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^ Municipal buses should run on natural gas, but that's another topic.

I know the drill, baby, drill crowd just wants to talk about motorcycles at this time but let me discuss Obama's "slow" response with myself.

First of all, this was not a devistating hurricane barrelling toward the gulf coast, widespread damage was not on anyone's radar for a good six days after the explosion.

April 20 - Explosion, no apparent leak.
April 21
April 22 - Rig sinks, no apparent leak.
April 23 - Coast Guard says no leak
April 24 - Big leak is evident
April 25 - BP says leak may be stopped in 24 to 36 hours, maybe.
April 26 - Big slick seen on surface.
April 27 - Obama administration meets with BP.
April 28
April 29 - Governor Jindal declares state of emergency.
April 30 - Louisiana National Guard called in.
May 1 - Obama names Coast Guard Admiral to head operations.

Gulf Of Mexico Disaster -- A Timeline Of Failures | Before It's News

For a look at how one-sided and completely innacurate the Right can be compare the above timeline with this one from a conserative rag:
Gulf oil spill becoming Obama's Katrina: A timeline of presidential delay | Washington Examiner
What a laugher the right can be...the left too but not in this case.

Someone else can fill in after May 1 but obviously, unless you hate Obama like he was Satan, there was no federal delay. It's the company's and the State's job first and foremost to take care of their spills - never has been a federal responsibility. Once Jindal declared an emergency then things changed. Then the feds could assist. But this is an oil spill, not a friggin' hurricane the size of Texas. Oil spills are a local concern until they become beyond-belief large, even then I'm not sure the feds have superiority in this type of disaster. What are the feds supposed to do? They aren't in the oil drilling business. They don't have any equipment other than some submersables and planes. Maybe Rush Limbaugh thinks Barry should dive down and put his thumb in the hole. I don't know. Rush is pretty retarded when it comes to the other party so I wouldn't put it past him. Anyway, the usual crying about Barry, is just that, the usual crying, 95% without substance.

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US Orders Blackout Over North Korean Torpedoing Of Gulf Of Mexico Oil Rig
By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers

