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Arizona Congressman keeping the pressure on these Washington criminals accountable for the crimes they committed. (Allegedly of course) Due process and all that Justice jazz. Oh wait it was the Justice who committed the alleged criminal acts. So you might say it's justice for Justice.

"Republican Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona told The Daily Caller on Wednesday that Obama administration officials responsible for Operation Fast and Furious might be accessories to murder. “We’re talking about consequences of criminal activity, where we actually allowed guns to walk into the hands of criminals, where our livelihoods are at risk,” Gosar said in a phone interview. “When you facilitate that and a murder or a felony occurs, you’re called an accessory. That means that there’s criminal activity.”
http://http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/05/congressman-obama-admin-may-be-accessory-to-murder-with-fast-and-furious/

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Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) is turning up the heat on Eric Holder, demanding the attorney general “come forward and at least admit” he knew about “Fast and Furious” long before he told Congress he learned about the gun program.
The chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform said on Wednesday that Holder “failed” to properly answer questions during a May House Judiciary Committee hearing about when he first learned about the controversial gun program.
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That POS Holder is claiming that he misunderstood the questions about when he first became aware of Operation Fast and Furious. So either he's lying or completely incompetent to hold this office. Neither is good.

I still expect Obama to drag his heels for his friend.

As a side note, I came across this recently.
Claims that Michelle Obama is a racist. Yesterday I saw an interview about a new book claiming that Holder is mainly concerned with racial things while at Justice. His office won't take up allegations against minorities if the victims are white. He's not saying he's an outright racist but Holder clings to a troubling philosophy ...Disturbing.

"According to Department of Justice whistleblower J. Christian Adams, AG Eric Holder has a certain something in his wallet. It is a quotation -- and he has carried it for decades. It essentially says, to quote Adams, "Blackness is more important than anything, and the black US attorney has common cause with the black criminal." It's not surprising that Holder would feel this way about black lawyers and criminals.
Because in his case they're one and the same."




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If Obama sez so it must be the truth.

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Reporting from Washington—
President Obama insists neither he nor Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr. knew federal ATF agents were permitting illegal gun purchases on the Southwest border, even as Republican lawmakers released new documents showing the attorney general was given general briefings on the Fast and Furious gun-tracking operation.

"He's indicated that he was not aware of what was happening in Fast and Furious," the president said in support of Holder, speaking at a White House news conference Thursday. "Certainly I was not. And I think both he and I would have been very unhappy if somebody had suggested that guns were allowed to pass through that could have been prevented by the United States of America."

He noted that the Justice Department inspector general's office, at Holder's request, was investigating the 15-month program at the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' Phoenix field office. More than 2,000 firearms were lost; two turned up at the fatal shooting of a U.S. Border Patrol agent in December.

"I have complete confidence in him," Obama said of Holder. "And I've got complete confidence in the process to figure out who, in fact, was responsible for that decision [to launch Fast and Furious] and how it got made."
President Obama defends Attorney General Eric Holder over Fast and Furious - latimes.com
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PHOENIX – Ten Arizona sheriffs demanded on Friday that a special counsel be appointed to investigate the roles of U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder and other top administration officials in a gunrunning probe that allowed weapons to find their way into criminals’ hands.
“All of this doesn’t smell right,” said Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu, joined by several other sheriffs at a news conference outside the State Capitol. “I believe that this is a much larger scandal than anything that took place at Watergate.”
The sheriffs called for Holder and other top Department of Justice officials to take responsibility for allowing 2,000 guns to be obtained by Mexican drug cartels and other criminals. During Operation Fast and Furious, agents allowed middlemen, known as straw buyers, to illegally purchase guns in hopes of tracking the guns once they reached other members of criminal networks.
The investigation came under fire after U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry was killed in a shootout last year north of Nogales and two assault rifles purchased during the operation were recovered at the scene.
“We’ve been betrayed by our government in Washington, D.C., and we need answers,” Mohave County Sheriff Tom Sheahan said.

Ten Arizona sheriffs call for special counsel to probe Fast and Furious – Cronkite News
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Since Holder is an obnoxious racialist and a hard core ideologue like Obama, I suspect that he'll avoid telling the truth like it was kryptonite.

Obama will not cooperate with any special prosecutor until the very very end. He's hoping that it will go away...but it will not.

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Since Holder is an obnoxious racialist and a hard core ideologue like Obama, I suspect that he'll avoid telling the truth like it was kryptonite.

Obama will not cooperate with any special prosecutor until the very very end. He's hoping that it will go away...but it will not.
Your right, Holder will never tell the truth. As we all know it all comes down to what you can prove. In this electronic age it will be hard to clean the slate of all the White House emails and other documents that have been archived.

