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The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine

from Ilan Pappe's book of the same title

Oneworld Publications Limited 2006

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Page 5: "The perpetrators [of the ethnic cleansing of Palestine] are not obscure. ... The list begins with the indisputable leader of the Zionist movement, David Ben Gurion, in whose private home all early and later chapters in the ethnic cleanisng story were discussed and finalised."

Page 8: "The fact that the expellers were newcomers to the country, and part of a colonization project, relates the case of Palestine to the colonialist history of ethnic cleansing in North and South America, Africa and Australia, where white settlers routinely committed such crimes."
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Page 19: "Regular members of the Hagana who were entrusted with collecting the data on 'reconnaissance' journeys into the villages realised, from the start, that this was not a mere academic exercise in geography. One of these was Moshe Pasternak, who joined one of the early excursions and data collecting operations in 1940. He recalled many years later:

'We had to study the basic structure of the Arab village. This means the structure and how best to attack it. In the military schools, I had been taught how to attack a modern European city, not a primitive village in the Near East. We could not compare it [an Arab village] to a Polish, or an Austrian one. The Arab village ... was built topographically on hills. This meant we had to find out how best to approach the village from above or enter it from below.' "

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Page 24: "How to achieve such a purely Jewish state was also discussed under his (Ben Gurion's) guidance around 1937. Two magic words now emerged: Force and Opportunity. The Jewish state could only be won by force, but one had to wait for the opprortune historical moment to come along in order to be able to deal 'militarily' with the demographic reality on the ground: the presence of a non-Jewish native majority population."
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The Askenazi Jews(pale skin German Jews) need to be cleansed. Imposters of Israel!!! They practically got rid of all the true Jews (Sephardi) and pushed them to palestine and eygpt because of their dark skin.
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Pappe, page 28:

"However, within a few months, yet another plan was drawn up: Plan D (Dalet). It was this plan that sealed the fate of the Palestinians within the territory the Zionist Leaders had set their eyes on for their future Jewish State. Indifferent as to whether these Palestinians might decide to collaborate with or oppose their Jewish State, Plan Dalet called for their systematic and total expulsion from their homeland."
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Pappe page 29:

"When the Zionist movement started its ethnic cleansing operations in Palestine, in early December 1947, the country had a 'mixed' population of Palestinians and Jews. The indigenous Palestinians made up the two-third majority, down from ninety per cent at the start of the Mandate. One third were Jewish newcomers, i.e., Zionist settlers and refugees from war torn Europe, most of whom had arrived in Palestine since the 1920s. As of the late nineteenth century, the indigenous Palestinians had been seeking the right of self-determination ... "
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I suggest anybody with an interest in the matter to make a trip to Israel.
While you are there break away from the State-provided guide (easy to do) and start exploring on your own.
While the plight of the indigenous Arabs (both Muslim and Christian) is well known and absolutely real, the discrimination carried out on "second class" Jews (meaning everybody non-Ashkenazim) will become immediately evident.
The first thing that will pop into your mind is "These people know better than anybody else about discrimination and oppression... why are they doing this?".
The answer will come natural after walking around a bit.
Discrimination is everywhere.
To make matters worse even Christians squabble among themselves and these squabbles often degenerate into the street fights so common during the Holy Week. To give you an example at the time of my visit the roof of the Nativity Church in Bethlehem was literally falling apart. Our "unofficial" guide (a Catholic priest who's been working in the Holy Land for years) said it was not a money-related issue, on the contrary. Each of the three main churches (Catholic, Orthodox and Armenian) just wanted the privilege of funding the restoration work for itself. And in the meantime the centuries old beams were rotting away.
A beautiful and fascinating land (filled with very beautiful women, I may add) but a ticking timebomb.

