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post #1041 of 3778 (permalink) Old 11-21-2007, 07:44 PM
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Yeah, about 0.05 more or less. "Yawn."

Keep trying, Bigdogma.

Here, read about what ACTUALLY happened.

RealClimate 1934 and all that

Now, where could this shreiking and gnashing of teeth nonsense have come from ? Oh, look ! Oil be darned !

WorldNetDaily: 'Global warming' shocker – Who's minding thermometers?

If you look at the article, you will see a photo, with a "Gasp !" Commentary on the position of the weather station NEXT to a PLANE ! A Jet PLANE; with a huge JET TURBINE ! That BURNS KEROSENE AND MAY GENERATE HEAT !! THEREFORE ALL THE WEATHER STATIONS IN AMERICA ARE FALSE and the world is actually freezing.

Oh, the jet is an old Russian MIG, that is just for show and hasn't been flown since wayback when ?
Shhhh...don't let the facts get in the way of a good Denier story.....

You desperate denier dork, Bigdogma.
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post #1042 of 3778 (permalink) Old 11-21-2007, 08:38 PM
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Temperature sensors confirm MMGW



"It looks like the Soviet approach to science is taking over the US now. Climate scientists are going to have to choose sides in scientific debates based not on empirical evidence subjected to the scientific method, but on whether they want to succeed in their careers.

Want a life? Say global warming is real. Want to end up working as a substitute science teacher? Say what you really think."

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Want a life? Say global warming is real. Want to end up working as a substitute science teacher? Say what you really think."
Want to live? Say GW is real. Let stop the dingaling non thinkers before they can teach more substitution of science.
Imagine trying to claim it's about careers when the cronyism and religious pandering is MAXED out under this failed, dumbest administration in US history! Making an exact opposite claim of what is really going on. Wow, staggering but old and transparent... sigh.
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LK (neo-amish) and his little branch Algorian buddy GOG checking in...how nice. You boys get so riled up I can hear you stammering.

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The desperation of you Deniers is staggering, beyond description, beyond belief.
Based on a photo of one of thousands of weather stations across the continent, Global Warming / Climate Change is "bunk" ?

Now, I don't want to be picky, but don't you think that you are clutching at straws, here, chaps ?
The sweat of your desperation is sliding into your little beady eyes, affecting your ability to see clearly. Look at that photo, if you want just ONE example of your many and obvious failings. Tell me what you see, based on the fact that it's one of thousands of stations that feed into a network which relys on a multitude of sources for it's accuracy. Go on, wipe the sweat and look at that photo. Tell me that all it's readings over the last thirty or so years are innaccurate, and why.
You can also give me some hints for how to keep my incinerator or BBQ that clean.

Nero, as is so often the case, you didn't even bother going to a site which has probably the most accurate information around. Read the comments and see all the Worlds leading specialists as they argue and discuss. I'm sorry, you won't find much junk science there, because junk scientists usually last as long as a chunk of melting Greenland pack ice.
Reality and scientific fact have that effect.

Too bad that you're too blind to see.
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The desperation of you Deniers is staggering, beyond description, beyond belief.
Yea that's US.

Simply put, even in the MOST liberal courtroom, if you treated MMGW as a criminal case you'd lose...........terribly.
As there isnt sufficient data/proof stating anything beyond the shadow of a doubt.

And you foreigners are pissed cuz the taxpayers of the BIGGEST 'would be' contributor wants more proof before they dive into some BS treaty?

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Re-read my above statement, XFBO.
If MMGW was in a court of law, it would have been won a long time ago, as the fraudulent and desperate spinning of the lawyers from Oilly, Waster and Rapine would have been exposed as cynical shills even to the most ignorant of juries.

Put it another way.
Virtually every country and every government on the planet, as well as the vast majority of all serious scientific and informed people are convinced that it is a serious, factually supported issue worthy of immediate response.
Not only that, you only have to step out your front door to see that something isn't "right". This month, Monday was the coldest day in November in recorded History in France. Today is the hottest day in recorded history in November in France. We went from - 6 C to + 14 C.
But of course, this is just normal.

Which part of "Mankind-influenced Global Climate Change" are you having problems with ?

What does it take for you people to start thinking ? To be dragged out of your ideological dead-ends and Laz-e-boys and start to actually think, pushing aside the screeds of desperate self-interest group propaganda that is blocking your eyes, ears and clogging your lungs, and SEE, really see that there is something happening, anyone using the slightest hint of logical thinking and rational thought SHOULD be able to see it, then try to understand it and work together to either solve it (doubtful..) lessen it's effects, or adapt to it's inevitable results.
One of it's "inevitable results" is the ending of all life on the planet. Think that's just "liberal alarmism ?" Dude, it's got nothing to do with politics ! (despite what some spinners want you to think..and the inevitable self-interest groups from BOTH spectrums of political idiocy..) It's got everything to do with survival.

