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Speculators trade in oil (and gasoline) futures and are mostly responsible for the recent runup in pump prices. Sure, worldwide demand and regional geo-political conflicts modestly affect the pricing. However, radical environmentalists have tied our hands. They've ruined everything with their green movements. MMGW, overpopulation, sustainable BS policies, etc...
Renewable energy initiatives ? It goes on and on. 40 years or more of it have castrated the ability of a once great nation to be self dependent. If it would all just magically go away tomorrow and our coastlines were opened to offshore drilling and nukeplants had some redtape removed, things would get better quickly.

If people really wanted to buy electric cars the chevy volt would be selling.
It's not. But the gov central planners still want to force this crap down our throats. Just like all good little commies. Face it, we did it to ourselves by allowing the environmental movement to feed us our own balls.
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Speculators trade in oil (and gasoline) futures and are mostly responsible for the recent runup in pump prices. Sure, worldwide demand and regional geo-political conflicts modestly affect the pricing. However, radical environmentalists have tied our hands. They've ruined everything with their green movements. MMGW, overpopulation, sustainable BS policies, etc...
Renewable energy initiatives ? It goes on and on. 40 years or more of it have castrated the ability of a once great nation to be self dependent. If it would all just magically go away tomorrow and our coastlines were opened to offshore drilling and nukeplants had some redtape removed, things would get better quickly.

If people really wanted to buy electric cars the chevy volt would be selling.
It's not. But the gov central planners still want to force this crap down our throats. Just like all good little commies. Face it, we did it to ourselves by allowing the environmental movement to feed us our own balls.
You live in a fantasy world, my friend. The days of cheap oil are over. It does not matter more than the slightest bit if we drill everywhere we could. THERE IS NOT ENOUGH OIL THERE!!!!!!! and MOST OF IT WOULD GO TO OTHER COUNTRIES ANYWAY!!!!!!!! And what happens when we use up that oil? Huh, genius? Tell us what we are going to do when ALL the oil is gone. Tell us now and be serious. How are we going to make plastic - not just plastic, practically everything?
No, you just want cheap gas now. Sorry but you are just plain stupid...and very selfish.

Goddamn. Do some friggin' research.
Nuke Gingrich is full of shite up to his eyeballs when he says he can drop the price of gas to $2.50. Only saps buy into that.

If it weren't for environmentalists our health costs would be much higher than they already are, and they are already about twice what they are in socialist Europe! Plus, salmon runs would have been depleted even sooner, redwoods would be essentially gone, etc., etc. The list is long.

Are you an Okie from Muskogee?
Or just a Texan?
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Zero hates the creation and responsibility as much as competence and understanding...
He shows zero responsibility, that's for sure. If he has a soul it's asleep at the wheel.
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You live in a fantasy world, my friend. The days of cheap oil are over. It does not matter more than the slightest bit if we drill everywhere we could. THERE IS NOT ENOUGH OIL THERE!!!!!!! and MOST OF IT WOULD GO TO OTHER COUNTRIES ANYWAY!!!!!!!! And what happens when we use up that oil? Huh, genius? Tell us what we are going to do when ALL the oil is gone. Tell us now and be serious. How are we going to make plastic - not just plastic, practically everything?
No, you just want cheap gas now. Sorry but you are just plain stupid...and very selfish.

Goddamn. Do some friggin' research.
Nuke Gingrich is full of shite up to his eyeballs when he says he can drop the price of gas to $2.50. Only saps buy into that.

If it weren't for environmentalists our health costs would be much higher than they already are, and they are already about twice what they are in socialist Europe! Plus, salmon runs would have been depleted even sooner, redwoods would be essentially gone, etc., etc. The list is long.

Are you an Okie from Muskogee?
Or just a Texan?
As I said numbnutz, it's your kind (left leaning bedwetters) that got us into this enviro-disaster. I'm certain this is beyond your comprehension due to frequent MJ vaporizing. You've been brainwashed by this college professor inspired crap. You and your circle jerk partner Goggy.

Radical environmentalism and Political correctness is what theyve given us.

Don't worry about my soul. You don't believe in God anyways. The state is your God.

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By the way. Planet Earth is an oil rich planet, there's so much, we're floating on the stuff.
Several hundred years worth at least.
That's if your type gets out of the way...