A grim report circulating in the Kremlin today written by Russia’s Northern Fleet is reporting that the United States has ordered a complete media blackout over North Korea’s torpedoing of the giant Deepwater Horizon oil platform owned by the World’s largest offshore drilling contractor Transocean that was built and financed by South Korea’s Hyundai Heavy Industries Co. Ltd., that has caused great loss of life, untold billions in economic damage to the South Korean economy, and an environmental catastrophe to the United States.
Most important to understand about this latest attack by North Korea against its South Korean enemy is that under the existing “laws of war” it was a permissible action as they remain in a state of war against each other due to South Korea’s refusal to sign the 1953 Armistice ending the Korean War.
To the attack itself, these reports continue, the North Korean “cargo vessel” Dai Hong Dan believed to be staffed by 17th Sniper Corps “suicide” troops left Cuba’s Empresa Terminales Mambisas de La Habana (Port of Havana) on April 18th whereupon it “severely deviated” from its intended course for Venezuela’s Puerto Cabello bringing it to within 209 kilometers (130 miles) of the Deepwater Horizon oil platform which was located 80 kilometers (50 miles) off the coast of the US State of Louisiana where it launched an SSC Sang-o Class Mini Submarine (Yugo class) estimated to have an operational range of 321 kilometers (200 miles).
On the night of April 20th the North Korean Mini Submarine manned by these “suicidal” 17th Sniper Corps soldiers attacked the Deepwater Horizon with what are believed to be 2 incendiary torpedoes causing a massive explosion and resulting in 11 workers on this giant oil rig being killed outright. Barely 48 hours later, on April 22nd , this North Korean Mini Submarine committed its final atrocity by exploding itself directly beneath the Deepwater Horizon causing this $1 Billion oil rig to sink beneath the seas and marking 2010’s celebration of Earth Day with one of the largest environmental catastrophes our World has ever seen.
To the reason for North Korea attacking the Deepwater Horizon, these reports say, was to present US President Obama with an “impossible dilemma” prior to the opening of the United Nations Review Conference of the Parties to the Treat on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) set to begin May 3rd in New York.
This “impossible dilemma” facing Obama is indeed real as the decision he is faced with is either to allow the continuation of this massive oil leak catastrophe to continue for months, or immediately stop it by the only known and proven means possible, the detonation of a thermonuclear device.
Russian Navy atomic experts in these reports state that should Obama choose the “nuclear option” the most viable weapon at his disposal is the United States B83 (Mk-83) strategic thermonuclear bomb having a variable yield (Low Kiloton Range to 1,200 Kilotons) which with its 12 foot length and 18 inch diameter, and weighing just over 2,400 pounds, is readily able to be deployed and detonated by a remote controlled mini-sub.
Should Obama choose the “nuclear option” it appears that he would be supported by the International Court of Justice who on July 8, 1996 issued an advisory opinion on the use of nuclear weapons stating that they could not conclude definitively on these weapons use in “extreme circumstances” or “self defense”.
On the other hand, if Obama chooses the “nuclear option” it would leave the UN’s nuclear conference in shambles with every Nation in the World having oil rigs off their coasts demanding an equal right to atomic weapons to protect their environment from catastrophes too, including Iran.
To whatever decision Obama makes it remains a fact that with each passing hour this environmental catastrophe grows worse. And even though Obama has ordered military SWAT teams to protect other oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico from any further attack, and further ordered that all drilling in the Gulf of Mexico be immediately stopped, this massive oil spill has already reached the shores of America and with high waves and more bad weather forecast the likelihood of it being stopped from destroying thousands of miles of US coastland and wildlife appears unstoppable.
And not just to the environmental catastrophe that is unfolding the only devastation to be wrecked upon the United States and South Korea by this North Korean attack as the economic liabilities associated with this disaster are estimated by these Russian reports to be between $500 Billion to $1.5 Trillion, and which only a declaration of this disaster being an “act of war” would free some the World’s largest corporations from bankruptcy.
Important to note too in all of these events was that this was the second attack by North Korea on its South Korean enemy, and US ally, in a month as we had reported on in our March 28th report titled “Obama Orders ‘Immediate Stand-down’ After Deadly North Korean Attack” and which to date neither the Americans or South Korea have retaliated for and giving one senior North Korean party leader the courage to openly state that the North Korean military took “gratifying revenge” on South Korea.
And for those believing that things couldn’t get worse, they couldn’t be more mistaken as new reports coming from Japanese military sources are stating that North Korea is preparing for new launches of its 1,300 kilometer (807 miles) intermediate range ballistic “Rodong” missile which Russian Space Forces experts state is able to “deploy and detonate” an atomic electromagnetic pulse (EMP) device, and which if detonated high in the atmosphere could effectively destroy the American economy for years, if not decades, to come.
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US Orders Blackout Over North Korean Torpedoing Of Gulf Of Mexico Oil Rig
By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers

