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yeah, kiss and make-up.
Could we get back to my orig topic ?
This friday, the UN's IPCC global warming report will be released. It's reported to be full of "junk science" and scare.
Anyone care to comment on why the UN is pushing this crap so hard ? I have a theory .

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yeah, kiss and make-up.
Could we get back to my orig topic ?
This friday, the UN's IPCC global warming report will be released. It's reported to be full of "junk science" and scare.
Anyone care to comment on why the UN is pushing this crap so hard ? I have a theory .
What's your theory?
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The Kyoto Protocol might avert 0.07°C of global warming by the year 2050 — too small an amount for scientists to detect. Yet the treaty could easily cost the United States $100 billion or more annually in reduced economic growth, lost jobs, and higher energy prices. Kyoto is all cost for no benefit. No president worth his salt would have asked the Senate to ratify this treaty.

Even the Clinton-Gore administration, which negotiated the treaty, declined to present it to the Senate for a debate and vote on ratification. President Clinton mothballed Kyoto before Bush had anything to say about it.

To suggest that we’d all be singing Kumbaya with French President Jacques Chirac and saluting Kyoto as a “genuine instrument of global governance,” if only Bush hadn’t “interfered” with climate science, is sheer fantasy.
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that man-originated global warming is a two directional money grab. First, the UN seeks to shake down the western world so it can "redistribute" that wealth to the developing world .
Second, some scientists see global warming as a source of research grants that will be inexhaustable.

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Our rights are getting abused,

You have been asked NICELY by several members for over a yr now to share what rights violations YOU have experienced directly. We're STILL waiting.

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No, the war the past year has be completely free

Another example of having nothing to say after YOUR words have been thrown back in your face. Im so surprised.


I'm not for nambla, I'm also not for using the freedom of speech as a tool for persuction, quit the opposite, I would rather the pedos join publically and show themselves instead of hide out in congress preaching about how immoral that is.
I think you shall be known as Dory from this day forward, especially amusing on how you tried to affix the gold fish memory title to me.

You can back peddle all you want.....you specifically said you think NAMBLA should have the right to print their perverted literature. Only a sick MF'er would say such but then again between all your sick thoughts I guess it wouldnt surprise me one bit to see you wanting to be treated like a lil boy......again?

But please parade around how unmoral the freedom of speech is, all the while I'll be watching the news waiting for XFBO tot touching report to come on.
Now we know why baby Jesus is crying
Yea you keep sitting on that couch waiting for that day cutter I just hope ur eating soy burgers by then otherwise you'll have to update your profile.

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that man-originated global warming is a two directional money grab. First, the UN seeks to shake down the western world so it can "redistribute" that wealth to the developing world .
Second, some scientists see global warming as a source of research grants that will be inexhaustable.
+1 When in doubt, follow the money.




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Here's the straw that broke the skeptics' backs.....

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post #248 of 3778 (permalink) Old 02-02-2007, 02:53 PM
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There is no "Global Warming", it's all just nonsense. Go home and drink some beer and watch "Friends".:twocents

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There is no "Global Warming", it's all just nonsense.
Not nonsense, just no smoking gun............yet. Cmon dude, put some faith into the world's scientists, I know they cant get everything right all the time but they may have something here.

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Global Warming to Continue for Centuries

Feb 2, 7:04 PM (ET)

By SETH BORENSTEIN
PARIS (AP) - Global warming is so severe that it will "continue for centuries," leading to a far different planet in 100 years, warned a grim landmark report from the world's leading climate scientists and government officials. Yet, many of the experts are hopeful that nations will now take action to avoid the worst scenarios.

They tried to warn of dire risks without scaring people so much they'd do nothing - inaction that would lead to the worst possible scenarios.

"It's not too late," said Australian scientist Nathaniel Bindoff, a co-author of the authoritative Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report issued Friday. The worst can be prevented by acting quickly to curb greenhouse gas emissions, he said.



What wasn't discussed was the cost of acting quickly to curb greenhouse gas emissions, or the effect such cuts would have on the global temperature. Realists consider both pieces of information critial to any discussion on global warming. Al Gore stated that "costs" and "results" were immaterial at this point and that any further discussion would be counterproductive.

