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I am wondering what the potential would be for another production run of Akrapovic exhaust systems in the near future. Full, slip-on, CF or Ti, anything.

I tend to think if the Sato Banzai run can barely get off the ground, this might be of the same nature...

Like a lot of things, this relates to economic dollars and sense. LMK what you think, am open to all opinions.

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They are busy trying to produce exhausts for 2011 bikes that are coming to market and other models STILL being made. They'd have ZERO interest in retooling their jig to accomodate a few RC owners who always want sh!t for nothing.

Also, Akra is getting into the car market pretty big so I just can't imagine they have spare people laying around to make a handful of exhausts for a few SZ members.

Just saying............:eek:
 

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I wonder how many sets they would need prepaid?

Jami is right though, everybody wants everything cheap these days (I'm one of them). It is hard for some people to justify spending $1200 on a set of cans when there are other less-quality sets being sold for $800 new (like yoshi), and used sets of various brands in good condition being sold for less than $500-$600.

The combination of people being cheap, and akra (or sato) needing to charge full price, prepaid, with a lead time of ???, all means that it will probably never happen. That is unless someone steps up and offers to purchase an entire run themselves and attempt to make a profit at it.


My two cents as to what would sell: whatever is cheapest. Although I would like to see a set of ti mid-pipes mated to a set of cf hex cans with cf endcaps.
 

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I just bought a full racing line exhaust with c/f cans from kneedraggers.com. They're posting them to me here in Australia. Might pay to check out if they have any left.

I almost bought 3 :)
 

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I just bought a full racing line exhaust with c/f cans from kneedraggers.com. They're posting them to me here in Australia. Might pay to check out if they have any left.

I almost bought 3 :)
There's plenty of slip-on's out there. I HATE myself for not getting the high-mount (banzai) Sato's, or the full Akrapovic high mounts. I want a great looking quality high mount system. There are 3 sets left on ebay, made in Italy, I've been watching for a while. Put too much money into my camera equipment lately, so I haven't pulled the trigger.

Honda RC51 SP2 GPR Exhaust Slipon Carbon High Mount New: eBay Motors (item 270498663923 end time Sep-05-10 02:37:48 PDT)
 

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Don't lump Yoshimura into that group. They make great exhausts.
They aren't trash by any means, but they aren't of the same level that akra or other more expensive brands are. I would rate them as a upper-mid level exhaust maker. Better than most, but not top tier. I wouldn't say they are a bad deal if you buy them, but just understand that an $800 yosh set isn't going to be on the same level as a $1200 akra set.

It just goes more to my point, people aren't going to pony up the cash for a set of pipes they wont see for how many months? when they can hop on ebay and have a set of good (but not as high quality) pipes for 2/3 the price or less.

And as far as I can tell, there are still some dealers out there that have akrapovics on the shelf, unlike the sato's which are currently unobtainium. So that adds to the complication of getting pre-orders.
 

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They aren't trash by any means, but they aren't of the same level that akra or other more expensive brands are. I would rate them as a upper-mid level exhaust maker. Better than most, but not top tier. I wouldn't say they are a bad deal if you buy them, but just understand that an $800 yosh set isn't going to be on the same level as a $1200 akra set.

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yosh was one of the few who made a full for the 51 and it is not the ti akra for sure but hardly mid level either.

if you take out the sato and akra i would rank yosh as near the top if not the top for other choices for slip-ons.ime on them for the 51 and since 2000 i have yet to see on failure of them on any forum and they time after time dyno well and support their product:clapper

show me where the akra is a better product from $1200-$800 over yosh?
 

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if you take out the sato and akra i would rank yosh as near the top if not the top for other choices for slip-ons.
Wait a second! You've bashed Sato in a MILLION threads saying that there are 10+ Japanese exhaust makers out there better than Sato (and people just buy them because of the name and Dan Kyle is a spinmaster selling snakeoil etc etc) and now you're saying only Sato and Akra are better than Yosh?:wacky You don't even remember the stupid shit you write! Guess that's why you have your own thread.:banghead
 

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Akra Full exhaust.

