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post #21 of 32 (permalink) Old 09-25-2008, 04:53 PM
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I remember seeing Obama debate Alan Keyes on television. It was when Obama was running for Senator and the Republican opposition went down in the usual Republican scandal. Keyes was thrown in as a replacement. Well, Alan Keyes is a very gifted orator. He mopped the floor with Obama. Obama is introspective and guarded in his responses. He's always been like that.

The point is, would you ever vote for Alan Keyes? Not too many people would - he's pretty extreme in some of his views. So winning a debate means little except that it impresses dumb voters. I expect McCain to win the debates because he replies with talking point answers. They are concise and forceful, just like a debate coach would advise. Personally, I don't care how long it takes for someone to answer the questions as long as I like the answer. Unfortunatley these politicians are somehow adept at avoiding any answers that seem to put the pinch on the average American. We want change but not if it affects us. It's a game that I'm sick of.
That Obama doesn't have all the quick answers to the tough questions is not a bad thing in my book. In fact I couldn't stand Romney because he seemed too polished, too coached. If we needed to elect a head game show host, Mitt would have been the guy.

I agree that Obama appears to be introspective, but IMO you can be both introspective and sure of yourself while doing it. At least in the O'Reilly interview he seemed to be constantly hunting his brain for the right words, he was in enemy territory after all.

The thing I thought about though while watching it was more though how he would be perceived by enemies. If he appears unsure, or if it is sensed that his resolve in his position is not solid, it will be seen as weakness. We might not need any further "for us or against us", but the opposite wouldn't be any better.




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You are a greedy person... Your philosophy has been well presented here. I know you "think" you understand Ron Paul but you dont. You dont know much about human nature or nature itself. You speak like a child of the American Christian, self righteous church. The proof of your right wingism is in the ignoring of the facts, the criticizers and differing views. You do what Palin does, so damn lame. Call off debates, place on ignore, hide from and duck reality. Lie, lie lie lie and lie some more! Stroke and preen yourself in front of a mirror or a roomful of wingalings but avoid and ignore real questions and situations. .. deny reality, controversy and, in a way only children of cultism can do... bury your head in the Iraqi sand... sigh.

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ZZZZZZZZZ, More of the same "If you don't agree with me (and my socialist dogma) it's because you are too ignorant to understand these higher concepts" Tell me son, do you ever get a little light headed waaaaaay up there on your tower of knoweledge and righteousness?
And the dialog is always the same, "we" are 100% correct, and if you call our "facts" into question it's because you're either too stupid to understand, or just another tool of the neocons. The reality as I see it is whenever I bother to debate "facts" with "progressives" (which way are they "progressing", down?) they all simply parrott the same talking points but when hard pressed to think for themselves, they start with the tired ad-hominim personal attacks to subvert the dialog, sad really, as there are pressing problems that need bi-partisan soloutions, but without removing the Al (gag!) Gore sunglasses and the Michael (puke!) Moore(on) rhetoric, nothings gonna get done....

-Rocky-

PS. Just wondering, were you an only child?

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I'll assume that he's not the right guy because of the threat of Islamic extreemist and John McCain's illustrious record of sitting in a cell (sorry John, I respect you but I couldn't resist).

Right after 9/11 I told my wife, "well, with Bush and Cheney in office maybe we did elect the right people."

I could not have been more wrong. They have cost us more than al Qaeda could ever have dreamed of. George Bush has been Osama Bin Laden's best friend. The loss of Afghanistan is nothing to Bin Laden. He knows the economic and other damage that we have self-inflicted on ourselves.

So, I'm not at all sure that another militaristic cowboy is what we need "at this time".
And your assumption would be wrong.

At least since I've been voting, for once we have two Presidential candidates where at least one is not a scumbag or professional liar. These are two "good guys" in my opinion. So for once personal dislike for a candidate isn't a contributing factor, and the issues can take over. (This only applies to McCain & Obama, Biden is a scumbag/liar and deal breaker for me)

On the issues, Obama says many things I like, and a few that are definite deal breakers. McCain and Obama agree on a few of the good things, and McCain has made less distasteful promises.




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sad really, as there are pressing problems that need bi-partisan soloutions, but without removing the Al (gag!) Gore sunglasses and the Michael (puke!) Moore(on) rhetoric, nothings gonna get done....

-Rocky-
Hehe... Bring your gravol and motion sickness bag to your bi-partisan "happy go co-op" meeting with your sworn enemas. Why is only a good idea to be bi-partisan when your failures reach critical mass?