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  • The sun is warmer!
  • It was warmer in the 1930s across the globe than it is right now.
  • The infamous Kyoto accords exempt some of the world's biggest CO2 polluters, including China and India.
  • Global warming "activists" and scientists seek to punish those who have different viewpoints. If you are sure of your science you have no need to shout down or seek to punish those who disagree.
  • What happened to the Medieval Warm Period?
  • Over the past 3,000 years there have been five different extended periods when the earth was measurably warmer than it is today.
  • During the last 20 years -- a period of the highest carbon dioxide levels -- global temperatures have actually decreased. That's right ... decreased.
  • Why are global warming proponents insisting that the matter is settled and that no further scientific research is needed? Why are they afraid of additional information?
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.....if only Bush hadn’t “interfered” with climate science, is sheer fantasy......
so you know about Bush's weather machine too?
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  • Why are global warming proponents insisting that the matter is settled and that no further scientific research is needed? Why are they afraid of additional information?
Maybe this is the same logic as the following? - typically, this group of people claim to be tolerant of everyone of every creed, unless of course you don't agree with them, then you are simply stupid and ignorant. oh yeah, and they always add Bush is the devil, we're imperialists, captialism is bad, etc
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Why are global warming proponents insisting that the matter is settled and that no further scientific research is needed? Why are they afraid of additional information?
Because MAYBE there's an underground CONSPIRACY ( soslow) going on amongst the scientists, tree huggers and dnc and it may interfere with their ability to get $$$ to feed their scare the masses campaign? Huh huh HUH??? Whatcha think soslow?

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X-man - I will leave my conspiracies for the Middle East for the moment. (Of course, Britain, France and Israel didn't CONSPIRE to attack Egypt in 1956, did they? Wikipedia has it all wrong, don't they?)

My position on global warming is that if the scientists are right, we probably have a problem. Most people take insurance on their homes, cars, etc, in case something BAD happens for example you crash your car, or some idiot crashes into it. Insurance will, hopefully, cover the costs.

I think we should be taking all reasonable steps to combat global warming in case the scientists are right. A bit like insurance on your home, car, bike. It seems like common sense to me.
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X-man - I will leave my conspiracies for the Middle East for the moment. (Of course, Britain, France and Israel didn't CONSPIRE to attack Egypt in 1956, did they? Wikipedia has it all wrong, don't they?)

My position on global warming is that if the scientists are right, we probably have a problem. Most people take insurance on their homes, cars, etc, in case something BAD happens for example you crash your car, or some idiot crashes into it. Insurance will, hopefully, cover the costs.

I think we should be taking all reasonable steps to combat global warming in case the scientists are right. A bit like insurance on your home, car, bike. It seems like common sense to me.
Ok lets see if you can actually answer a question........has the earth been through these kinds of cycles in its history?

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X-man: I don't really care if the earth has been through similar cycles in the past or not. And I don't pretend that I am an expert on global warming. It is getting just a little bit outside my very narrow focus on the Middle East.
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Dan, I disagree totally (now theres a surprise ! ) with your statements there about the Earth being warmer before during the last 3000 years, you're talking maybe peak temperature, or out of your junk-science buddies site, because pretty much EVERY scientific and serious report says that the last few years on this Planet have been the HOTTEST, ever, since the Holocene period, er, 12,000 years ago. Global temperatures have NOT decreased over the last 20 years, and 2005 was the hottest year in RECORDED history. Fact.
Refute that.

I think its a load of bull as well to insinuate or spin the "Global warming specialists insist the matter is settled and needs no further research..."
What is meant is that dragging our feet when 90% or more of ALL SERIOUS, PROFESSIONAL, grant aided or not scientists and climatologists agree, I'll say that again, AGREE that Global Warming is a quantifiable phenomenon, right here, right now, and that URGENT action is needed to REDUCE THE VISIBLE AND IMMEDIATE ACTIVITIES that contribute to the effect. The oil companies, other big polluters, and even entire countries, afraid they might lose out on having SUV's for all the kids and a plasma screen in every room, are trying to stall or drag out the process, because they are the current, modern equivalent of the dinosaur, and are unwilling to adapt, or even look into reasoning that may give them hope that their enormous profits or "lifestyle" won't be lost if they think a bit further than the naysayers and "Economic Doom" propagandists who scuttle around their feet. (Hey, THEY are well payed though, do a comparison of grants for research, and "grants" (baksheesh ) to do NO research, but to say "Hey, everythings peachy, Al Gore's a fool, the Oil Companys CARE about you, the earth is cooling, more beaches and warmer water will be GREAT, squalk squalk...")

We probably won't see any benefit from attempting to reverse OUR actions that have augmented un-naturally what is a normal heating and warming of the planet, and the solar system, leading up to the Sun becoming a red giant, then Planetary Nebula, white dwarf and finally a smoking husk of a black dwarf, in billions of years. But our kids will, and their childrens children, and hopefully so-on. (Unless stupidity REALLY is hereditary...then we shouldn't hold out much hope that anyone will survive the next few wars...)
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I can't understand why the Oil companys could be against the idea that Global Warming is a serious problem, and affects us all, and that urgent action is needed to reduce hydrocarbon consumption and look seriuosly for alternatives, though.....

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No argument about the increase in CO2 emissions, and no argument about global warming. Disagreement on reasons for current vs historic global temperature changes, and disagreement on need to address global temperature through economic activity reduction.

To be sure, CO2 levels have increased substantially since the Industrial Revolution, and are expected to continue doing so. It is reasonable to believe that humans have been responsible for much of this increase. But the effect on the environment is likely to be benign.













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