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Smoke some more cigarettes, drink more oil, consume, my darlings, consume ! It's Bartlett time !!!
Spin, baby, spin.

"Bruce Bartlett was a Senior Fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA). From September 1988 to January 1993 he was deputy assistant secretary for economic policy at the U.S. Treasury Department. In 1993 and 1994 he was a Senior Fellow at the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution during which time he became involved in their pro-tobacco campaign. [1]
Bruce Bartlett is also a member of the 'Board of Advisers' of the 'Free Market Project' at the Media Research Center (now named the Business & Media Institute).
Bartlett was sacked by the NCPA after he became increasing critical of the economic policy of George W. Bush administration. The New York Times reported that "the decision was made after Mr. Bartlett supplied its president, John C. Goodman, with the manuscript of his forthcoming book, 'The Impostor: How George W. Bush Bankrupted America and Betrayed the Reagan Legacy'."

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Still, at least our Bruce is started slowly to see reality through the murky depths he wallows in. He agree's that Bush is a moron. 1 less booby point.
Now all he has to do is see how much deforestation, ocean dumping, atomic testing, hydrocarbon consumption and massive industrial pollution the Greeks did to have a precise equivalent of the "natural climate change" taking place being the same as it was when Aristotle said to Plato, "Y'know, people can be such jerks, sometimes....they can't see the truth even when it's in front of their noses."
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Liberals are using the concept of Anthropogenic Global Warming to advance their favorite causes, and that the whole War of the Worlds AGW scare is a tool to that end. This piece in LiveScience.com certainly buttresses that opinion.

The Left has traditionally hated Americans eating red meat and driving their cars, and now we are told that, in order to ``save the planet`` we should eschew both! This from the article:

In a little-noticed scientific paper in 2005, Paul Higgins, a scientist and policy fellow with the American Meteorological Society, calculated specific savings from adopting federal government recommendations for half an hour a day of exercise instead of driving.

The average person walking half an hour a day would lose about 13 pounds a year. And if everyone did that instead of driving the same distance, the nation would burn a total of 10.5 trillion calories, according to the scientist, formerly with the University of California at Berkeley.

At the same time, that would cut carbon dioxide emissions by about the same amount New Mexico produces, he said.

"The real bang for the buck in reducing greenhouse gas emissions was from the avoided health expenses of a sedentary lifestyle,'' said Higgins.

But it's not just getting out of the car that's needed, said Dr. Robert Lawrence of the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health. A diet shift away from heavy meat consumption would also go far, he said, because it takes much more energy and land to produce meat than fruits, vegetables and grains.

Recent studies support that argument. Last year the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization reported that the meat sector of the global economy is responsible for 18 percent of the world's greenhouse gas emissions.

Much of that is indirect, including the fertilizer needed to grow massive amounts of feed for livestock, energy use in the whole growing process, methane released from fertilizer and animal manure, and transportation of the cattle and meat products.

So, America`s general lifestyle is to blame for Global Warming-not just our use of fossil fuels, but the way we eat and how we choose to live our lives. Changing our lifestyle seems to be a primary goal:

As for fighting obesity and global warming by walking and cycling, don't expect people to do it easily, said Kristie Ebi. She's a Virginia public health consultant and one of the lead authors of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report.

Now, why did the IPCC need a public health consultant, and why was she one of the "leading authors" of the IPCC?

Does it not seem obvious that transforming our way of life is the critical point of all this?

Can any informed person continue to doubt that this issue is primarily a political power grab?
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What's odd about this is that Timothy Birdbrain is NOT an "informed person". He's a "righter" for the "American Non-Thinker" and Creationist monkey, who wouldn't know reality if it looked like a Tyranosaurus and climbed out of the Ark.

Pharyngula:dance, Birdnow, dance!

He pooh-pooh's down his little, out-of-joint nose at the preposterous idea that stopping eating red meat would somehow save the planet. Which, of course, is absolutely right.
No cattle herds, massive reductions in methane (Numero uno Greenhouse gas, peeps !!), massive reductions in wasted energy in getting that tender sirloin onto your plate so you can die of heart disease earlier, and minimal deforestation to make all that land available for McBeef cattle grazing. More CO2 sinks in the forests, less reflected light from all those fields leading to less desertification...etc, etc, etc...
Vegetable based crops would feed the World, and well managed poultry and seafood stocks would also encourage healthy colons, not to mention ensuring square meals for every Human that shares this planet.:twocents

Sorry, my dear Birdbrain, but the primary aim of increasing awareness of Global Climate Change is to save the stupid, arrogant, resistant-to-reality, hormone-fattened steak-eating birdbrained wuckfits like YOU and the "American Thinker" (oxymoron !) readers from dragging all life on the planet down to your level. Which is, as Johnny Rotten once screeched "No Future for youuuuu..."