Shame on me, my heart is black.
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Pappe page 29:

"When the Zionist movement started its ethnic cleansing operations in Palestine, in early December 1947, the country had a 'mixed' population of Palestinians and Jews. The indigenous Palestinians made up the two-third majority, down from ninety per cent at the start of the Mandate. One third were Jewish newcomers, i.e., Zionist settlers and refugees from war torn Europe, most of whom had arrived in Palestine since the 1920s. As of the late nineteenth century, the indigenous Palestinians had been seeking the right of self-determination ... "
So then SS, what would your solution be for peace ? Would it be like Helen Thomas' ? All jews (or using your euphemism, zionists) go back to Europe ?
That's not going to happen. Your beloved "indigenous Palestinians" (Philistines) will be forever landless. Get over it.
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Pappe, page 31:

THE UN'S PARTITION PLAN

"It is clear that by accepting the Partition Resolution, the UN totally ignored the ethnic composition of the country's population. Had the UN decided to make the territory the Jews had settled on in Palestine correspond with the size of their future state, they would have entitled them to no more than ten per cent of the land. But the UN accepted the nationalist claims the Zionist movement was making for Palestine and, furthermore, sought to compensate the Jews for the Nazi Holocaust in Europe."

Page 32: "As a result, the Zionist movement was 'given' a state that stretched over more than half of the country."
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Your beloved "indigenous Palestinians" (Philistines) will be forever landless. Get over it.
They aren't landless, they have land and there are Israelis temporarily living on it. That will be rectified some time in the future. It'll probably come down to WMD's because that is the only equivalent response to Zionist aggression.:twocents

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Pappe, Chapter 4, 'Finalising a Master Plan'

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'These operations can be carried out in the following manner: either by destroying villages (by setting fire to them, by blowing them up, and by planting mines in their debris) and especially of those population centers which are difficult to control continuously; or by mounting combing and control operations according to the following guidelines: encirclement of the villages, conducting a search inside them. In the case of resistance, the armed forces must be wiped out and the population expelled outside the borders of the state.'
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That is quite a find there, soslow. Nice to see someone on the inside is documenting the cleansing. It's really a pisser that my taxes are fueling the machine. What to do?

"...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
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Pappe page 44

" ... on the eve of the 1948 war, the Jewish fighting force stood at around 50,000 troops, out of which 30,000 were fighting troops and the rest auxiliaries who lived in the various settlements. In may 1948, these troops could count on the assistance of a small air force and navy, and on the units of tanks, armoured cars and heavy artillery that accompanied them. Facing them were irregular para-military Palestinian outfits that numbered no more than 7000 troops: a fighting force that lacked all structure or hierarchy and was poorly equipped when compared with the Jewish forces. In addition, in February 1948, about 1000 volunteers had entered from the Arab world, reaching 3000 over the next few months."
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The Askenazi Jews(pale skin German Jews) need to be cleansed. Imposters of Israel!!! They practically got rid of all the true Jews (Sephardi) and pushed them to palestine and eygpt because of their dark skin.


Can you please give an refernce to this or is it just a lie you made from the top of your head?
Do you actually belive these lies?

Good to see that there so many jew-hater and anti-sematics are here.

And its good that most of them are either ignorent or just blinded by their hatered so it’s quite e easy to reveal their true faces.

Now to the facts, Israel has been activly busy over the years in helping Jewish communities in need all over the world including dark skinned Jews with numbers which would have made any country kneel at the economic burden.

