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People. People look around and see the size of the pie and they naturaly want a piece of it. It's human nature, pal. It ain't the gubment.
People have absolutely no right to take or demand what isn't theirs. Private property ownership is what allows us to be different than most other nations in the world and develop the best living conditions for its citizens.

Greed isn't defined by wanting to keep what's legitimately yours. Greed is demanding what isn't yours from someone else.

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People have absolutely no right to take or demand what isn't theirs. Private property ownership is what allows us to be different than most other nations in the world and develop the best living conditions for its citizens.

Greed isn't defined by wanting to keep what's legitimately yours. Greed is demanding what isn't yours from someone else.
Sorry, but yes they do. What do you think taxation IS?

Do you honestly think everything would be great if there were no taxation at all? Brother.
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Sorry, but yes they do. What do you think taxation IS?

Do you honestly think everything would be great if there were no taxation at all? Brother.
Taxation is not meant for redistrubution of wealth in a free society. You seem to not understant that. I pay property taxes, I get police/fire/ems and the roads are paved and the trash is taken away. Part of my taxes pay for other neighborhoods to have the same services yet the residents pay nothing. Its not right.

I have no problem paying taxes. I have a problem with 47% of working Americans paying nothing and getting to collect money from the government as well as use/abuse all the other services available while contributing ablsolutely ZERO.

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Turd's an idiot. For most of our nation's history there was no income tax and no Federal Reserve. But now we're only a few years away from the point where 100% of federal revenue will be spent on entitlements and interest payments. I don't know what the definition of socialism is, but we're way closer to that than what our creators had in mind. The primary function of our current government is to redistribute wealth. Try reading the Constitution and tell me how this fits in.

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Turd's an idiot. For most of our nation's history there was no income tax and no Federal Reserve. But now we're only a few years away from the point where 100% of federal revenue will be spent on entitlements and interest payments. I don't know what the definition of socialism is, but we're way closer to that than what our creators had in mind. The primary function of our current government is to redistribute wealth. Try reading the Constitution and tell me how this fits in.
"The Sixteenth Amendment (Amendment XVI) to the United States Constitution allows the Congress to levy an income tax without apportioning it among the states or basing it on Census results."
Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"A General Welfare clause is a section that appeared in many constitutions, as well as in some charters and statutes, which provides that the governing body empowered by the document may enact laws to promote the general welfare of the people."

"Prior to 1936, the United States Supreme Court had imposed a narrow interpretation on the Clause, as demonstrated by the holding in Bailey v. Drexel Furniture Co.,[14] in which a tax on child labor was an impermissible attempt to regulate commerce beyond that Court's equally narrow interpretation of the Commerce Clause. This narrow view was later overturned in United States v. Butler. There, the Court agreed with Associate JusticeJoseph Story's construction in Story's 1833 Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States. Story had concluded that the General Welfare Clause was not a general grant of legislative power, but also dismissed Madison's narrow construction requiring its use be dependent upon the other enumerated powers. Consequently, the Supreme Court held the power to tax and spend is an independent power and that the General Welfare Clause gives Congress power it might not derive anywhere else. However, the Court did limit the power to spending for matters affecting only the national welfare.
Shortly after Butler, in Helvering v. Davis,[15] the Supreme Court interpreted the clause even more expansively, conferring upon Congress a plenary power to impose taxes and to spend money for the general welfare subject almost entirely to its own discretion. Even more recently, the Court has included the power to indirectly coerce the states into adopting national standards by threatening to withhold federal funds in South Dakota v. Dole.[16] To date, the Hamiltonian view of the General Welfare Clause predominates in case law."

The Constitution is a living document. It is interpreted in ways to fit the times. After the Great Depression, it was interpreted to include welfare and redistribution of wealth. That has not been changed even though there have been conservative SCOTUS's. Too bad, Baas. Change with the times or the times will pass you by.


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"The appearance of the term "socialism" is variously attributed to Pierre Leroux in 1834.

The Constitution:
"The Constitution was adopted on September 17, 1787."


So you see, Baas, the Constitution came BEFORE socialism. How could the FRAMERS possibly have had it in mind? And notice the term "interpretation" above. You like the interpretation pre-1936 and you don't like the interpretation post-1936.

To top it off you spew this brain fart:
"now we're only a few years away from the point where 100% of federal revenue will be spent on entitlements and interest payments."
You're full of hysterical exagerations, aren't you?
In short...

you're all wet.

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to top it off you spew this brain fart:
"now we're only a few years away from the point where 100% of federal revenue will be spent on entitlements and interest payments."
you're full of hysterical exagerations, aren't you?
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Turd's an idiot. For most of our nation's history there was no income tax and no Federal Reserve. But now we're only a few years away from the point where 100% of federal revenue will be spent on entitlements and interest payments. I don't know what the definition of socialism is, but we're way closer to that than what our creators had in mind. The primary function of our current government is to redistribute wealth. Try reading the Constitution and tell me how this fits in.
Its always the morons like Turd (A51) that celebrate the confiscation and redistribution of other people's wealth. In the end socialism ALWAYS fails. There isn't one example of socialism working and yet these jerkoffs keep trying to spread this rediculous concept.

Turd's lame attempt to interpret the constitution is entertaining but very wrong. General welfare is a clause, a statement but not actually part of the enumerated powers defined by the constitution. Its been continually perverted since the turn of the 20th Century and expounded upon by FDR. Its a mess but thats what you get with runaway government.

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Its always the morons like Turd (A51) that celebrate the confiscation and redistribution of other people's wealth. In the end socialism ALWAYS fails. There isn't one example of socialism working and yet these jerkoffs keep trying to spread this rediculous concept.

Turd's lame attempt to interpret the constitution is entertaining but very wrong. General welfare is a clause, a statement but not actually part of the enumerated powers defined by the constitution. Its been continually perverted since the turn of the 20th Century and expounded upon by FDR. Its a mess but thats what you get with runaway government.
What has failed is free market capitalism. Every time we let it be it eats us up. Love Canal, Enron, Savings and Loans, mortgage backed-securities, etc.

Perverted = interpreted
It depends on your point of view.

How ironic that your loverly free market criminality is what has brought the "socialist" world to it's knees. Ironic indeedie.
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What has failed is free market capitalism. Every time we let it be it eats us up. Love Canal, Enron, Savings and Loans, mortgage backed-securities, etc.

Perverted = interpreted
It depends on your point of view.

How ironic that your loverly free market criminality is what has brought the "socialist" world to it's knees. Ironic indeedie.
Exactly wtf is wrong with you ?

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Exactly wtf is wrong with you ?
He has no idea of what he's talking about. We should be used to that by now.

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Its always the morons like Turd (A51) that celebrate the confiscation and redistribution of other people's wealth. In the end socialism ALWAYS fails. There isn't one example of socialism working and yet these jerkoffs keep trying to spread this rediculous concept.

Turd's lame attempt to interpret the constitution is entertaining but very wrong. General welfare is a clause, a statement but not actually part of the enumerated powers defined by the constitution. Its been continually perverted since the turn of the 20th Century and expounded upon by FDR. Its a mess but thats what you get with runaway government.
Wrong; that's what you get with wisdom.

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All those ding-a-lings talking about 911, post 911, pre 911 attacks.... So anti RP.

You have the balls to vote for Ron Paul? Good on ya.

Vote libertarian before you're teabgged by super hypocritical, lying, bat shit crazy nutjobs.
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