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So why did they think we were entering another ice age in the 70's? What was that based on?
Bad journalism, at Time, I believe.

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If you think (that MAY be an oxymoron..) that there is "big money" in the Green economy, you should see how much there is in keeping you and the other Deniers stupid, ignorant and brainwashed.

The Green Economy isn't even a drop in the melting Polar ice belt compared to the vast sums the sneering elites will throw to keep you ignorant and consuming.
So, so true. Just think of all the infrastructure that these big corps have set up. To maximize profits they want to use that investment as long as possible. That is the only thing that matters to them, profits. They will say or do whatever they have to for the status quo to continue. And it gets lapped up by a bunch of sick puppies who don't think about things like that.

Good point, Kiwi.

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While you two are sitting in a tub of peanut butter mastubating to a photo of Al Gore in a thong pretending to be sweating to the effects of Global Warming, explain what the US should be doing in order to reduce its dependency on foreign oil.
Build nuclear reactors...no, environmentalists won't allow it even though their power sends our Navy out to sea for years without the consumption of any oil in ships powered by that technology.
Drill for oil? No, environmentalists won't allow that either.
Pissing and moaning about fuel costs? Environmentalists won't allow construction of fuel refineries which would lower cost to the consumers...meaning us.
I guess everyone expects us all to be riding around in hybrid/electric vehicles or just plain riding around on tricycles. You can't have it both ways. America is powered by fuel just like everyone else is.

If you think that the right wing of this nation's politicians are the only ones benefiting from big oil, you're sorely mistaken. I am fairly confident that in DC there are plenty of libs with dirty hands too. Save us the lilly white sheet arguement that the left is the only side that cares about the planet. When it comes to making money off the public, there's plenty of blame to throw around on both sides.

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We're all benefiting from "big oil". Oil is our "gimmie", "goto" and "get there" commodity. We're all addicted to it. It's a fantastic source of energy and we've done very well(pardon the pun) to refine it, transport it and put it to work for us in an cheap and effortless way. It isnt sustainable... and thats the problem. Profits be dammed and convenience suffers or we're all going to get fuggy diseases, rotten quality water, vile air and no critters around us. If you think the eco system cant be mismanaged then you dont know much about human nature. A lot of "capitalists" forget that half of America is still it's natural beauty. It remains there no thanks to them. More great heroes are needed to save the lot. Not more Glen Becks and Rush Limbaughs.

Better not fvck up nature in the first place, you know, AVOID catastrophe instead of denying it's likelihood or goading it to happen in blissful overconfidence and misinformation. Laughing off the disappearance of and entire specie's habitat is reprehensible stupidity. There are plenty of good examples in history and plenty good science to remove any excuse for denying the immediate attention regarding the environment.

Of course, if your life is black and white, us and them... you may have to just continue on with your nonsense. Imprinting and all that...
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Think whatever you like, but until the oil is mostly gone or significantly more expensive to the point that greener technology is more profitable we are not going to change much. That's reality, the here and now, and the next 20+ years. So sorry. Coal is cheap and plentiful and will play a big role in US and other's energy production for a long time to come. It may get a little "cleaner" but it does not matter waht you think about it because it is not going away. Sorry. Unless environmentalists in the US stop blocking progress in nuclear power plant proliferation the air is only going to get dirtier and the climate colder apparently because of all those melting icebergs. Build all the windmills you want, they still will ammount to less than 10% energy production for a very long time, cap and trade be damned. Reality is a bitch.
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Bad journalism, at Time, I believe.
Oh come on...really? That's your answer?

How about this article?

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"What happened to global warming?" read the headline -- on BBC News on Oct. 9, no less. Consider it a cataclysmic event: Mainstream news organizations have begun reporting on scientific research that suggests that global warming may not be caused by man and may not be as dire and eminent as alarmists suggest.

Indeed, as the BBC's climate correspondent Paul Hudson reported, the warmest year recorded globally "was not in 2008 or 2007, but 1998." It's true, he continued, "For the last 11 years, we have not observed any increase in global temperatures."

At a London conference later this month, Hudson reported, solar scientist Piers Corbyn will present evidence that solar-charged particles have a big impact on global temperatures.

Western Washington University geologist Don J. Easterbrook presented research last year that suggests that the Pacific decadal oscillation (PDO) caused warmer temperatures in the 1980s and 1990s. With Pacific sea surface temperatures cooling, Easterbrook expects 30 years of global cooling.