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Global warming alarmists have made a big deal out of North Pole ice melting and polar bears suffering due to climate change. Before they mouth off again, they should look at a new NASA study.

From 2002 to 2006, scientists and researchers from NASA and the University of Washington's Polar Science Center at the Applied Physics Laboratory observed a meaningful ongoing reversal in Arctic Ocean circulation.

The cause is atmospheric circulation changes that vary in decade-long periods and the effect is, well, let the scientist who led the study explain it:

"Our study confirms many changes seen in upper Arctic Ocean circulation in the 1990s were mostly decadal in nature, rather than trends caused by global warming," said the University of Washington's James Morison.

But listening to the ecozealots and Al Gore acolytes, one would think the North Pole was melting because too many conservatives drive too many SUVs and don't have enough social responsibility to tame their wicked fossil-fuel burning ways.

This isn't the first time that real science has exposed hyperbole concerning melting ice at the North Pole. In August 2000, the New York Times ran an apocalyptic story that said the pole was free of ice for the first time in 50 million years.

"It was retracted three weeks later as a barrage of scientists protested that open water is common at or near the pole at the end of summer,"writes environmental scientist Pat Michaels.

"Further, it's common knowledge in the scientific community that there has been no net change in Arctic temperatures in the last 70 years."

Apparently unwilling to learn its lesson, the Times published a fretful story Oct. 2 about Arctic ice loss. Good for shipping across the pole, and fishing and oil exploration in the region. But not so good, the article said, for polar bears that could be in for a "particularly harsh jolt."

The alarmists like to scare the public with harrowing stories of bears drowning when they get trapped on melting ice and can't swim the long distances needed to reach safety. The specter of their extinction has been raised.

So how to explain the increase in the polar bear population from 5,000 in 1950 to 25,000 today, as documented by the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service?

The alarmists are noticeably quiet. Could it be that the facts don't fit with their campaign of exaggerations, half-truths and outright lies?
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... the primary aim of increasing awareness of Global Climate Change is to save ...
Finally, the socialists admit there's an agenda. We all need to stop eating in a way that some find excessive, stop driving cars larger than some determine are adequate, stop consuming at a level some deem too high, and start living to a standard some deem appropriate.


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And CONS have no agenda, right?

CONS don't constantly try to tilt the table in favor of stockholders over employees and citizens in general?

And CONS haven't tried to block every major cultural/human rights advancement made in this country in the last century?

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  • 5 day work week
  • child labor statutes
  • emissions standards for cars
  • seatbelts
  • airbags
  • flouridation of water
  • civil rights for black americans
  • women's sufferage
  • pure food and drug laws
  • breaking up of monopolies
  • required innoculations for schoolchildren
  • occupational safety laws


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quote=DanST4;435733]Finally, the socialists admit there's an agenda. We all need to stop eating in a way that some find excessive, stop driving cars larger than some determine are adequate, stop consuming at a level some deem too high, and start living to a standard some deem appropriate.
It's all in your best interests, Comrade Dan.


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Finally, the socialists admit there's an agenda. We all need to stop eating in a way that some find excessive, stop driving cars larger than some determine are adequate, stop consuming at a level some deem too high, and start living to a standard some deem appropriate.


It's just common sense.

Yeah! Like putting the conserv back into conservative.
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Professor Roger Gottlieb, a leading proponent of religious environmentalism, spoke at Vanderbilt University this past week. Gottlieb, the author of A Greener Faith, maintains that we are to be caretakers of our planet. I certainly agree.

I'm a big fan of clean air and clean water. But this postmodernist environmental movement Gottlieb finds himself in the middle of bears little resemblance to its forerunner, the ecology movement of the 1960s. Back then, Captain Kangaroo simply told us to never throw trash out the window.

Soot-belching factories and straight-pipe waste into rivers were put under the microscope. The government ultimately responded with the EPA, formed in 1970 and tasked with cleaning up the land, air and water that had been abused for so long.

Now, schoolchildren scold their parents because they haven't traded in their incandescent lightbulbs for the depressing yellow light of compact fluorescent bulbs. Environmentalism, which used to simply include anyone concerned about pollution, somehow morphed into radical environmentalism.

Gottlieb and others have taken up the banner of global warming under the guise of religious responsibility. Radical environmentalism has become a religion in and of itself. Its heaven is a utopia in which we all give up our modern conveniences and technological advancement for some austere, Amish-type lifestyle.

Al Gore, the Jim Jones of this new religious cult, preaches doom and gloom from his pettifogger pulpit, all the while living the lifestyle of an energy hog. He actually uses twice the amount of electricity in one month at his Nashville home than the average household uses in an entire year. He has two homes in Tennessee, one in Virginia, at least.

