start a new page and make peace.

Otherwise, don't look so surprised when you're Jewish neighbors don't really trust you.
 

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Does this holocaust denial all over the Arab world is driven by shame of past conspirers or is it just a preparation for the next attempt?
Denial is driven by desperation, just like those who call Obama Muslim or Kenyan. They know what the truth is but they state otherwise. It's a form of nullification - like when the O.J. jury found him innocent. When you don't have the truth on your side, say or do something ridiculous and repeat it often. This would be a good topic for psych class.
 

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Important people meet. What's your point, peepee...oops, poopoo?
 

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Important people meet. What's your point, peepee...oops, poopoo?
Your pictures of the pope with Hitler are insinuating that the pope like Mohammad Amin al-Husayni had a guided tour in Auschwitz death camp's gas chamber while operational,
While thousands are slaughtered by gas chambers day in day out and their bodies then cremated so it would not consume space.
Arabs would like to re-write history on this and blame the pope on that?

Evidence of the Arab Palestinian leader and Jerusalem’s Mufti are plentiful.
Did the Pope like the Arab Palestinian leader Mohammad Amin al-Husayni was sentenced and convicted on crimes against humanity by a Yugoslavian tribunal?

Did the Pope like the Arab Palestinian leader Mohammad Amin al-Husayni visited Muslim volunteers (2nd picture both are from the German federal archive) encouraging their actions.



Don't sell your soul to Lucifer - Loser.
 

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No one can sell their soul to Lucifer because there is no Lucifer. In fact, I don't even think there is a soul in the way it's historically been taught.

The Great Scandal: Christianity's Role in the Rise of the Nazis

There's some reading for you peepee, for when you poopoo.

On al-Husayni, it was a marriage of convenience. Al-Husayni is not for me to defend but at some level you are believing rumours simply because that is what you want to be true. While he may have been aware of the final solution there is also evidence to the contrary. Whatever the case, I seriously doubt that you could ever relay the truth even if you did know it:
"Hannah Arendt, who attended the complete Eichmann trial, concluded in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil that, "The trial revealed only that all rumours about Eichmann's connection with Haj Amin el Husseini, the former Mufti of Jerusalem, were unfounded."[127] Rafael Medoff concludes that "actually there is no evidence that the Mufti's presence was a factor at all; the Wisliceny hearsay is not merely uncorroborated, but conflicts with everything else that is known about the origins of the Final Solution."[128] Bernard Lewis also called Wisliceny's testimony into doubt: "There is no independent documentary confirmation of Wisliceny's statements, and it seems unlikely that the Nazis needed any such additional encouragement from the outside."
 

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No one can sell their soul to Lucifer because there is no Lucifer. In fact, I don't even think there is a soul in the way it's historically been taught.
...On al-Husayni, it was a marriage of convenience. ...
It is always like this in any discussion with you and Mr. SS, you always find some pitiful reason/excuse/pretext/pretense why your leaders have been making the most immoral choices they could have possibly do.
Almost all of them were not in the best intrest of your pepole.

As for you, you wanna look like "Lefty atheist" here is a book for you:
Unholy alliance radical Islam and the American left


[Correction]
Not always; sometime you also use foul language in a poor attempt to hide the shame.
It seems this is part of your morality and values.

Guys (A51/SS) you can keep playing with stool all day just don't be surprised that you stink.
 

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PeeeeeeeeeeeeeeePeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee - I'm going to get one of those Hasbara Manuals and see what page you got that gem from.

Another DNF from PeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeePeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. In his excitement on Pole Position, he over-reached himself, flipped his zionist bike at the start line, knocked himself out and DNFd.

I'd be extremely wary about bringing up links to fascism, if I was PeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeePeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Google "zionism hitler", "zionist cooperation fascism", "Albert Einstein letter NYT".
 

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"All that is needed for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing"
Edmund Broke.

Nazi Germany SS troops were definitely evil, however the Palestinian leader and Mufti of Jerusalem did not believe in doing nothing and goodness was definitely not is cup of tea either....