A grim report circulating in the Kremlin today written by Russia’s Northern Fleet is reporting that the United States has ordered a complete media blackout over North Korea’s torpedoing of the giant Deepwater Horizon oil platform owned by the World’s largest offshore drilling contractor Transocean that was built and financed by South Korea’s Hyundai Heavy Industries Co. Ltd., that has caused great loss of life, untold billions in economic damage to the South Korean economy, and an environmental catastrophe to the United States.
Most important to understand about this latest attack by North Korea against its South Korean enemy is that under the existing “laws of war” it was a permissible action as they remain in a state of war against each other due to South Korea’s refusal to sign the 1953 Armistice ending the Korean War.
To the attack itself, these reports continue, the North Korean “cargo vessel” Dai Hong Dan believed to be staffed by 17th Sniper Corps “suicide” troops left Cuba’s Empresa Terminales Mambisas de La Habana (Port of Havana) on April 18th whereupon it “severely deviated” from its intended course for Venezuela’s Puerto Cabello bringing it to within 209 kilometers (130 miles) of the Deepwater Horizon oil platform which was located 80 kilometers (50 miles) off the coast of the US State of Louisiana where it launched an SSC Sang-o Class Mini Submarine (Yugo class) estimated to have an operational range of 321 kilometers (200 miles).
On the night of April 20th the North Korean Mini Submarine manned by these “suicidal” 17th Sniper Corps soldiers attacked the Deepwater Horizon with what are believed to be 2 incendiary torpedoes causing a massive explosion and resulting in 11 workers on this giant oil rig being killed outright. Barely 48 hours later, on April 22nd , this North Korean Mini Submarine committed its final atrocity by exploding itself directly beneath the Deepwater Horizon causing this $1 Billion oil rig to sink beneath the seas and marking 2010’s celebration of Earth Day with one of the largest environmental catastrophes our World has ever seen.
To the reason for North Korea attacking the Deepwater Horizon, these reports say, was to present US President Obama with an “impossible dilemma” prior to the opening of the United Nations Review Conference of the Parties to the Treat on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) set to begin May 3rd in New York.
This “impossible dilemma” facing Obama is indeed real as the decision he is faced with is either to allow the continuation of this massive oil leak catastrophe to continue for months, or immediately stop it by the only known and proven means possible, the detonation of a thermonuclear device.
Russian Navy atomic experts in these reports state that should Obama choose the “nuclear option” the most viable weapon at his disposal is the United States B83 (Mk-83) strategic thermonuclear bomb having a variable yield (Low Kiloton Range to 1,200 Kilotons) which with its 12 foot length and 18 inch diameter, and weighing just over 2,400 pounds, is readily able to be deployed and detonated by a remote controlled mini-sub.
Should Obama choose the “nuclear option” it appears that he would be supported by the International Court of Justice who on July 8, 1996 issued an advisory opinion on the use of nuclear weapons stating that they could not conclude definitively on these weapons use in “extreme circumstances” or “self defense”.
On the other hand, if Obama chooses the “nuclear option” it would leave the UN’s nuclear conference in shambles with every Nation in the World having oil rigs off their coasts demanding an equal right to atomic weapons to protect their environment from catastrophes too, including Iran.
To whatever decision Obama makes it remains a fact that with each passing hour this environmental catastrophe grows worse. And even though Obama has ordered military SWAT teams to protect other oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico from any further attack, and further ordered that all drilling in the Gulf of Mexico be immediately stopped, this massive oil spill has already reached the shores of America and with high waves and more bad weather forecast the likelihood of it being stopped from destroying thousands of miles of US coastland and wildlife appears unstoppable.
And not just to the environmental catastrophe that is unfolding the only devastation to be wrecked upon the United States and South Korea by this North Korean attack as the economic liabilities associated with this disaster are estimated by these Russian reports to be between $500 Billion to $1.5 Trillion, and which only a declaration of this disaster being an “act of war” would free some the World’s largest corporations from bankruptcy.
Important to note too in all of these events was that this was the second attack by North Korea on its South Korean enemy, and US ally, in a month as we had reported on in our March 28th report titled “Obama Orders ‘Immediate Stand-down’ After Deadly North Korean Attack” and which to date neither the Americans or South Korea have retaliated for and giving one senior North Korean party leader the courage to openly state that the North Korean military took “gratifying revenge” on South Korea.
And for those believing that things couldn’t get worse, they couldn’t be more mistaken as new reports coming from Japanese military sources are stating that North Korea is preparing for new launches of its 1,300 kilometer (807 miles) intermediate range ballistic “Rodong” missile which Russian Space Forces experts state is able to “deploy and detonate” an atomic electromagnetic pulse (EMP) device, and which if detonated high in the atmosphere could effectively destroy the American economy for years, if not decades, to come.
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so you think north korea did it.... ok ill go with it. they would do some sneaky shit like that. like peeing in an ice cube tray...