He flies all over the world on his Magical Hysteria Tour, sucking down resources and belching out tons of carbon, all to tell us we need to conserve. We're trying to make ends meet just to afford gas in our cars while Al Gore has a carbon footprint the size of Sasquatch. And no one seems to care.

The Branch Algorians read from the Gospel of Al and never question a word. The movement's devil is carbon dioxide, an essential component of photosynthesis and the substance we all exhale with every breath. Understand this: CO2 is not a pollutant.

However, Gore and the radical environmentalists have been quite successful in convincing people that smog and CO2 are the same. They are not. CO2 has nothing whatsoever to do with the smog or haze we see over our cities. There is absolutely no evidence that CO2 has anything to do with any kind of warming.

The Gore Kool-Aid drinkers will point to "all these scientists" but can't give you one link between CO2 and any kind of climate change. As the founder of The Weather Channel, John Coleman, recently put it, global warming is the greatest scam in history.

When Professor Gottlieb is not writing a guilt-trip treatise on the environment, he's writing about Marxism and how the Soviets just didn't quite get it right.

You see, global warming is the perfect template for Marxism because it's the great equalizer. The wealthier a nation, the more CO2 it produces.

To atone for its sins, it must pay carbon offsets. In other words, the producing nations pay the non-producing or under-producing nations in cash for the sin of emitting a harmless gas. It's beautiful.

The global warming movement is a way to not just confiscate money and wealth from the producers, but because of their guilt, they gladly hand it over. If Karl Marx were still alive, he'd be beaming with pride.


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And CONS have no agenda, right?

CONS don't constantly try to tilt the table in favor of stockholders over employees and citizens in general?
Jeff, if its not too troubling, how many employees do you have?

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Technically, they are independent contractors, not employees, but there are 20 of 'em.


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I don't think the "global warming is a religion" angle is doing too well converting peoples attention away from the truth.

Time to think up another angle to downplay the truth as something "uncool to acknowledge"

Maybe tell us that super hawt women only have sex with people who don't believe in MMGW, or is it back to just GW again...?
I cannot keep up with your flip flopping reasonings to discredit our effect on our environment.

Maybe tell them they they will develop ubber cool super powers from greenhouse gas build up, so burn up that gas, and cut down dem trees!


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Technically, they are independent contractors, not employees, but there are 20 of 'em.
In your next life you should consider law school.

I wont bother with my next question since you pretty much answered it. Thnx anyway.

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thnx bigdog !
That Valentine piece sums them up and gives up some choice one-liners !
Branch Algorians, neo-Amish, pettifoggers and most appropriately, hypocritical energy hogs. Bleh ! Cutter, areavaporizer51, 247, LK....they all make me sick with their smug pseudo intellectualism.
Best quote though ; "CO2 is not a pollutant"...

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A con-servative radio jock surely would know about such things, and a weather-forecaster who has found a great way of complementing his retirement in luxury isn't going to give up the golden years of his life when it's obvious that there are so many gullible people like Nero and the rest who "want to believe", and such wonderful propaganda spinners as Bigdogma to spin the truth out as fast and as far as possible, all leading to book sales and discrete handouts from the oil industry.......

Phil Valentine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You may put this in your pipe and smoke it, Nero. Don't forget, use the links and verify the information. Note, in passing, how virtually none of the facts come from oil company or raving right-wing dinosaur sponsored groups. Now, why is that ??

"The atmospheric concentrations of CO2 and methane have increased by 31% and 149% respectively above pre-industrial levels since 1750. These levels are considerably higher than at any time during the last 650,000 years, the period for which reliable data has been extracted from ice cores. From less direct geological evidence it is believed that CO2 values this high were last attained 20 million years ago.[20] Fossil fuel burning has produced about three-quarters of the increase in CO2 from human activity over the past 20 years. Most of the rest is due to land-use change, in particular deforestation.[21] The present atmospheric concentration of CO2 is about 383 parts per million (ppm) by volume.[22] Future CO2 levels are expected to rise due to ongoing burning of fossil fuels and land-use change. The rate of rise will depend on uncertain economic, sociological, technological, and natural developments, but may be ultimately limited by the availability of fossil fuels. The IPCC Special Report on Emissions Scenarios gives a wide range of future CO2 scenarios, ranging from 541 to 970 ppm by the year 2100.[23] Fossil fuel reserves are sufficient to reach this level and continue emissions past 2100, if coal, tar sands or methane clathrates are extensively used.[24]"

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But of course, this has no effect on the atmosphere, and warming of the planet, no, of course not. It's just like smog was nothing to do with industrial pollution, and the EPA was just Liberals and Marxists bitchin' and moanin'....