Well I just ordered a full system stainless head pipes, CF cans w/ Ti caps and was told it was one of three left in existence. I don't know if that was true or not, but if that's the case, I'd imagine we shouldn't expect another run at all.
Someone with a production shop could make some coin if they can get a hold of Ak, Yosh, or Sato and acquire jigs, or at least specs for jigs for their systems.
With the market and roads full of inline fours piloted by teenagers I'm afraid those of us with something different like our RC51's, SuperHawks, VFRs TLRs, etc... may be out of luck unless someone in the fold steps up as I mentioned above above.

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Forgot to mention. I paid $1784.39 for the system here.
 

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They aren't trash by any means, but they aren't of the same level that akra or other more expensive brands are. I would rate them as a upper-mid level exhaust maker. Better than most, but not top tier. I wouldn't say they are a bad deal if you buy them, but just understand that an $800 yosh set isn't going to be on the same level as a $1200 akra set.
I can tell you know a lot about exhaust systems but you have to understand that the standard Yoshimura systems fit well, make good power, are durable, sound and look great to most people and have good parts availability.

Remember, I'm not looking at this as a professional racer would.

In some peoples eyes the hardest to find, most expensive product is not always the best.
 

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yosh was one of the few who made a full for the 51 and it is not the ti akra for sure but hardly mid level either.

if you take out the sato and akra i would rank yosh as near the top if not the top for other choices for slip-ons.ime on them for the 51 and since 2000 i have yet to see on failure of them on any forum and they time after time dyno well and support their product:clapper

show me where the akra is a better product from $1200-$800 over yosh?
Full systems were made by: Akrapovic, leo vince, micron, hindle, jardine, tsukigi, arrow, and probably a few others that I am missing, and of course yoshimura. You can still find them from most of those on that list, but try and find a yosh full system and it wont happen. Don't really see why that is relevant. You seem to feel the need to bring that up all the time like they did something special for the RC51 community, while they just did what most of the other major manufacturers did.

From my admittedly small experience, the yoshi pipes are not at the same level. The welds aren't as clean on the mids and end caps (which are dog-shit ugly). The carbon cans feel like a boat anchor compared to the akra and leo cans I've held recently. Never weighed them, but the yoshi cans are definitely heavy. They feel like they weigh almost as much as the stock bits. I don't know how or why, but they are f-ing heavy.

One of the more tangible reasons with the akra's and sato's are a better product and cost more is the fact that they have titanium mid-pipes, and yoshi's have stainless steel. Some also have Titanium end caps and some are also all titanium construction. All that costs money, and some feel the need to have it, and some don't. Different strokes for..... It's all opinion man. Some people drive a chevy impala, some drive a bmw 530. Both will get you there, but are made differently, look differently, and perform differently. Is it worth it? That's up to the buyer. For me, all it takes in one look a a yosh can and mid next to an akra or leo, and I know which I would like to run. The leo's which I currently have, I am not overly impressed with but they are still better quality than yoshi.

It's the same argument that was being hashed out over carrozerria (sp?) wheels. They may cost less than others, they may be light, but some like them and some don't. Personally, I don't like the way they look that much, and they aren't that much cheaper to justify throwing my ass (and cash) on the line with all the bad things I've heard about them. Is it worth it for the extra cash spent on another brand that I think looks better? Well if that is up to me, yes it is. I haven't had any personal experience with their wheels, so you wont hear me call them pieces of crap, but if someone asked me for an opinion, I would tell them what I have heard and that they should do some research and see what they find.
 

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I can tell you know a lot about exhaust systems but you have to understand that the standard Yoshimura systems fit well, make good power, are durable, sound and look great to most people and have good parts availability.

Remember, I'm not looking at this as a professional racer would.

In some peoples eyes the hardest to find, most expensive product is not always the best.
I'm no expert by any means, I have just formed a few opinions over the years.

I agree with most of what you said about yoshi (not a fan of the looks). IMO, they are a good product for the price (I think the lowest I saw recently was about $600 for new slip ons). I can't think of too many other brands that inexpensive that I would buy.