I suppose, in your peanut sized, not working, excuse for a brain(hehe), someone telling you you're failing is equivalent to them telling you what to do? Ok I will, stop supporting failed human beings! Dont do it anymore. Admit it... your party, your religion, your politics, your philosophy is about to get sucked into the void... where it belongs! hehe

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Once again son, when you can't defend the position, attack the messenger. As I stated in another post, the more you rant, parroting socialist dogma, the more you sound like a sheltered little boy, scared of a world you have not only no control over (unlike the video games you play as a substitute for a relationship with a woman) and can't understand. So it must be that everyone else (who's doing well emotionally and financially) must be wrong/corrupt/stupid. Sad, my son, try changing TV stations once in a while, read a different book, better yet, go out into the big bad world and try to address the wrongs you find, and make a difference. But no, you'll go back down in mommys basement and hide We all come across your ilk daily, the "Blame America First" brigade, and when I look who's in it, they're ALL THE SAME, underacheaving, social misfits who finally found a group to hang with.

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And your assumption would be wrong.

At least since I've been voting, for once we have two Presidential candidates where at least one is not a scumbag or professional liar. These are two "good guys" in my opinion. So for once personal dislike for a candidate isn't a contributing factor, and the issues can take over. (This only applies to McCain & Obama, Biden is a scumbag/liar and deal breaker for me)

On the issues, Obama says many things I like, and a few that are definite deal breakers. McCain and Obama agree on a few of the good things, and McCain has made less distasteful promises.
Okay, second guess: He has a muslim name and our enemies are muslim. I think Rocky has a tin foil hat for you.

You're right about these two candidates. Except for Palin and abortion, I would be happy with either one. Presidents are never saviors though - they always fall below expectations because expectations are unreasonable.

I'd like to hear how Biden is a scumbag. I've never heard that from anyone that he works with and I know for a fact he's a good family man. The only rap I've heard on him is that he puts his foot in his mouth at times and that "he got less votes than Sarah Palin" .

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Once again son, when you can't defend the position, attack the messenger. -Rocky-
Yeah, I caught another ferry doing the same thing in another thread. See:

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No Sally, YOU'VE shattered OUR hope in the youth of today. If 1% of the population of your 3rd world backwater of a country thought like you, you'd be wearing burkas by now..........

-Rocky-
Oops, I guess it was YOU (unless there are two Rocky's here - maybe there are - one with a tin foil hat, possibly ).

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Rocky has a tin foil house. With a plastic anti-aircraft system to protect him from the Socialist invasion forces that are currently bankrupting America and eating up Wall Street, and are melting the glaciers at the same time just to spite him.

Rocky rocks !

But at least he's honest in his conservatively conservative world-view.
He may be wrong, but at least he's honestly wrong.

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Sometimes I think we're all wrong.
(Except for God, Bush and Sarah. They are perfect. )

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And Harvey Mushman, he's my hero.............

-Rocky-

PS. Tell me ya wouldn't bag Sarah if ya had the chance, "doncha know......"

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I could give you all kinds of ideas about that but until one of us is a Senator or something I don't think we really understand what goes into making those kind of decisions. I'll bet it's way more complicated than this sort of arm chair governance that Speedzilla blowhards engage in.
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After watching them in action this week, I think you are giving them too much credit!

Apparently the decision-making process goes like this: I object! I object until you throw me a bone, and then I'll agree!

According to the article below, the bailout bill has gone from 3 pages to 102 pages in one week. I doubt the extra 99 pages are detailed instructions on how to SPEND LESS money (nobody has called it the $601 billion bailout yet)! If you give every member of Congress a few million dollars to play with, I reckon you can pass anything:
Bailout bill, once 3 pages, swells in length - Yahoo! News

I listened to the first nine minutes of the debate tonight and then I turned it off. According to everything I've seen, the American public does NOT favor this bailout. But the two guys we're choosing for President will not even acknowledge that fact. They were tripping over themselves to point out the benefits of the bailout and take credit for it, but they ignored the fact that we don't need it and we don't want it! Is that the kind of leadership we're supposed to get excited about? Are we supposed to clap when they deliver a bailout "compromise" next week that looks like a Christmas tree with all the extra ornaments on it (as McCain would say)?

Obviously you're not a golfer.
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I might have jumped the gun a bit on this one. While I definitely think it's a terribly un-American action for our Government to be involved in, it also sounds like the bill they vote on this week is a lot better than what Paulson/Bush asked for. It'll be interesting to see what kind of pet projects were included in the fine print.

It's funny how they slipped the $25B package for car manufacturers in (including Honda and Nissan) while everybody was looking the other way at the Wall Street bailout. All of a sudden, $25 billion doesn't seem like such a big deal!

Obviously you're not a golfer.
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