This is the story of the Ethiopian Jews brought to Israel by the thousands from 1984 till 1991 using the MOSAD and Israel Defence Force.
In 1984 during the famine in Ethiopia the State of Israel (AKA the Zionists) sent their MOSAD agents to contact and bring this Jewish community on the verge of starvation to Israel.
They managed to smuggle 8,000 Jews via the Muslim country of Sudan when the world press got the story and the operation stopped by the order of the Sudanese government.
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….Beginning November 21, 1984, it involved the air transport of some 8,000 Ethiopian Jews from Sudan directly to Israel, ending January 5, 1985. Thousands of Beta Israel had fled Ethiopia on foot for refugee camps in Sudan. It is estimated as many as 4,000 died during the trek. Sudan secretly allowed Israel to evacuate the refugees.
...Once the story broke in the media, Arab countries pressured Sudan to stop the airlift.
These BAD BAD BAD Zionists didn’t stopped there, they used their good relationship with the US government to help and bring additional 1,000 orphans which were left behind when the operation was revealed. This is operation Joshua.
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….George H. W. Bush, Vice-President of the United States at the time, arranged a CIA-sponsored follow-up mission to Operation Moses, which had brought 8000 people to Israel. Under Operation Joshua, an additional 800 were flown out of Sudan to Israel.
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Alas you would expect this Zionists to say enough but then they continued in 1991 bringing additional 15,000 Ethiopian Jews :
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In 1991, the sitting Ethiopian government of Mengistu Haile Mariam was close to being toppled with the recent military successes of Eritrean and Tigrean rebels, threatening Ethiopia with dangerous political destabilization. …
In the previous year, 1990, the Israeli government and Israeli Defense Forces, aware of Mengistu's worsening political situation, made covert plans to airlift the Beta Israel population in Ethiopia to Israel. This became the largest emigration of Beta Israel to date.
In 36 hours, non-stop flights of 34 Israeli aircraft, including IAF C-130s and El Al cargo planes, transported 14,325 Ethiopian Jews to Israel.[1]
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Terrorism and the Palestinian resistence are not motivated by religion - only something like 3% is solely religious. If you followed the news you'd know that. But since you don't I started a thread to inform idealogs like you:

https://www.speedzilla.com/forums/war...ting-fuse.html

"...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
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Terrorism and the Palestinian resistence are not motivated by religion - only something like 3% is solely religious.

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HAMAS is the controling party and regime in GAZA:
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In the January 2006 Palestinian parliamentary elections Hamas won a decisive majority in the Palestinian Parliament,[17] defeating the PLO-affiliated Fatah party. Following the elections, the United States and the EU halted financial assistance to the Hamas-led administration.
HAMAS is funded by Iran, and Iran best intrest is to de-stabilize the Mid-East and this is not the Palestinian pepole's best intrest...

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Hamas (حماس Ḥamās, an acronym of حركة المقاومة الاسلامية Ḥarakat al-Muqāwamat al-Islāmiyyah, meaning "Islamic Resistance Movement") is the Palestinian Islamist organization, with a socio-political wing and a military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades,[5][6][7] and is described as fundamentalist or Islamist.[8] Canada,[9] Israel, European Union,[10] and the United States[11][12][13] classify Hamas as a terrorist organization.

A51, you need to stop with the lies....



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I am glad to see that other than that you agreed with the post on the Ethiopian Jewish community and the Zionist regime .
Pity you did not correct Desmo, and explained to him where did all the Jews from Arab countries went too...

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Yeah, Hamas was voted in and they are Muslim. So? What you were unable to gleen from my post is that terrorism isn't motivated by religion (only 3% of the time is it solely the cause). Terrorism by Hamas is motivated by Israeli aggression, pure and simple.

You say Iran wants to "destabilize" the Middle East. Why is that?
Every country wants stability, especially the ruthless dictatorial ones like Iran. What they don't want is a superpower and it's little brother pushing their bounderies outward by force. Don't you think Hamas and the others is within it's rights of self defense given this very basic fact? For crying out loud, Iraq is even on the border of Iran. Yet we expect them to not act - especially when we rattle sabres and puff our chests out. For crying out loud, some of you guys just don't get human nature and national security.

What if Cuba was taking Burmuda by force? do you think the United States would just sit back and watch it happen? Iran is acting in it's interests. Same goes for what they've done in Iraq. We aren't the only country with national security responsibilities. Funny how so many just ignore this.

This isn't a defense of Iran. Just as much as anyone I hope Iranian revolution happens soon.