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North Korea would love to do something like this if they wouldn't be caught. But so would many other countries and groups. Did they? Highly unlikely. It would be so easy to tell if the explosion came from inside or outside the rig...if you could locate the damage. The next question would be who. The ramifications of us discovering who is quite a reason for them not to. My bet: this assertion is more overuse of underqualified minds.

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North Korea would love to do something like this if they wouldn't be caught. But so would many other countries and groups. Did they? Highly unlikely. It would be so easy to tell if the explosion came from inside or outside the rig...if you could locate the damage. The next question would be who. The ramifications of us discovering who is quite a reason for them not to. My bet: this assertion is more overuse of underqualified minds.
quite possible because there are tons of tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theory nut balls, but i also think we underestimate the ability and arsenal of north Korea. and with the us military force pre disposed at the moment its good timing. there's always a loop hole that opens when you focus on another. if a power of any kind wanted to get at America it would be brilliant to mess with our already slacking economy. if i were a terrorist and i had limited resources i wouldn't worry about suicide bombs etc, i would have a more ripple effect approach, ever seen fight club? along those lines. or in the crappy movie xxx an attack to confuse and enrage the masses. all highly unlikely but it makes you think. and in the case of Chernobyl, wasn't that an employee error? anything can be dangerous if caution isn't used.

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Yeah, I got that conspiracy blurb from a friend a couple days ago. Of course N Korea and a few other countries would love to hit us like that as was done on 911 etc. But I wonder if N Korea has the technology to deliver the goods at such a distance on something of this scope. Was it a torpedo job or an attached device from a sub? I don't know and of course no one is telling. But for what it's worth, as soon as the rig blew up we had umpteen helos flying in swat teams onto all the rigs in the gulf per our network media.

I'll ping a buddy in Houston that flies helos to the rigs and pick his brain.

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Yeah, I got that conspiracy blurb from a friend a couple days ago. Of course N Korea and a few other countries would love to hit us like that as was done on 911 etc. But I wonder if N Korea has the technology to deliver the goods at such a distance on something of this scope. Was it a torpedo job or an attached device from a sub? I don't know and of course no one is telling. But for what it's worth, as soon as the rig blew up we had umpteen helos flying in swat teams onto all the rigs in the gulf per our network media.

I'll ping a buddy in Houston that flies helos to the rigs and pick his brain.
im not thinking sub, little time to get outta dodge, if anything its a remote detonated charge that was tested and developed over time and left for god knows how long then popped. if it even is that kinda deal. but if you dive deep enough to place the charge theres no way they could patch it. by the time it flows there's too much pressure to weld it. id drill a hole as deep as i could in the supply line then put a plastic explosive in the cavity. and then you have minimal evidence and it could be done with a small inconspicuous crew. if you believe it was that kinda deal and not a mechanical failure.

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North Korea buys all their oil on the open market. They also have a more fragile economy than ours. Would they do something that would most likely raise the price of oil?

Also, I know the U.S. has undersea sensors that locate submarines all over the globe. In U.S. waters it might be nearly impossible to infiltrate without detection...emphasis on might be.

By the way, I heard that the spewing oil was tested and it is a type that is thin and of low toxicity. That's the good news.

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North Korea buys all their oil on the open market. They also have a more fragile economy than ours. Would they do something that would most likely raise the price of oil?

Also, I know the U.S. has undersea sensors that locate submarines all over the globe. In U.S. waters it might be nearly impossible to infiltrate without detection...emphasis on might be.

By the way, I heard that the spewing oil was tested and it is a type that is thin and of low toxicity. That's the good news.
see i didn't know there was a detection system and im guessing its some sort of radar system calibrated to detect large metallic vessels so a composite one man sub? small enough that it could be dismissed as a fish or wale, and i didn't know about Korea's economy either. its fun to think up conspiracy theory's tho lol its all highly unlikely i honestly think a mechanical part failed, shit happens and its terrible that animals have to suffer but its a risk companys take to get that black gold.

