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I heard obama

He's campaigning in 57 states!

Or is that the 57 states of Islam....

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I heard him say I will get $1000 for gas if he gets in office.
I want my check....Im a Dem o but I hate blacks....what to do?
I will work some OT and look for the 3rd partay.
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Or is that the 57 states of Islam....
Only the truly ignorant would still think he's muslim. Old Fart better start paying attention or he'll be just another misinformed voter - like we don't have enough already. What a country.

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I heard him say I will get $1000 for gas if he gets in office.
I want my check....Im a Dem o but I hate blacks....what to do?
I will work some OT and look for the 3rd partay.
A thousand dollars is a thousand dollars - it doesn't matter what you use it for. In effect you'd be getting a tax rebate. Sarah Palin already gave Alaska residents a tax rebate when she increased taxes on oil production (even though we end up pay for it at the pump-all corporate taxes are passed on to consumers - something that apparently isn't understood by the average Alaskan). George Bush already gave a tax rebate in the stimulus package. Everyone's giving back our money. Something's wrong with this picture.

I must say...
It's not every day that I hear someone admit they're racist. At least if one is going to be a maggot then it's best to be an honest maggot.

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A thousand dollars is a thousand dollars - it doesn't matter what you use it for.
It matters where it came from.

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In effect you'd be getting a tax rebate.
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George Bush already gave a tax rebate in the stimulus package.
That term "tax rebate" is a bit misleading. In some cases, tax payers got a rebate. In many cases, it was simply income redistribution. I did not get a rebate check. But someone who paid $0 taxes did get my rebate. Technically, perhaps you can still call that a "tax rebate". I mean, a rebate was paid out to someone. Perhaps we could start calling all forms of government welfare a "tax rebate"!


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Damn right!

Obama is proud of his plans to redistribute income and wealth. I can't get behind that. It's completely immoral and unconstitutional (as if that matters anymore).

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I heard today that Osama-Bama's new rebate plan is 40 acres and a mule.......

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You could try f-u-c-k-i-n-g- right off.









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He's campaigning in 57 states!

Or is that the 57 states of Islam....

This thread has got to be a joke, right? I mean, I know this is the "war room" and it's no holds barred and all that, but seriously....it just seems like you're trying too hard to start something. And it's not even about a real issue--at least argue about something meaningful like healthcare reform or something.




So this is a joke right?............
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When Obama isn't reading a speech and instead speaking off the cuff, he isn't such a dynamic speacker anymore. In his recent interview with Bill O'Reilly he came across as unsure of himself, or it may have been that he was constantly trying not to say the wrong thing and the end result was that it made him say the right things in the wrong way.

I don't think the ability to inspire and whip the base into a froth is a requirement to be a good leader, nor does it indicate a good leader if you can. Probably the best speaker of the last century was Adolf Hitler.

I don't think Obama is a bad guy, just not the right person for the job at this time.




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Obama is proud of his plans to redistribute income and wealth. I can't get behind that. It's completely immoral and unconstitutional (as if that matters anymore).

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The U.S. has long been a semi-socialist country. A progressive tax code is part and parcel to the American dream - it's part of what makes America great. Republicans and Democrats both engage in socialism. The percentage varies but they are both on board with this system. So it sounds to me that you really aren't on board with either Democrats, Republicans, or the U.S.A. You are on board with yourself, period. Which calls into question your own morals and understanding of Constitutionality, not to mention patriotism. But at least you and your buds have something to salivate over when you lay blame for everything under the sun on those evil liberals.

I wonder, how do you feel about the head of Lehman Bros., who's average compensation for the 14 (?) years that he was in charge was...(drum roll, please)...$17,000 per HOUR? Do you think it is "moral" that the leaders of large companies make that kind of money? I don't. They are writing their own checks while they lay off people who have two kids at home and are living paycheck to paycheck. There is nothing moral about that and it goes on in almost every large corporation. Yet good people (I call them fools) support this system because of some hardass, unrealistic theory about income redistribution and how unfair it is. Give me a break! They are taking you to the cleaners along with the rest of us. And now we've got a Congress that is nearly as elite as the CEO crowd. They are writing laws to benefit them more than us - yet we are the majority. When are people going to wake up in this country and demand change in Washington? If you've heard the saying, "it takes money to make money", you'll have a leg up on understanding this. Congress and big business are in bed together and we ain't gettin' any. It's high time people like the Lehman dick pay a good 50% tax, maybe more. He actually earned a tiny fraction of what he received. This country is on a dangerous path in terms of compensation and wealth inequality.