EPA analyst Alan Carlin -- an MIT-trained economist with a degree in physics -- referred to "solar variability" and Easterbrook's work in a document that warned that politics had prompted the EPA and other countries to pay "too little attention to the science of global warming" as partisans ignored the lack of global warming over the last 10 years. At first, the EPA buried the paper, then it permitted Carlin to post it on his personal Web site.

In May, Fortune reported on the testimony of University of Alabama-Huntsville Earth System Science Center Director John Christy's before the House Ways and Means Committee. Christy is a 2001 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report signatory who believes human effects have a warming influence, but rejects the disaster scenarios.

As Christy told the committee, climate models rely on land temperature data that are distorted and exaggerated by surface development -- that is, asphalt and buildings. In a nice bit of research, Christy, who is also the Alabama state climatologist, debunked the temperature-increase predictions made by NASA scientist James Hansen in 1988. "The real atmosphere," Christy testified, "has many ways to respond to the changes that the extra CO2 is forcing upon it."

Add Christy, Easterbrook and Corbyn to the long list of scientists who see climate as a complex issue rather than an opportunity to sermonize and lecture the general public.

Over the years, global warming alarmists have sought to stifle debate by arguing that there was no debate. They bullied dissenters and ex-communicated non-believers from their panels. In the name of science, disciples made it a virtue to not recognize the existence of scientists such as MIT's Richard Lindzen and Colorado State University's William Gray.

For a long time, that approach worked. But after 11 years without record temperatures that had the seas spilling over the Statue of Liberty's toes, they are going to have to change tactics.

They're going to have to rely on real data, not failed models, scare stories and the Big Lie that everyone who counts agrees with them.
Perhaps the most important paragraph in there was the 5th paragraph down...

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EPA analyst Alan Carlin -- an MIT-trained economist with a degree in physics -- referred to "solar variability" and Easterbrook's work in a document that warned that politics had prompted the EPA and other countries to pay "too little attention to the science of global warming" as partisans ignored the lack of global warming over the last 10 years. At first, the EPA buried the paper, then it permitted Carlin to post it on his personal Web site.
Suppose he is being paid by big oil or something like that, right?


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While you two are sitting in a tub of peanut butter mastubating to a photo of Al Gore in a thong pretending to be sweating to the effects of Global Warming, explain what the US should be doing in order to reduce its dependency on foreign oil.
Now that's a mental pic I could've done w/o.
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Someone mention wind power? Naaah, the kennedy's will have NONE of that (if they can see it from their "compound")...........

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Think whatever you like, but until the oil is mostly gone or significantly more expensive to the point that greener technology is more profitable we are not going to change much. That's reality, the here and now, and the next 20+ years. So sorry. Coal is cheap and plentiful and will play a big role in US and other's energy production for a long time to come. It may get a little "cleaner" but it does not matter what you think about it because it is not going away. Sorry. Unless environmentalists in the US stop blocking progress in nuclear power plant proliferation the air is only going to get dirtier and the climate colder apparently because of all those melting icebergs. Build all the windmills you want, they still will amount to less than 10% energy production for a very long time, cap and trade be damned. Reality is a bitch.
I think you're right about that. It's pretty sad but mostly true. I try to think of it in terms of historical perspective and pre existing conditions. An example is the way cities and countries responded to cholera and other deadly diseases. People realized that poor handling of city run offs and raw sewage on the street was causing terrible diseases to form and spread. The old way of doing doo doos was causing catastrophes and had to change. It did.

Fixing it was expensive and a monumental task however, it was done and now, in the West, we move about our cities without dodging shit piles and suffering the inevitable blights associated with poor planning and unsustainable infrastructures. We now plan our cities with these needs in mind. We dont do this for our energy because it's been so cheap and profitable to just burn away, into the sky and the stream.. out of sight... out of mind.

It is taking a terrible toll.. on everything. We all know it, doesn't take a rocket scientists to understand this. However, to have people lie/deny and cheat reality over profits... well now, that something a scum bag would propagate. No manly man stands by while his ecology is destroyed forever. Only ignorant fools do that. We have plenty to go around it seems.

If people dont see the ice melting, either by chart, graph OR GOING THERE THEMSELVES, what can you do? Listen to them claim polar bears are fine? I say dont listen to stupid people any longer. Bag their sorry asses and send them to Mars... There, they can have an inert situation that doesnt have a delicate balance to contemplate or systems that cannot tolerate greed and ignorance. They would only need to maintain that which they know, their space module and their prejudices...
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"Prejudices" towards wind-bag sheeple who follow socialist dogma blindly (just as their corporate handlers intend them to) Keep lining al bores pockets on "tax 'n trade" while we sell our security down the river of barry's "new america" (ie. europe "light") Sorry gag, gotta do better 'n that son......................