Mufti of Jerusalem and his creation: "The Arab Nazi SS Legion":
 

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Wolfgang G. Schwanitz notes that in his memoirs Husayni recalled that Heinrich Himmler, in the summer of 1943, while confiding some German war secrets, inveighed against Jewish "war guilt", and, speaking of Germany’s persecution of the Jews said that "up to now we have exterminated (in Arabic, abadna) around three million of them". In his memoirs, Husayni wrote he was astonished to hear this. Schwanitz doubts the sincerity of his surprise since, he argues, Husayni had publicly declared that Muslims should follow the example Germans set for a "definitive solution to the Jewish problem".[135]
By "definitive solution to Jewish problem", our dear Palestinian means seting concentration camps and death camps where Jews can be murdered in the same way which happened in Europe at the time.

Indeed these are the thoughts and actions of peace seeking nation....

The Arab Palestinian leader and his good friend Heinrich Himmler:




But the Arab Palestinian leader did not stop there, he need to do something with Jewish children as well:
In September 1943, intense negotiations to rescue 500 Jewish children from the town of Arbe in Croatia collapsed due to the objection of the Mufti who blocked the children's departure to Turkey because they would end up in Palestine.[136]
I tell you these Palestinians are so kind and compashenet....
 

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Hitler’s Mufti, Not Hitler’s Pope — Hajj Amin al-Husseini has inspired two generations of radical Islamic leaders to carry on Hitler’s war against the Jews, which is why today, as was true 60 years ago, it is not the Catholic Church that is the great threat to the survival of the Jewish people; it is Islamofascism.

Link to the article 4 years old and very little has changed: Hitler’s Mufti, Not Hitler’s Pope — Hajj Amin al-Husseini has inspired two generations of radical Islamic leaders to carry on Hitler’s war against the Jews, which is why today, as was true 60 years ago, it is not the Catholic Chur
 

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I've been ignoring your idiotic postings but now it looks like you are trying to tie modern Muslim terrorism to Nazi genocide. Man, you're farther gone than even I thought.

So, Jewish taking of land, killing and destroying a way of life of so many Palestinians is not the motivation for anti-Israeli terrorism? Please.:rolleyes: :wacky

If you are really serious, please break down the motivation for Muslim terrorism. What percentage is just a carryover from Nazi ideology and what percentage is just a reaction to Zionist expansion? I think it's heavily, heavily, heavily weighted toward the latter.
 

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Letters to the New York Times
December 4, 1948