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When Obama isn't reading a speech and instead speaking off the cuff, he isn't such a dynamic speacker anymore.
I remember seeing Obama debate Alan Keyes on television. It was when Obama was running for Senator and the Republican opposition went down in the usual Republican scandal. Keyes was thrown in as a replacement. Well, Alan Keyes is a very gifted orator. He mopped the floor with Obama. Obama is introspective and guarded in his responses. He's always been like that.

The point is, would you ever vote for Alan Keyes? Not too many people would - he's pretty extreme in some of his views. So winning a debate means little except that it impresses dumb voters. I expect McCain to win the debates because he replies with talking point answers. They are concise and forceful, just like a debate coach would advise. Personally, I don't care how long it takes for someone to answer the questions as long as I like the answer. Unfortunatley these politicians are somehow adept at avoiding any answers that seem to put the pinch on the average American. We want change but not if it affects us. It's a game that I'm sick of.

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I don't think Obama is a bad guy, just not the right person for the job at this time.
I'll assume that he's not the right guy because of the threat of Islamic extreemist and John McCain's illustrious record of sitting in a cell (sorry John, I respect you but I couldn't resist).

Right after 9/11 I told my wife, "well, with Bush and Cheney in office maybe we did elect the right people."

I could not have been more wrong. They have cost us more than al Qaeda could ever have dreamed of. George Bush has been Osama Bin Laden's best friend. The loss of Afghanistan is nothing to Bin Laden. He knows the economic and other damage that we have self-inflicted on ourselves.

So, I'm not at all sure that another militaristic cowboy is what we need "at this time".

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The U.S. has long been a semi-socialist country. A progressive tax code is part and parcel to the American dream - it's part of what makes America great. Republicans and Democrats both engage in socialism. The percentage varies but they are both on board with this system. So it sounds to me that you really aren't on board with either Democrats, Republicans, or the U.S.A. You are on board with yourself, period. Which calls into question your own morals and understanding of Constitutionality, not to mention patriotism. But at least you and your buds have something to salivate over when you lay blame for everything under the sun on those evil liberals.

I wonder, how do you feel about the head of Lehman Bros., who's average compensation for the 14 (?) years that he was in charge was...(drum roll, please)...$17,000 per HOUR? Do you think it is "moral" that the leaders of large companies make that kind of money? I don't. They are writing their own checks while they lay off people who have two kids at home and are living paycheck to paycheck. There is nothing moral about that and it goes on in almost every large corporation. Yet good people (I call them fools) support this system because of some hardass, unrealistic theory about income redistribution and how unfair it is. Give me a break! They are taking you to the cleaners along with the rest of us. And now we've got a Congress that is nearly as elite as the CEO crowd. They are writing laws to benefit them more than us - yet we are the majority. When are people going to wake up in this country and demand change in Washington? If you've heard the saying, "it takes money to make money", you'll have a leg up on understanding this. Congress and big business are in bed together and we ain't gettin' any. It's high time people like the Lehman dick pay a good 50% tax, maybe more. He actually earned a tiny fraction of what he received. This country is on a dangerous path in terms of compensation and wealth inequality.
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The U.S. has long been a semi-socialist country. A progressive tax code is part and parcel to the American dream - it's part of what makes America great. Republicans and Democrats both engage in socialism. The percentage varies but they are both on board with this system. So it sounds to me that you really aren't on board with either Democrats, Republicans, or the U.S.A.
You are correct - I am not on board with present-day Democrats or Republicans. What's the difference? When considering the scale of the problems we face as a nation, the differences between the Republicans and Democrats are virtually non-existent. In this election, we have a choice between the most liberal Democrat Senator and the most liberal Republican Senator. Oooooh, exciting! I don't think it matters much for the future of our nation which one we choose -- either one will give us a bigger government that we don't need and can't afford.

Yes, I agree we've been becoming more socialist for the last hundred years or so, but I think that's exactly why we're in such bad shape. And this past week or so we've taken a huge step further down the drain.