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As I said numbnutz, it's your kind (left leaning bedwetters) that got us into this enviro-disaster.

What a retarded moron. It didnt take long to start blaming everyone else but the perps.. You're consistent if nothing else. I suppose Noah built a 27 mile long sail driven arc because he was looking for oil and gas. No way he could have wanted to save god's creatures... Thats not fitting in with Zero's 'unradical' moronic/satanic nonsense. Hellofa flood though huh?... seems to me god was mad.. @ dumb people... like you Nero...

I'm certain this is beyond your comprehension due to frequent MJ vaporizing. You've been brainwashed by this college professor inspired crap. You and your circle jerk partner Goggy.

Go back to Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh you complete and utter moron.. We need higher thinking than grade 2 in order to solve the puzzle of 7 billion humans overpopulating the planet and killing it with pollution, destruction, lies, greed, denials and shameful, pathetic excused and justifications... God hates you for treating his planet and his critters with such dumb ass contempt and arrogance. He sent you scientists, thermometers, satellites... But, alas, you have rejected them for habitat and creature killing Devil worship and dollars and snake oil. He's waiting for you Zero I talked to him last night.

Radical environmentalism and Political correctness is what theyve given us.
Stop you from taking is the new 'giving'.. fantastic .. fool. Yeah, its really radical to save nature from morons like the utter ignorant, child minded Zero and his greedy, incompetent 'responsibility free' friends. There's bad ass Zero and Co... gonna save themselves with the bibble and all that babble.. babble they obey about as much as their Constitution... Gee it adds up to Zero... cute.

Don't worry about my soul. You don't believe in God anyways. The state is your God.
What a joke. You forgot nature little man.
Soul? You dont have a soul you moron. You 'souled' out when you became old enough to understand your responsibilities and decided NOT to live up to them... I am happy there is a hell waiting for you, pay all you want to your nonsense false images and lies... hell waits. I talked to the Devil this morning.. he said he's got a well deserved, fiery birth waiting for you...free rent forever dumbfuk...

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Soul? You dont have a soul you moron. You 'souled' out when you became old enough to understand your responsibilities and decided NOT to live up to them... I am happy there is a hell waiting for you, pay all you want to your nonsense false images and lies... hell waits. I talked to the Devil this morning.. he said he's got a well deserved, fiery birth waiting for you...free rent forever dumbfuk...

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Nero, move downwind of a refinery if you love it so much.

You're a sad case.
Still, you don't quite measure down to mattmansell's level, if it makes you feel any better.
Mansell?
What's that supposed to mean?
We can only wonder.
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Ah, the grade 2 / category 8 moron has nothing to say as usual.

Mr. Emotion has it all figured out. The contingency is to blame others.. real mature of you there dufus. How many 'lies for Jesus' did you tell today?
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Ah, the grade 2 / category 8 moron has nothing to say as usual.

Mr. Emotion has it all figured out. The contingency is to blame others.. real mature of you there dufus. How many 'lies for Jesus' did you tell today?
Exactly.
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That had the prefect ending, Gog. Our capitalists cannot wait to get that oil out of the ground and ship it to China...
...so they can build lots of aircraft carriers and ICBM's.

These people are dangerous.

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You live in a fantasy world, my friend. The days of cheap oil are over. It does not matter more than the slightest bit if we drill everywhere we could. THERE IS NOT ENOUGH OIL THERE!!!!!!! and MOST OF IT WOULD GO TO OTHER COUNTRIES ANYWAY!!!!!!!! And what happens when we use up that oil? Huh, genius? Tell us what we are going to do when ALL the oil is gone. Tell us now and be serious. How are we going to make plastic - not just plastic, practically everything?
No, you just want cheap gas now. Sorry but you are just plain stupid...and very selfish.

Goddamn. Do some friggin' research.
Nuke Gingrich is full of shite up to his eyeballs when he says he can drop the price of gas to $2.50. Only saps buy into that.

If it weren't for environmentalists our health costs would be much higher than they already are, and they are already about twice what they are in socialist Europe! Plus, salmon runs would have been depleted even sooner, redwoods would be essentially gone, etc., etc. The list is long.