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So we already know that Global Warming isn't making anything warmer, and now we find out that it isn't making more hurricanes?
Quiet Atlantic hurricane season a boon for insurers | U.S. | Reuters

I gotta tell ya... I'm starting to think that Al Gore slideshow might be bullshit.

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Now that's a mental pic I could've done w/o.
OMG I did spew my coffee.
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Anyone bother researching barry's "climate czar"? carol brower (intentional non caps to show disdain and disgust) She is a member of "Citizen Action" and Socialist International's "Commission for a Sustainable World Society" both avowed socialist organizations dedicated to the redistribution of (our) wealth to the rest of the world. Convienently though, SHE earned over FIVE MILLION last year alone as a lobbyest for the Downer McGrath Group, selling climate change profit schemes in D.C. Yeah, THAT'S change I can(t) live with...................(but I guess in gag's world of alternate realitys, this is "progressive" and less "hillbilly" )

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The name's Browner. And heaven forbid that an EP czar should actually care about the environment . We've seen what happens when they don't so all I can say is conservatives have it coming, thanks to Shrub. He's also mostly why Obama got the Nobel. Thanks George.

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So we already know that Global Warming isn't making anything warmer...
Did FUX tell you that? As Kiwi pointed out, NASA says this (since you missed it on page 88):




Figure 1. Global temperature according to NASA GISS data since 1980. The red line shows annual data, the larger red square a preliminary value for 2009, based on January-August. The green line shows the 25-year linear trend (0.19 ºC per decade). The blue lines show the two most recent ten-year trends (0.18 ºC per decade for 1998-2007, 0.19 ºC per decade for 1999-2008) and illustrate that these recent decadal trends are entirely consistent with the long-term trend and IPCC predictions. Even the highly “cherry-picked” 11-year period starting with the warm 1998 and ending with the cold 2008 still shows a warming trend of 0.11 ºC per decade (which may surprise some lay people who tend to connect the end points, rather than include all ten data points into a proper trend calculation).
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Looks pretty plain and clear to me. Maybe your graph is flipped, Baas. Better check that.

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Looks pretty plain and clear to me. Maybe your graph is flipped, Baas. Better check that.
I don't look at all that stuff. I just know it's been getting colder ever since Al Gore got his Nobel Peace Prize (those things sure seem silly now, don't they?).

Last year at this time, I'd go to the mailbox in my boxers and a t-shirt. Today, I had to wear my long sleeve pajamas. How can you argue with that?


And, seriously, my friends who make a living by repairing storm damage had to find new work this year. Not one hurricane came through to supply jobs. Hey, it seemed like a good industry to invest in back when Al Gore was predicting the future...

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It goes back to what's at stake.... and the odds.

We have the gambling right wing who dont understand odds. They prefer to attack people and use force around the world to alienate cultures and wreck economies and infrastructures. Just look at the list of brilliant failures..hehe. What a dreadful combination. Then add the FACT that they deny their own failings, accuse others of committing their mistakes, block remedies and preach alarmist conundrums.. even after the berg is in sight and the ship isnt turning...
We can add their lame ass church infrastructure that doesn't pay taxes and promotes killing people and disobeying the constitution...and, complaining of taxes!

When a group of morons laughs at dreadful, looming disasters, dump them overboard! Dont wait to see another titanic and epic fail. Dont listen to them saying that everyone else is trying to get grant money... Dont listen to ex cigarette lobbyists lecture on oil paid platforms... against doing the smart, prudent and critical moves.

The odds alone should force the recognition that the gamble is dire and stupid. If the "libs" are wrong, we're all out some "grant" $$. If the "idiots" are wrong we suffer endless, fruitless disasters that may spell the end of humanity and mammals. Even the right wing ding-a-lings admit that if the polar ice caps melt, the consequences would be devastating. So, spend some money, be cautious, research, or laugh it of with a beckish limBahaha...
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Gee, sounds like gag's starting to doubt his "science"......

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All pride, party and politic stops at the gates of truth regarding our ecology Rocky. I wouldn't mind being proven wrong or admitting a mistake when it comes to the state of our environment... the state it's in today and what it will be like tomorrow and beyond.
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Don't stop waxing poetic now gag, ya sound like the intro to another bad Star Trek remake..........

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