The progressive income tax has been with us for awhile, but our country has spent more time without it than with it, so don't pretend that's what the founding fathers had in mind, or that's it's been the norm for our nation since it's inception.
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You are on board with yourself, period. Which calls into question your own morals and understanding of Constitutionality, not to mention patriotism. But at least you and your buds have something to salivate over when you lay blame for everything under the sun on those evil liberals.
That's not cool, man.

Here's what I believe:
1) Individuals know best how to spend their own money, and individuals are more charitable when they are allowed to keep their own money.
2) Private charities and organizations solve problems more efficiently than government.

Therefore, I believe my family, my neighborhood, my community, and society as a whole is better off when tax rates are lower and there is less government interference in all aspects of our lives.

Quick hypothetical: If "they" returned $10,000 of the taxes you paid last year, you might keep it all for yourself and your family. I doubt that, though. We know you wouldn't give any to a church, but I bet you'd spread some of it around to local charities like Boys & Girls Club or organizations like Wounded Warriors. I also know you would not donate even $1 of it to the CEO of Lehman Bros to bail him out of trouble.

If you, as an individual, think it's a better idea for the government to steal that $10,000 from you and give it directly to Lehman Bros, then I think something is wrong with you. I can understand why you, as a politician, would like to take other people's money and distribute it as you see fit, and that's the evil of politics. But, I don't see how they convince you as an individual to go along with that plan.

I think it's no coincidence that Conservatives are more charitable than Liberals. Liberals love to solve problems using other people's money (no strings attached there, right?). But they aren't so keen to step up to the plate with their their own money. Conservatives believe in personal responsibility and the ability of each individual to make the right decisions, both for himself and for society as a whole. Call me crazy, but you just have to read a newspaper to see that your way isn't working.

And please note, I'm talking Conservative vs. Liberal, NOT (R) vs. (D). I believe 99% of Washington (not just the Dem party) is operating on the liberal end of the spectrum as it relates to this conversation.
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I wonder, how do you feel about the head of Lehman Bros., who's average compensation for the 14 (?) years that he was in charge was...(drum roll, please)...$17,000 per HOUR? Do you think it is "moral" that the leaders of large companies make that kind of money? I don't. They are writing their own checks while they lay off people who have two kids at home and are living paycheck to paycheck. There is nothing moral about that and it goes on in almost every large corporation. Yet good people (I call them fools) support this system because of some hardass, unrealistic theory about income redistribution and how unfair it is. Give me a break! They are taking you to the cleaners along with the rest of us. And now we've got a Congress that is nearly as elite as the CEO crowd. They are writing laws to benefit them more than us - yet we are the majority. When are people going to wake up in this country and demand change in Washington? If you've heard the saying, "it takes money to make money", you'll have a leg up on understanding this. Congress and big business are in bed together and we ain't gettin' any. It's high time people like the Lehman dick pay a good 50% tax, maybe more. He actually earned a tiny fraction of what he received. This country is on a dangerous path in terms of compensation and wealth inequality.
I agree with Rocky Mt - those guys should be burned at the stake. Well, they should at least be scared to show their faces in public, and they should never be able to collect another paycheck. But, of course, we're not letting nature take it's course, are we? (Who in their right mind would put any of these guys back in a leadership position? I guess we, the taxpayers will...)

And I think you're making a mistake with your logic. What does the source of income have to do with the proper level of taxation?

Sure, some people make a lot of money in dishonest ways. But many good people make a lot of money doing good business. Neither scenario is a justification for increasing tax rates. Bill Gates has made a lot of money, but you don't think he's a criminal, do you? (I mean before Vista.) He's probably the most charitable person in the world, and somehow he's able to do that without some government managing his money for him. Do you think the government should take even more of his money in taxes, and thereby reduce the amount that his charity has to work with? Does Bill Gates owe you something? I think not.

Joe Biden recently said it was "patriotic" to pay more taxes. Don't we all have the option of voluntarily paying more income tax than the minimum required? I wonder how much extra money Joe has been sending the IRS lately? I have a feeling he's more like Charles Rangel than Mother Teresa. He certainly isn't giving anything to charity:
Joe Biden and American Charity by Byron York on National Review Online

(What a douche. That guy should be embarrased - he makes Obama and Kerry look generous! Like Al Gore trying to change the way YOU live instead of the way HE lives -- Biden has plenty of ideas when it comes to spending YOUR money, while he's awfully stingy with HIS OWN money!)