Are you an Okie from Muskogee?
Or just a Texan?
Cheap oil is over. Despite what you want or say, the oil we have will eventually be gotten, so why let other nations take as much as they can get when we can at least get what we can within some reason. More supply and even more demand means higher prices but not as high as less equal or less supply and more demand. We are always just putting this off to the future when electric and natural gas and nuclear will have to take up the slack. Let the oild companies drill, more oil means more taxes. Earmark the taxes on big oil for pure renewable energy research and subsidies if you like. That is what the greenies don't see. The only big plays in renewables will require more realistic ways to fund it, like big oil taxes.

Oh and gas could be a lot cheaper if the gas taxes were all repealed. Most states don't tax groceries and the commerce of companies and individuals requires gas in MOST, not all, cases. So we can temporarily ease the pain at the pump with less tax. Add the tax to MJ and cigs and liquor if you like. Add it to fast food. It's obamas lack of ideas in the here and now and decisive action that will decide his fate. Idealism is great for debate and lectures and grandstanding politicians, not so much for my kids.
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Speculators trade in oil (and gasoline) futures and are mostly responsible for the recent runup in pump prices. Sure, worldwide demand and regional geo-political conflicts modestly affect the pricing. However, radical environmentalists have tied our hands. They've ruined everything with their green movements. MMGW, overpopulation, sustainable BS policies, etc...
Modestly affect pricing; you have to be joking!
Wait and see what happens when the US economy recovers, the price of gasoline will be higher, assuming it doesn't force another recession! We all need to prepare for the eventual higher prices, sooner rather than later. You are correct, the electric car won't be taking over any time soon; not without a major increase in supply. There are 3 likely choices; nuclear, coal or natural gas. Nuclear is clean but not without its risk. Coal is dirty. That leaves natural gas.
The urban dream will slowly be replaced by denser city life where public transit will become the norm. The SUV's and trucks are already being replaced by smaller cars. Its much like evolution but rather than million of years, it will happen in our life time or that of our children. The Europeans have been adapting for years. They pay over twice as much as the US. We will be forced to adapt as well.
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Build a shitload of nuke plants and shift cars to electric/hydrogen hybrids (we need lots of electricity to make hydrogen), and CNG too. Leave diesel for trucks, trains, ships and oil for roads, chemicals, etc...

...along with massive solar in the SW, wind and wave in some other areas, and serious conservation and improved transmission.

Also time to start redesigning cities, and all of society, so that people live close to work, with a subway for every city.

That's my tin-foil plan.


Racing to drill more oil is a race to the bottom.

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Despite what you want or say, the oil we have will eventually be gotten, so why let other nations take as much as they can get when we can at least get what we can within some reason.
True. But racing to drill everywhere is not an answer. That's the opposite of what we should do because oil goes into the open market no matter how screwed that seems. Our benefit from more drilling is diluted greatly by that fact. Yes, we'd lower the pump price somewhat but I've heard estimates of anywhere form a lowly 5 cents a gallon to about 20. And anyone who has studied this knows that when you increase supply rising demand naturally follows, as you mention. It would aid China and everyone else and the price would soon rise again due to the increased demand. And when push comes to shove I'll bet they'd be willing to pay over market price just to fuel their growth - they can afford to. So we'd be pumping our oil to send it to them. It's highly likely that we'd see only a slight advantage to our own increased oil production. We see this playing out right now. Oil production is way up in the U.S. yet the price of gas has risen. There are many factors, of course, but the upshot of it is, drilling isn't a long term fix no matter how you look at it. Estimates of two hundred years of oil are pipe dreams. Most of that oil is low quality and expensive and destructive to extract. And once it's extracted much of it goes to commies and others. Someone needs to communicate this to Americans. They aren't getting the news.
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You live in a fantasy world, my friend. The days of cheap oil are over. It does not matter more than the slightest bit if we drill everywhere we could. THERE IS NOT ENOUGH OIL THERE!!!!!!! and MOST OF IT WOULD GO TO OTHER COUNTRIES ANYWAY!!!!!!!! And what happens when we use up that oil? Huh, genius? Tell us what we are going to do when ALL the oil is gone. Tell us now and be serious. How are we going to make plastic - not just plastic, practically everything?
No, you just want cheap gas now. Sorry but you are just plain stupid...and very selfish.