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Updated May 07, 2010
Methane Gas Bubble Triggered Deadly Oil Rig Explosion

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As the bubble rose up the drill column from the high-pressure environs of the deep to the less pressurized shallows, it intensified and grew, breaking through various safety barriers.


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May 7: The Q4000, center, which has lowered the oil containment vessel to the sea floor, is seen at sunset from the offshore supply vessel Joe Griffin, at the site of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill containment efforts in the Gulf of Mexico off the coast of Lousiana.

ON THE GULF OF MEXICO -- The deadly blowout of an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico was triggered by a bubble of methane gas that escaped from the well and shot up the drill column, expanding quickly as it burst through several seals and barriers before exploding, according to interviews with rig workers conducted during BP's internal investigation.
While the cause of the explosion is still under investigation, the sequence of events described in the interviews provides the most detailed account of the April 20 blast that killed 11 workers and touched off the underwater gusher that has poured more than 3 million gallons of crude into the Gulf.
Portions of the interviews, two written and one taped, were described in detail to an Associated Press reporter by Robert Bea, a University of California Berkeley engineering professor who serves on a National Academy of Engineering panel on oil pipeline safety and worked for BP PLC as a risk assessment consultant during the 1990s. He received them from industry friends seeking his expert opinion.
Seven BP executives were on board the Deepwater Horizon rig celebrating the project's safety record, according to the transcripts. Meanwhile, far below, the rig was being converted from an exploration well to a production well.
Workers set and then tested a cement seal at the bottom of the well. Then they reduced the pressure in the drill column and attempted to set a second seal below the sea floor. A chemical reaction caused by the setting cement created heat and a gas bubble which destroyed the seal.