If you're honest about it, the "rich" are the only ones who really pay taxes anyway, and they pay well more than their "fair share". Raising the tax rate on anybody is always a bad idea. I know it doesn't make sense, but the rich are actually paying more taxes now than they were before W's "tax cuts for the rich". (Actually, it makes perfect sense once you admit that it wasn't really a "tax cut for the rich"):
http://www.house.gov/jec/news/2008/July/pr110-45.pdf

Regarding the most recent bailouts, I once again agree with Dr. Paul. While everyone else in Washington is tripping over themselves trying to pin the blame on the "free market" failings, he explains that it was (and is) another case of too much government intervention that got us here in the first place, and will continue to make it worse:
Commentary: Bailouts will lead to rough economic ride - CNN.com

I'd encourage you to spend $10 and two hours of your time to read Paul's book, "The Revolution: A Manifesto". It's a quick read and a good history lesson, and I bet you'll agree with more than you want to admit! I'm sure we agree on most things - I just don't see the difference between the two parties anymore, or the need for such a large ineffective debt-ridden nanny-state government.

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Damn, do you have to make your posts so long?

Good post though.

1. Both parties like to spend money, that's for sure. The difference is in what and where they spend it. Personally, it's the social issues that drive me away from Republicans. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative, a Blue Dog Democrat type, except I'm independent.

2. Good point about who is best to spend their money. Generally I tend to agree, but it takes a central government to get things done vis-a-vis infrastructure, defense, regulation, and on and on all the way to food stamps. Taxes are a necessity, the only valid arguement is how much and where. I could give you all kinds of ideas about that but until one of us is a Senator or something I don't think we really understand what goes into making those kind of decisions. I'll bet it's way more complicated than this sort of arm chair governance that Speedzilla blowhards engage in. Also, I don't think there are nearly enough charitable organizations in existance to deal with what the U.S. government deals with. And if there were, the inevitable chicanery such as we see in the financial markets would infest those charitable orgs. Government can regulate and catch crooks when it is structured properly. Privatization and deregulation is a license to steal and cut corners. There's so much more to it but I gotta go pick up my kids.

On Biden: So? The explanation given by his rep. is satisfactory. I never have judged someone on how much they gave to charity and I'm not about to start now. Charity is so much more than dollars and cents, especially when tax deductions and the fear of God are prime motivators for giving.

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You are correct - I am not on board with present-day Democrats or Republicans. What's the difference? When considering the scale of the problems we face as a nation, the differences between the Republicans and Democrats are virtually non-existent.

Nice, deny your vote and your choice, slink away with the rest of the rats. What a terrible exhibition of blatant hypocrisy. How about the main difference between the two is that the right wing, conservative, republican party IS a bunch of racist, sexist, lying, cheating, greedy bastards. How about the Bush doctrine? How about the impressive list of failures racked and stacked up to the clouds? How about universal healthcare? How about that? Just for starters!
You try to lump them in together yet you criticize mainly the Dems. I smell a closet Rush fan.
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In this election, we have a choice between the most liberal Democrat Senator and the most liberal Republican Senator. Oooooh, exciting! I don't think it matters much for the future of our nation which one we choose -- either one will give us a bigger government that we don't need and can't afford.

You were lecturing us about what the US can afford last year wern't you? Now, on YOUR man's watch, the failurre is just splendid isn't it? Run to the middle little boy, start your pontifications from the libertarian fence, point the finger, deny your previous actions. Call yourself whatever you like but you quack like a Neo-Pub.

Yes, I agree we've been becoming more socialist for the last hundred years or so, but I think that's exactly why we're in such bad shape. And this past week or so we've taken a huge step further down the drain.

Of course, if you had have kept all your money over the last 100 years you could be from a rich family, maybe huh? Who needs things like infrastructure, education, culture. The "down the drain" is your idea of where you are right now? Haha, ya your right wingers should have been able to keep ALL the MONEY... yeah, you woudn't feel good unless you could know that your friends see you putting your penny in the poor man's cup.

The progressive income tax has been with us for awhile, but our country has spent more time without it than with it, so don't pretend that's what the founding fathers had in mind, or that's it's been the norm for our nation since it's inception.
I didnt see you protesting when the founding father life's work was being shat upon and sold to a group of closed bidders. Where the hell were you? Oh, right, selling your "I want to keep all the money" philosophy!