Does this mean that some people are simply getting on the pro or con bandwagon to make cash ? Surely.
Does this mean that we, as a race (you are NOT unique on this planet, chum, no matter what you like to think..) are going to need to get informed and understand better how little actions can have big effects ? Yup. (Here is reason numero uno why the Deniers and the forces behind them like you as dumb, ignorant mewling and blind puppies in their comforting darkness...)
Does this mean that the days of big industry just pumping their waste into lakes, oceans, landfills or the sky is at last going to be over ? Yup.
Is this going to be a bad thing ? Nope.
Is it going to cost people jobs ? Maybe. But....I'll give an example of wasteful or narrow-focus companies getting rude shocks.
When the rest of the civilised world that wasn't held in the fangs of the war-machine realised that the Soviet threat wasn't, and that the Chinese were still a long way off, the defense industries bitched and moaned as the governments switched budgets into schools, health and other interesting things. "Oh, woe is us !" whimpered the poor industrials, as they watched all that easy loot dry up. Then the brighter ones started diversifying, changing focus, creating and innovating. Many times companies that anticipated layoffs and closing of factories, by use of Human ingenuity, swung their fortunes around. Companies making laser rangefinders for MBT's switched to making civil precision laser and optical equipment, high focus combat simulation generators were switched over into computer game creators, and the "Doom, doom.." industry found itself going "Boom, boom..." but in a good sense...

You're capable of thinking, XFBO, so think.
It won't turn you into a Liberal, but a clever Conservative is the next best thing.......

And while you are thinking, you can examine all the "proof" that has been assembled on these 1000 or so pages. Thinking won't kill you, XFBO, ignorance will.

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Just argue the facts, then.
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Just argue the facts, then.

Why ? They've rarely been part of this thread before !

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Why ? They've rarely been part of this thread before !

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What is this picture supposed to prove, exactly?


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What is this picture supposed to prove, exactly?
Im no college professor or anything but Im thinking inaccurate temp sensor readings, due to two heat sources that are so close?

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Not that there's anything wrong with being a college professor.

I see a barrel, but there is no reason to be sure that it's used for burning anything, that it has ever been used in that spot or that that temp measurements were recorded while it was hot. Seriously.

Why would anyone put a burn barrel on a wood pallet?
Why isn't the pallet charred?
Why isn't the paint on the side of the barrel burned off?

What's the relevance of the tennis court? I would assume that temp measurements are looking at series of measurements and changes over time. Whether the sesnor is 100 feet from a tennis court, on a grassy field, next to a lake or in the woods is immaterial.


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247. Stop being logical, please. It makes the Denier's and Flat-Earther's brain's hurt, and risks a neural synapse overload, as reality and common-sense begin to roll-back the turgid layers of right-wing sludge that clogs their minds.
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247. Stop being logical, please. It makes the Denier's and Flat-Earther's brain's hurt, and risks a neural synapse overload, as reality and common-sense begin to roll-back the turgid layers of right-wing sludge that clogs their minds.
turgid layers ? very dramatic for a neo-Amish.

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I see a barrel, but there is no reason to be sure that it's used for burning anything, that it has ever been used in that spot or that that temp measurements were recorded while it was hot. Seriously.
Seriously, only you guys can make these arguments....if it was us you'd be laughing right now, as I am.


Why would anyone put a burn barrel on a wood pallet?
So the grass doesnt catch on fire?


Why isn't the pallet charred?
You can see beneath the barrel? You're special.


Why isn't the paint on the side of the barrel burned off?
Tough paint???? Are you serious?


What's the relevance of the tennis court?
Thermal heat generator maybe?
Dude you dont keep your thermostat in the kitchen do you?


I would assume that temp measurements are looking at series of measurements and changes over time. Whether the sesnor is 100 feet from a tennis court, on a grassy field, next to a lake or in the woods is immaterial.
Seriously, I dont know how accurate my replies are but I know they're not nearly as far fetched as yours were and pretty sure even you could of came up with those possible answers with some thought, if you werent driven so much by denial for the truth.

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XFBO, it's nothing to do with "denial of the truth", it's quite the opposite.
I mean, look at your response, and look at the pictures posted. Even better read the report, then read it's placing into context by professionals.
All the links are in my last few posts.

This argument you hold up to disprove MMGW is a piddly little straw-man, and it's just been burnt in a Humankind-influenced Global Climate Change drought flash-fire.

Why are you unable to look at the argument rationally ? Why are you unable to see that you are being manipulated, and why are you unable to see by who ?
As I said in, I think, my third or forth post on this subject, it's NOT about politics (although the issue has been hijacked by self-interest groups from BOTH sides of the political and ideological spectrum....) it's ALL about survival. Not "survival of the fittest", but survival. Point.
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Have you ever had a burn barrel?

It get really, really hot, particularly if it had a lid on it. The paint would burn off almost immediately, and it would char the pallet quickly too. It would probably start the pallet on fire before too long. Red hot coals in the bottom of the barrel would do that.



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Seriously, I dont know how accurate my replies are but I know they're not nearly as far fetched as yours were and pretty sure even you could of came up with those possible answers with some thought, if you werent driven so much by denial for the truth.


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