Deep beneath the seafloor, methane is in a slushy, crystalline form. Deep sea oil drillers often encounter pockets of methane crystals as they dig into the earth.
As the bubble rose up the drill column from the high-pressure environs of the deep to the less pressurized shallows, it intensified and grew, breaking through various safety barriers, the interviews said.
"A small bubble becomes a really big bubble," Bea said. "So the expanding bubble becomes like a cannon shooting the gas into your face."
Up on the rig, the first thing workers noticed was the sea water in the drill column suddenly shooting back at them, rocketing 240 feet in the air. Then, gas surfaced. Then oil.
"What we had learned when I worked as a drill rig laborer was swoosh, boom, run," Bea said. "The swoosh is the gas, boom is the explosion and run is what you better be doing."
The gas flooded into an adjoining room with exposed ignition sources, he said.
"That's where the first explosion happened," said Bea, who worked for Shell Oil in the 1960s during the last big northern Gulf of Mexico oil well blowout. "The mud room was next to the quarters where the party was. Then there was a series of explosions that subsequently ignited the oil that was coming from below."
According to one interview transcript, a gas cloud covered the rig, causing giant engines on the drill floor to run too fast and explode. The engines blew off the rig and set "everything on fire," the account said. Another explosion below blew more equipment overboard.
BP spokesman John Curry would not comment Friday night on whether methane gas or the series of events described in the internal documents caused the accident.
"Clearly, what happened on the Deepwater Horizon was a tragic accident," said Curry, who is based at an oil spill command center in Robert, Louisiana. "We anticipate all the facts will come out in a full investigation."
The BP executives were injured but survived, according to one account. Nine rig crew on the rig floor and two engineers died.
"The furniture and walls trapped some and broke some bones but they managed to get in the life boats with assistance from others," said the transcript.
The reports made Bea, the 73-year-old industry veteran, cry.
"It sure as hell is painful," he said. "Tears of frustration and anger."
On Friday, a BP-chartered vessel lowered a 100-ton concrete-and-steel vault onto the ruptured well, an important step in a delicate and unprecedented attempt to stop most of the gushing crude fouling the sea.
"We are essentially taking a four-story building and lowering it 5,000 feet and setting it on the head of a pin," BP spokesman Bill Salvin told The Associated Press.
Underwater robots guided the 40-foot-tall box into place in a slow-moving drama. Now that the contraption is on the seafloor, workers will need at least 12 hours to let it settle and make sure it's stable before the robots can hook up a pipe and hose that will funnel the oil up to a tanker.
"It appears to be going exactly as we hoped," Salvin said on Friday afternoon, shortly after the four-story device hit the seafloor. "Still lots of challenges ahead, but this is very good progress."
By Sunday, the box the size of a house could be capturing up to 85 percent of the oil.
The task became increasingly urgent as toxic oil crept deeper into the bays and marshes of the Mississippi Delta.
A sheen of oil began arriving on land last week, and crews have been laying booms, spraying chemical dispersants and setting fire to the slick to try to keep it from coming ashore. But now the thicker, stickier goo -- arrayed in vivid, brick-colored ribbons -- is drawing ever closer to Louisiana's coastal communities.
There are still untold risks and unknowns with the containment box: The approach has never been tried at such depths, where the water pressure is enough to crush a submarine, and any wrong move could damage the leaking pipe and make the problem worse. The seafloor is pitch black and the water murky, though lights on the robots illuminate the area where they are working.
If the box works, another one will be dropped onto a second, smaller leak at the bottom of the Gulf.
At the same time, crews are drilling sideways into the well in hopes of plugging it up with mud and concrete, and they are working on other ways to cap it.
Investigators looking into the cause of the explosion have been focusing on the so-called blowout preventer. Federal regulators told The Associated Press Friday that they are going to examine whether these last-resort cutoff valves on offshore oil wells are reliable.
Blowouts are infrequent, because well holes are blocked by piping and pumped-in materials like synthetic mud, cement and even sea water. The pipes are plugged with cement, so fluid and gas can't typically push up inside the pipes.
Instead, a typical blowout surges up a channel around the piping. The narrow space between the well walls and the piping is usually filled with cement, so there is no pathway for a blowout. But if the cement or broken piping leaves enough space, a surge can rise to the surface.
There, at the wellhead of exploratory wells, sits the massive steel contraption known as a blowout preventer. It can snuff a blowout by squeezing rubber seals tightly around the pipes with up to 1 million pounds of force. If the seals fail, the blowout preventer deploys a last line of defense: a set of rams that can slice right through the pipes and cap the blowout.
Deepwater Horizon was also equipped with an automated backup system called a Deadman. It should have activated the blowout preventer even if workers could not.
Based on the interviews with rig workers, none of those safeguards worked.

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Interesting stuff. Well, I guess this is one way to learn about drilling. Sounds like it's a real battle against the forces of nature.

At this point the dome has failed. Could be three months before the side drill comes in. BP should be paying all those fishermen for their lost livelihood, etc. What a nightmare!

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Yeah, I don't get the three month bit. To me they could sink it in a week or two depending on how deep they want the interceptor to be. I mean just drill into the pipe below the floor and start pumping the magic goo to plug it up.

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Sad, sad sad... for all of us. Particularly America and especially the gulf...

Someday, the people of earth may just recognize that oil, burned or released raw, is just no good for the long term...

We need alternatives.. not disaster capitalism...

Who is against alternatives? Hmmm...
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The Kennedys?

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The Bushes.
Previously known as the Shrubs.

"...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
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FYI

UCSB Press Release: "Underwater Asphalt Volcanoes Discovered by UCSB Scientists "

Natural Oil Seeps in the Gulf of Mexico

EnviroWonk - 10 Largest Oil Spills (The Valdez Doesn't Make the List)

Oil Spills

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Bubbas simple oil spill cleanup solution

YouTube - CWRoberts Presentation 2.wmv

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That would be great if you could fill the gulf with straw and stir it around for a while . Other than that minor difference it's a good idea . And how the hell would they spread it? And how much straw would it take? How long would it float? This is pretty much a pipe dream for such a large area, IMO.

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