Here's what I believe:
1) Individuals know best how to spend their own money, and individuals are more charitable when they are allowed to keep their own money.
You Sir, are full of poop. Keeping money makes you charitable... just plain wackey stuff.
2) Private charities and organizations solve problems more efficiently than government.
Me thinks you're writing from a compound in Waco or Ruby Ridge. I suppose, if you're addressing the wing jobs, you're hot stuff Baas, but you've got other people here who read what you write and really think about it. I have done that, despite the fact the you have me on ignore, and I can see you are really just a closet elitist with imprinting that rivals the high art in the primitive, aboriginal caves of the outback.

Therefore, I believe my family, my neighborhood, my community, and society as a whole is better off when tax rates are lower and there is less government interference in all aspects of our lives.
And you support a trillion dollar war to illustrate and promote your beliefs to an obscure country in the Middle East.

I think it's no coincidence that Conservatives are more charitable than Liberals.
We dont accept raw, unfiltered, unchallenged Rish Limbaugh data here. It's just such a laughable phenomenon, wing dings rant about, cutting healthcare, social programs, education and taxes and then say they are most generous. If it wasnt putting us on a path to failure, I might just try to laugh along with your "all for one" joke of a philosophy.
Liberals love to solve problems(finally, we agree) using other people's money (no strings attached there, right?).(wrong... the string are attached to the social good of the core of society, something best NOT left to self assured wing jobs who think that they are God's gift to charity) But they aren't so keen to step up to the plate with their their own money. Conservatives believe in personal responsibility and the ability of each individual to make the right decisions, (OH, thats why you didnt "interupt" GWB... got it, you wanted him to be self reliant, wow I see.)both for himself and for society as a whole. Call me crazy, but you just have to read a newspaper to see that your way isn't working.
I can imagine the papers you read.. they have made you crazy. You're just so in love with yourself. Now that the spectacular right wing, conservative, religious, hillbilly failure has run it's course it's now "your way"... hahaha juvenile.

And please note, I'm talking Conservative vs. Liberal, NOT (R) vs. (D). I believe 99% of Washington (not just the Dem party) is operating on the liberal end of the spectrum as it relates to this conversation.

(Who in their right mind would put any of these guys back in a leadership position?) Great question... ask RockyMt & Co.

And I think you're making a mistake with your logic. What does the source of income have to do with the proper level of taxation?
Hahahahahahahahahaa!

Sure, some people make a lot of money in dishonest ways. But many good people make a lot of money doing good business. Neither scenario is a justification for increasing tax rates.
Either are crumbling roads, decline of Health Care, lowering of the Education bar, defense spending? Whatever you do, dont raise taxes, even if the money was made in dishonest ways.
Bill Gates has made a lot of money, but you don't think he's a criminal, do you?
He owes me for the time I wasted with Windows 98.

If you're honest about it, the "rich" are the only ones who really pay taxes anyway, and they pay well more than their "fair share".
Hahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa! You are a fool.

Raising the tax rate on anybody is always a bad idea. heheh
You are a greedy person... Your philosophy has been well presented here. I know you "think" you understand Ron Paul but you dont. You dont know much about human nature or nature itself. You speak like a child of the American Christian, self righteous church. The proof of your right wingism is in the ignoring of the facts, the criticizers and differing views. You do what Palin does, so damn lame. Call off debates, place on ignore, hide from and duck reality. Lie, lie lie lie and lie some more! Stroke and preen yourself in front of a mirror or a roomful of wingalings but avoid and ignore real questions and situations. .. deny reality, controversy and, in a way only children of cultism can do... bury your head in the Iraqi sand... sigh.

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: "Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
`My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
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1. Both parties like to spend money, that's for sure. The difference is in what and where they spend it. Personally, it's the social issues that drive me away from Republicans. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative, a Blue Dog Democrat type, except I'm independent.
I'm telling ya, you should read the book. You'll dig it.

I saw Clinton on CNN last night. Bill, that is. I wasn't a big fan back in the day, but I admit that I like him more and more as time goes by. It sounds like he's doing some good stuff with this CGI. He made some good points about citizenship and working to improve your community without depending on the government:
CNN.com - Transcripts

Obviously you're not a golfer.
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