New Palestine Party
Visit of Menachem Begin and Aims of Political Movement Discussed
TO THE EDITORS OF THE NEW YORK TIMES:
Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the �Freedom Party� (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.
The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States. Several Americans of national repute have lent their names to welcome his visit. It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughout the world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin�s political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents.
Before irreparable damage is done by way of financial contributions, public manifestations in Begin�s behalf, and the creation in Palestine of the impression that a large segment of America supports Fascist elements in Israel, the American public must be informed as to the record and objectives of Mr. Begin and his movement.
The public avowals of Begin�s party are no guide whatever to its actual character. Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future.
Attack on Arab Village
A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. This village, off the main roads and surrounded by Jewish lands, had taken no part in the war, and had even fought off Arab bands who wanted to use the village as their base. On April 9 (THE NEW YORK TIMES), terrorist bands attacked this peaceful village, which was not a military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants � 240 men, women, and children � and kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets of Jerusalem. Most of the Jewish community was horrified at the deed, and the Jewish Agency sent a telegram of apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But the terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of this massacre, publicized it widely, and invited all the foreign correspondents present in the country to view the heaped corpses and the general havoc at Deir Yassin.
The Deir Yassin incident exemplifies the character and actions of the Freedom Party.
Within the Jewish community they have preached an admixture of ultranationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority. Like other Fascist parties they have been used to break strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destruction of free trade unions. In their stead they have proposed corporate unions on the Italian Fascist model.
During the last years of sporadic anti-British violence, the IZL and Stern groups inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them, adults were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster methods, beatings, window-smashing, and wide-spread robberies, the terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute.
The people of the Freedom Party have had no part in the constructive achievements in Palestine. They have reclaimed no land, built no settlements, and only detracted from the Jewish defense activity. Their much-publicized immigration endeavors were minute, and devoted mainly to bringing in Fascist compatriots.
Discrepancies Seen
The discrepancies between the bold claims now being made by Begin and his party, and their record of past performance in Palestine bear the imprint of no ordinary political party. This is the unmistakable stamp of a Fascist party for whom terrorism (against Jews, Arabs, and British alike), and misrepresentation are means, and a �Leader State� is the goal.
In the light of the foregoing considerations, it is imperative that the truth about Mr. Begin and his movement be made known in this country. It is all the more tragic that the top leadership of American Zionism has refused to campaign against Begin�s efforts, or even to expose to its own constituents the dangers to Israel from support to Begin.
The undersigned therefore take this means of publicly presenting a few salient facts concerning Begin and his party; and of urging all concerned not to support this latest manifestation of fascism.
(signed)
Isidore Abramowitz, Hannah Arendt, Abraham Brick, Rabbi Jessurun Cardozo, Albert Einstein, Herman Eisen, M.D., Hayim Fineman, M. Gallen, M.D., H.H. Harris, Zelig S. Harris, Sidney Hook, Fred Karush, Bruria Kaufman, Irma L. Lindheim, Nachman Maisel, Symour Melman, Myer D. Mendelson, M.D., Harry M. Orlinsky, Samuel Pitlick, Fritz Rohrlich, Louis P. Rocker, Ruth Sager, Itzhak Sankowsky, I.J. Schoenberg, Samuel Shuman, M. Znger, Irma Wolpe, Stefan Wolpe
New York, Dec. 2, 1948
 

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I don't have time to respond to all of that, but on Begin's party, all radical groups mellow over time and especially when they join the political process. For that to happen is usually a good thing. It's exactly what we've been hoping for in Iraq, for instance.
So? Begin had a fascination with naziism or fascism? Doesn't surpise me since he was conservative Israeli.
 

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Declassified CIA documents show level of cooperation and activity of the Arab Palestinians during holocaust:

Source: The NY Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/12/us/12holocaust.html?_r=1
In chilling detail, the report also elaborates on the close working relationship between Nazi leaders and the grand mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, who later claimed that he sought refuge in wartime Germany only to avoid arrest by the British.

In fact, the report says, the Muslim leader was paid “an absolute fortune” of 50,000 marks a month (when a German field marshal was making 25,000 marks a year).
 

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Nazi Germany paid 24 times the salary of a field Marshel to the Arab Palestinian Mufti but what did he do with all this money?

It also said he energetically recruited Muslims for the SS, the Nazi Party’s elite military command, and was promised that he would be installed as the leader of Palestine after German troops drove out the British and exterminated more than 350,000 Jews there.
 

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That's all very interesting, pooPoo, but the fact remains:
None of that would ever have happened if the Palestinians weren't constantly being occupied, cleansed, killed, etc. by us and our allies. Thanks for mentioning it though.
 

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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/12/us/12holocaust.html

The "We didn't know we were just following orders" claim won't stand in this case:
On Nov. 28, 1941, the authors say, Hitler told Mr. Husseini that the Afrika Corps and German troops deployed from the Caucasus region would liberate Arabs in the Middle East and that “Germany’s only objective there would be the destruction of the Jews
 

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After WWII the Palestinian Mufti, was allowed to flee to prevent hurting Muslim feelings (it seems Arabs had an inferiority syndrome even back then):

The report details how Mr. Husseini himself was allowed to flee after the war to Syria — he was in the custody of the French, who did not want to alienate Middle East regimes — and how high-ranking Nazis escaped from Germany to become advisers to anti-Israeli Arab leaders and “were able to carry on and transmit to others Nazi racial-ideological anti-Semitism.”
 
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