"Expensive" and "hard to find" always look better at starbucks though :woot:
 

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Full systems were made by: Akrapovic, leo vince, micron, hindle, jardine, tsukigi, arrow, and probably a few others that I am missing, and of course yoshimura. You can still find them from most of those on that list, but try and find a yosh full system and it wont happen. Don't really see why that is relevant. You seem to feel the need to bring that up all the time like they did something special for the RC51 community, while they just did what most of the other major manufacturers did.

From my admittedly small experience, the yoshi pipes are not at the same level. The welds aren't as clean on the mids and end caps (which are dog-shit ugly). The carbon cans feel like a boat anchor compared to the akra and leo cans I've held recently. Never weighed them, but the yoshi cans are definitely heavy. They feel like they weigh almost as much as the stock bits. I don't know how or why, but they are f-ing heavy.

One of the more tangible reasons with the akra's and sato's are a better product and cost more is the fact that they have titanium mid-pipes, and yoshi's have stainless steel. Some also have Titanium end caps and some are also all titanium construction. All that costs money, and some feel the need to have it, and some don't. Different strokes for..... It's all opinion man. Some people drive a chevy impala, some drive a bmw 530. Both will get you there, but are made differently, look differently, and perform differently. Is it worth it? That's up to the buyer. For me, all it takes in one look a a yosh can and mid next to an akra or leo, and I know which I would like to run. The leo's which I currently have, I am not overly impressed with but they are still better quality than yoshi.

It's the same argument that was being hashed out over carrozerria (sp?) wheels. They may cost less than others, they may be light, but some like them and some don't. Personally, I don't like the way they look that much, and they aren't that much cheaper to justify throwing my ass (and cash) on the line with all the bad things I've heard about them. Is it worth it for the extra cash spent on another brand that I think looks better? Well if that is up to me, yes it is. I haven't had any personal experience with their wheels, so you wont hear me call them pieces of crap, but if someone asked me for an opinion, I would tell them what I have heard and that they should do some research and see what they find.
In 2000 when i owned a bike there was akra, and yosh making fulls. the jardine came on to the scene a bit later and was nowhere near the improvement the yosh offered and the akra was 3 times the price.

don't recall a micron full ever, could be wrong. Hindle made a nice system as well as LEO but again not many of them dynoe'd as well as the yosh. You speak about high end and i will give you the akra is a nicer kit but on a street bike it was a high end trinket more then some RC51 godsend. do a search more then two years ago and the choice for almost anybody in the USA and abroad for fulls was the yosh, crappy welds or not.

I have been around 51's for almost 11 years now and been on every forum there every was for the bike and i am telling you the yosh full was a alot better then you have it pegged for. they stopped making it halfway through 2001 so i am unsure how much info you really could have about them. i have owned 3 of them and i currently own one and it was a proven power maker besting many of the more expensive slip-on you mention above 5000 rpms

The point is there is little or no market for fulls now, just as there was then. not many people want $2000 ti fulls that make no more power then $600 slip-ons for a 11 year old bike just for looks. There have been chances to have fulls made by me and others and even with a good tag it is a wash. There will be MANY who claim they want high end fulls and will pay but when the fit hits the shan there will be nobody tossing up $2000 for a full except one of the trolls;)

here is a couple of pics of a full. i am sure the hate will follow but it was just one of the projects i worked on. i never did get to move ahead with more testing as there was little or no demand regardless of the outcome. the full makes power(as much as one can get out of a full with no engine mods) and it could have been a great price. i sold a few of them and still own one for my self but it was a shame this could not have moved ahead IMO.

I have now moved on with a full large bore 2-1 that has taken too long and i have developed a 2-1 undetail and will now be making a 2-1-1 left high full for my bike as well.

the market has dried up fo the 51 and even more for high end ti craftmenship systems. I have a set of high mount slip-ons that are lighter then sato banzi's with ti pipes and such, the fad has moved on. there is a reason these high end companies have moved on to other parts not exhaust. people are not spending what they used to and the companies like MGP growler are selling sub $300 slip-ons and they are out of stock, makes no sense but it is what it is.

I have a yosh full here and could easily get replicas made for a group buy type of deal and it will take a month to have the fixture made and the untis produced and ceramic coated and muffler made. the cost on 10 would be $1400 let's hear the crickets:woot:
 
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