"pseudo-intellectualism" ? Is that Denier-speak for "Non-gullible anti-idiot" ? If so, that sums us up to a CO2 molecule.


Edit: Ooops ! I forgot, the Earth is only 6000 years old ! Rapture the turkey !

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imagine that ! A frenchman WITH a religion . Neo-Amish , no doubt .

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imagine that ! A frenchman WITH a religion . Neo-Amish , no doubt .
Still thinking France in next to Austrailia? Maybe you think New Zealand is next to Spain or Germany? What's frighteneing is a neo's lack of knowledge of world layout and thats not to mention the lack of understanding of culture and history. S c a r y !

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You must suffer from intellectual hypochondria Nero because what you enter into text is 'perfect minion speak' and could only leave you sick with incomprehension. Just perfect for 'the team' though, the goils need their cheerleaders.

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Oh no.. no no no, Nero is "intellectually" armed and dangerous and ready for smug massacres for another year.

Whats completely incomprehensible is the numb dumbness of the right wing's approach to most issues. Seriously, just a stand back, logical approach to a finding a house with smoke coming out of the windows. Duh, call the fire department? Try to rescue people? Look for water, extinguishers, trapped people? Admit... there might be a fire?
Nope... The neocon says to himself "OH how nice that those people are allowed to burn leaves inside their home. Oh how nice that he runs a smoking business at home, what an entrepreneur. I love the land of the free, have a nice day.
Thought processes that can only be described as base and juvenile. Really. The examples of egregious failings are splattered all over the history of the last seven years of right wing disasters, lies, messes and denials. Tick tick tick. Only neocons could makes the Dems look so good.
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thnx bigdog !
That Valentine piece sums them up and gives up some choice one-liners !
Branch Algorians, neo-Amish, pettifoggers and most appropriately, hypocritical energy hogs. Bleh ! Cutter, areavaporizer51, 247, LK....they all make me sick with their smug pseudo intellectualism.
Best quote though ; "CO2 is not a pollutant"...

nero,

it's a gem, yeah, that articles a keeper

the goof-balls you mention, are upset with their lives, society and want someone to blame for all the ills of mankind. These kooks are losers and insignificant.

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Fawning supplicative crap from Bigdogma.

Hey ! That's rare !


Nah, just kidding. It's not.
The losers and insignificant kooks are the Denierbots like you monkeys who when you're unable to back up your fallow arguments and desperate clinging to the rapidly melting edge, ressort to crow-like squawking and desperate diversion and obfuscation...

The Cowboys are beaten by the Patriots, how like life !

Go shine your "Ring of Honor", Bigdogma, or better still, have Nero shine it for you....
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Surface temperature recording stations a shambles, says veteran meteorologist


Dire "global warming" predictions are based on bad science from the very start, says a veteran meteorologist who found surface temperatures recorded throughout the U.S. are done so with almost no regard to scientific standards.

As a result of his shocking initial findings that temperature monitoring stations were constructed and placed without regard to achieving accurate recordings of natural temperatures, Anthony Watts set out to investigate the facilities used by NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

What he found were temperature stations with sensors on the roofs of buildings, near air-conditioning exhaust vents, in parking lots near hot automobiles, barbecues, chimneys and on pavement and concrete surfaces all of which would lead to higher temperature recordings than properly established conditions.

To qualify as a properly maintained temperature station, sensors must be placed in elevated, slatted boxes on flat ground surrounded by a clear surface on a slope of less than 19 degrees with surrounding grass and vegetations ground cover of less than 10 centimeters high. The sensors must be located at least 100 meters from artificial heating or reflecting surfaces, such as buildings, concrete surfaces and parking lots.

Watts' concerns about the temperatures being used to gauge whether global warming is actually taking place began when he read a 1997 study by the U.S. National Research Council that concluded the consistency and quality of temperature stations was "inadequate and deteriorating." Meanwhile, he learned, the U.S. Historical Climatological Network, responsible for maintaining the stations, was doing nothing to address the problems.

So Watts decided to take up the challenge himself. After surveying a few randomly chosen temperature stations and being shocked at the shortcomings, he set forth on a plan to survey all 1,221 stations, taking photographs along the way. With the help of volunteers, Watts has systematically surveyed one-third of the official weather stations.

The vast majority of the stations surveyed to date fail to meet the prescribed standards. Using a scale of 1 to 5, with 1 reflecting proper maintenance and standards and 5 representing facilities that are severely compromised, Watts says 70 percent of those stations surveyed received a 4 or 5 rating, while only 4 percent received a grade of 1.

All of the most egregious violations he has observed in the study would result in artificially higher temperatures being recorded.
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