Goddamn. Do some friggin' research.
Nuke Gingrich is full of shite up to his eyeballs when he says he can drop the price of gas to $2.50. Only saps buy into that.

If it weren't for environmentalists our health costs would be much higher than they already are, and they are already about twice what they are in socialist Europe! Plus, salmon runs would have been depleted even sooner, redwoods would be essentially gone, etc., etc. The list is long.

Are you an Okie from Muskogee?
Or just a Texan?
They are getting the news, they just can't afford it. European pump prices mean that the well off will be more annoyed filling their vehicles. But it means millions will have to do with less. This will push us toward alternatives a little faster maybe but it will be a painful journey for a lot. If US oil companies can make extra billions selling oil to commies that is fine by me. Means they pay billions more than now and that is good for the near future. Your ideas are fine for the 20 plus year strategy but we should utilize all our resources now to help pay for the more expensive alternatives later. How many solar companies are making real profit without heavy subsidy. I don't know so I will assume few to none until proven otherwise.
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How many oil and nuclear companies are making real profit without heavy subsidy.
Fixed it for you.

20 years is a flash in the pan, bro. And yes, it will be painful for some. But drilling EVERYWHERE WILL NOT solve that. It's desperate people grasping at straws.

The only way that extra drilling would make an appreciable difference is if all U.S. oil production were kept here, possibly through a nationalization type of scheme. That could touch off a trade war or something.

The answer was to plan for this transition but we didn't because no one respected Jimmy Carter.

Suck it up. Our inaction means we are all going to pay lots for our fuel. Still much less than most other developed countries. Reality bites.


BTW, your post brings up another issue. I'm wondering how much oil company profit is stashed overseas to avoid paying U.S. taxes. I read in the paper today that Republicans are proposing a reduction in the corporate rate (a good thing). BUT, they are also proposing to let them bring their stash back without paying tax (according to the article - sometimes they don't word things correctly so that needs to be verified)! How's that for subisidizing? If true, it's a big gift to companies making record profits when we desperately need everyone to pay their taxes. Starve the beast? Perhaps.

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593. Payment to North Korea (3/15/09)

Similar to the bombing of a Syrian nuclear site on Sept. 6, 2007, Israel also destroyed a nuclear reactor of Iraq in 1981. One thing is very clear: the raids all achieved by "one shot did all." It couldn't be done by regular bomb. It must be done by an accurate guided missile.

I remember the news in 1981 said when Israel attacked the Osirak nuclear reactor in Iraq, nobody was inside the site except a French technician. (The Osirak nuclear reactor was built by a French company) I think that technician was the one who activated a signal generator without aware of that a missile was running toward him by tracking the signal. Such kind of practice is common in the intelligence world. A typical one was 7/7/05 London bombing. When four sacrifice (government informants) went boarding the underground train with smile, they did what their master told them to do. They never knew their mission was to be a "suicide bomber".
Bombing nuclear site of Syria in 2007 needed accurate inside information too. How do I know North Korea played a role of Trojan Horse? From a news that the President of South Korea made a sudden visit to North Korea and had a summit there. The visit started from 10/2/07, 25 days from the incident "bombing Syria". Obviously it was a payment trip.

Of course the media used to mislead public with big lumps of story such like "Surprising steps at Koreas summit", "North Korea's leader shows little emotion at summit"..... The real meaning was vague in news: Quote, "Worries that South Korea's President Roh Moo Hyun would give away too much had been high..... For the North's leadership, the declaration would yield the economic growth it is seeking without demanding the political change it fears." (By Norimistsu Onishi, New York Times) They promised to open regular cargo railway service crossing their heavily armed border and create a joint fishing zone on their disputed sea frontier. It benefited both sides so it was not a payment.

The real payment was in a sentence: "The countries reiterated a commitment to deliver aid under the February disarmament deal granting the North the equivalent of 1 million tons of fuel oil." So I knew the secret deal was done in February. Seven months later (May, /2008), in another short news, I learned that USAID would supply North Korea 500,000 tons of food based on that February deal.

North Korea was labelled as an evil country by Bush. From time to time it challenges US with missile test, nuclear weapon and war. Yet, it always get generous aid from US that other countries rarely got. With my revelation, you now are able to realize all these are a soap opera to cheat the public, or the targeted enemy such like Syria and Iran.
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