Issa: Holder's defense on Fast and Furious ?has reached a new low' - TheHill.com

Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) issued a scathing reply to Attorney General Eric Holder over his role in the authorization of a botched gun-tracking operation and the Justice Department’s cooperation with a congressional investigation.
As chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, Issa said the DOJ has tried to detract his panel’s investigation into "Operation Fast and Furious" since it began, offering “a roving set of ever-changing explanations to justify its involvement in this reckless and deadly program.”

In a letter sent to Holder on Sunday and publically released on Monday, Issa lists several instances in which the DOJ either denied the existence of the gun “walking” tactics used in Fast and Furious — the process of allowing for the sale or delivery of firearms into the hands of suspected criminals — or dragged its feet in turning over documents the committee had subpoenaed.“All of these efforts were designed to circle the wagons around DOJ and its political appointees,” wrote Issa.

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More News for Fast and Furious:

Despite a federal holiday, the lawmaker leading a congressional investigation into "Operation Fast and Furious" launched his latest salvo Monday against Attorney General Eric Holder, insisting it's time for the nation's top cop to "come clean to the American public about what you knew, when you knew it, and who is going to be held accountable."
"Whether you realize yet or not, you own 'Fast and Furious,'" Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., said in a letter to Holder. "It is your responsibility."

The reply comes three days after Holder responded in his own letter to questions over whether he misled Congress in May when he told lawmakers he "probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks."
A week ago, the ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, distributed five memos from July and August 2010 addressed to Holder, citing the gun-running investigation by name.
In his letter Friday, Holder said his remarks on "Fast and Furious" have been "truthful and accurate," adding, "I have no recollection of knowing about 'Fast and Furious' or of hearing its name prior to the public controversy about it. ... Prior to early 2011, I certainly never knew about the tactics employed in the operation."
But Issa insisted in his latest response that "the current paper trail ... creates the strong perception that your statement in front of Congress was less than truthful." The chairman laid out a series of instances that he said shows high-level knowledge of "Fast and Furious."
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The net now lets watch the escape.

On the lighter side how many "S"'s are in this headline?

(Issa Issues Subpoena to Holder in Fast and Furious Investigation)

Rep. Darrell Issa, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, sent a subpoena Wednesday to Attorney General Eric Holder as part of his investigation into the gun trafficking operation known as "Fast and Furious."
"Top Justice Department officials, including Attorney General Holder, know more about Operation Fast and Furious than they have publicly acknowledged," the California Republican said in a statement. "The documents this subpoena demands will provide answers to questions that Justice officials have tried to avoid since this investigation began eight months ago. It's time we know the whole truth."

Issa Issues Subpoena To Holder In Fast And Furious Investigation | Fox News
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Apparently Holder has some issues about his honesty in his past.

Holder’s honesty before Congress disputed in earlier high-profile cases

An investigation into the Justice Department's “Fast and Furious” gunrunning probe, which allowed hundreds of weapons to be illegally “walked” into Mexico, is not the first time Attorney Genera lEric H. Holder Jr.’s truthfulness has been challenged by members of Congress.

In 2001, the House Government Reform Committee questioned the accuracy of Mr. Holder’s depiction of what he did as deputy attorney general in the last-minute pardon by President Clinton of fugitive financier Marc Rich, whose former wife, Denise Rich, had donated $1.3 million to Democrats.

Two years earlier, Mr. Holder came under fire for refusing to tell a Senate committee whether the Justice Department had recommended against Mr. Clinton’s offer of clemency to 16 Puerto Rican nationalists a month after then-Attorney General Janet Reno said their release posed a national security threat.

More recently, Mr. Holder was questioned on his refusal to allow Justice Department officials to testify in separate inquiries by Congress and the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights in their handling of the New Black Panther Party civil complaint, in which charges of voter intimidation were ordered dropped after the case had been won in court.

In the latest flap, Mr. Holder has been accused of a “lack of trustworthiness” in telling what he knew about the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives‘ Fast and Furious probe. House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Rep. Darrell E. Issa, California Republican, said statements made under oath by Mr. Holder about the operation have “proven to be untrue,” adding that his failure to “come clean” with the America public “called into question” his credibility to serve as attorney general.


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Apparently Holder has some issues about his honesty in his past.

Holder’s honesty before Congress disputed in earlier high-profile cases

An investigation into the Justice Department's “Fast and Furious” gunrunning probe, which allowed hundreds of weapons to be illegally “walked” into Mexico, is not the first time Attorney Genera lEric H. Holder Jr.’s truthfulness has been challenged by members of Congress.