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You say Iran wants to "destabilize" the Middle East. Why is that?
Every country wants stability, especially the ruthless dictatorial ones like Iran. ...

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So what about these Jewish dark skinned and pure at heart Etheiopian refuges?
Didn't the Ashkenazi guys know what they're bringing in ?

Also you never replied what to do with all the Jews from Arab countries (we know you hate all Ashkenazi Zionists), they are Zionists as well, through them to the sea as well?

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A51 Start memorizing please:

From Iraq - 120,00 Jews fled Iraq in 1948 due to prosecution by their Arab neighbors and by the government after the Iraqi coup of 1968 by the BAATH’ party (Sadam Hussain’s party). From the 120,000 Jews, at the end of 1991 (1st Golf war) there were less than 50 persons in the Jewish community of Bagdad. This community has perished.

From Iran – This community was there before the Arabs or Islam gut to Iran and The Jewish Iranian community was established during 1st banishment of [FONT='Tahoma','sans-serif']Nebuchadnezzar on 772 B.C. that’s about 1300 years before Mohammad was born !!! [/font]
I say give the Jews the stolen lands of Iran….

About 70,000 came to Israel
Total 20,000 got to the US.
Total of 5,000 got to Europe.
This community is on the verge of being perished.

From Yemen – 35,000 came prior around 1880 in an organized return to the Promised Land. However 50,000 came due to prosecution by the government in early 1950s. Today less than 180 Jewish persons live in Yemen, 80% are above the age of 60, this community has perished.

From Lebanon – 22,000 Jews lived in Lebanon on 1947, most fled during the first years. This community has perished.

From Morocco – Morocco Jewish community counted 250,000 persons at 1947. Due to procecution including murder by their Arab neighbor most fled to Israel some to Europe (mostly France). Today there are a mere 2,000 jews in Morocco.

From Algiers – The Jewish community of Algiers counted 130,000. After the civil war
Citizenship of Christians and Jews were denied and all were exiled mostly to Israel and France.


From Lybia – The Jewish community of Lybia counted 38,000 at 1948, their Arab neighbors commited pogroms among the Jewish community and basically all fled to Israel.

From Syria – The Jewish community counted 30,000. Immediately after the UN decision to divide Palestine to 2 states an Arab and a Jewish state, the Arabs massacred the Jews and the community fled to Israel, USA, UK and others.
Today this community is on the verge of perish and includes only 50-70 persons.

From Egypt – The Jewish community counted 80,000. In 1947 dozens were massacared by their Arab neighbors and hundreds were jailed by the government for non other than their religion.
30,000 fled mostly to Israel, The remaining fled when Gamal Abdel Nasser came to power at 1957. Today the community includes dozens.

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SS please try to come up with a response other then “Zionist lies", you see it starts to be very unreliable and quite boring.
Good to see that Israel has such a good neighbors, now I realy understand what they're up against....

I realy should be thanking you, you know.
So there goes A51, thank you.

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IMO, what happened a thousand years ago (or maybe even over a hundred years ago) is water under the bridge. Time has expired on the claim to lands in Iran, Iraq and elsewhere. It's unfortunate that Jews have been treated the way they were but that doesn't make zionist actions today forgivable.

If zionists want to get along with their neighbors they should stop expanding and return Palestinians their homes. But, like I've said before, Israel doesn't want peace. They want land, other people's land. When they are done expanding they will cry for peace. It's so calculated and predictable.

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Pappe page 46:

"When, on 18 February 1948, Sharett wrote to Ben-Gurion: 'We will only have enough troops to defend ourselves, not to take over the country', Ben -Gurion replied:

If we will receive in time the arms we have already purchased, and maybe even receive some of that promised to us by the UN, we will be able not only ot defend [ourselves] but also to inflict death blows on the Syrians in their own country - and take over Palestine as a whole. I am in no doubt of this. We can face all the Arab forces. This is not a mystical belief but a cold and rational calculation based on practical examination. "
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