In 2001, the House Government Reform Committee questioned the accuracy of Mr. Holder’s depiction of what he did as deputy attorney general in the last-minute pardon by President Clinton of fugitive financier Marc Rich, whose former wife, Denise Rich, had donated $1.3 million to Democrats.

Two years earlier, Mr. Holder came under fire for refusing to tell a Senate committee whether the Justice Department had recommended against Mr. Clinton’s offer of clemency to 16 Puerto Rican nationalists a month after then-Attorney General Janet Reno said their release posed a national security threat.

More recently, Mr. Holder was questioned on his refusal to allow Justice Department officials to testify in separate inquiries by Congress and the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights in their handling of the New Black Panther Party civil complaint, in which charges of voter intimidation were ordered dropped after the case had been won in court.

In the latest flap, Mr. Holder has been accused of a “lack of trustworthiness” in telling what he knew about the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives‘ Fast and Furious probe. House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Rep. Darrell E. Issa, California Republican, said statements made under oath by Mr. Holder about the operation have “proven to be untrue,” adding that his failure to “come clean” with the America public “called into question” his credibility to serve as attorney general.


Holder's honesty before Congress disputed in earlier high-profile cases - Washington Times
I may tune into the hearings just to see this POS squirm for more orchestrated lies than the first time around. Now the heat is up and his responses will be simply to protect Obama from impeachable issues. Its CYA time in the Obama administration.

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NN's John King plays Holder's testimony to Congress on MAY 3, 2011, where he said he had only just recently heard about the Fast & Furious gunrunning program. "I'm not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks," Attorney General Eric Holder said.

Then CNN compares Holder's testimony to what President Obama said in MARCH to CNN Espanol about the operation. "I heard on the news about this story that -- Fast and Furious, where allegedly guns were being run into Mexico, and ATF knew about it, but didn't apprehend those who had sent it." Transcript of the segment that aired on "John King USA" below:


KING: Well, Congressman Cummings, let's get to one of the questions here. Let's first listen to the attorney general. He came before this committee back in May. Here's what he said.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ISSA: When did you first know about the program officially I believe called Fast and Furious? To the best of your knowledge, what date?

ERIC HOLDER, U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL: I'm not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KING: He says over the last few weeks.

That is on May 3, 2011. Listen to this interview the president of the United States, not the attorney general, the president of the United States, had with CNN Espanol back in March.

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: There have been problems, you know. I heard on the news about this story that -- Fast and Furious, where allegedly guns were being run into Mexico, and ATF knew about it, but didn't apprehend those who had sent it.

Eric Holder has -- the attorney general has been very clear that he knew nothing about this. We had assigned an I.G., inspector general, to investigate it. (END VIDEO CLIP)

KING: It begs the question, how did the president know about this in March, and how did the president know the attorney general knew nothing about this in march, when the attorney general says in May he just learned about it a couple weeks ago?
Obama Talked About "Fast & Furious" Months Before Holder Claimed He Knew | RealClearPolitics
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This news story has been talked about for a couple of months here (local radio) in the Phoenix area and just now hitting the national news.

Police say Jean Baptiste Kingery, a U.S. citizen, was a veritable grenade machine. He's accused of smuggling parts for as many as 2,000 grenades into Mexico for killer drug cartels -- sometimes under the direct watch of U.S. law enforcement.
Law enforcement sources say Kingery could have been prosecuted in the U.S. twice for violating export control laws, but that, each time, prosecutors in Arizona refused to make a case.
Grenades are weapons-of-choice for the cartels. An attack on Aug. 25 in a Monterrey, Mexico casino killed 53 people.
Sources tell CBS News that, in January 2010, ATF had Kingery under surveillance after he bought about 50 grenade bodies and headed to Mexico. But they say prosecutors wouldn't agree to make a case. So, as ATF agents looked on, Kingery and the grenade parts crossed the border -- and simply disappeared.

Six months later, Kingery allegedly got caught leaving the U.S. for Mexico with 114 disassembled grenades in a tire. One ATF agent told investigators he literally begged prosecutors to keep Kingery in custody this time, fearing he was supplying narco-terrorists, but was again ordered to let Kingery go.
The prosecutors -- already the target of controversy for overseeing "Fast and Furious," wouldn't comment on the grenades case. U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke recently resigned and his assistant, Emory Hurley, has been transferred. Sources say Hurley is the one who let Kingery go, saying grenade parts are "novelty items" and the case "lacked jury appeal."
Attkisson added on "The Early Show" that, in August, Mexican authorities raided Kingery's stash house and factory, finding materials for 1,000 grenades. He was charged with trafficking and allegedly admitted not only to making grenades, but also to teaching cartels how to make them, as well as helping cartel members convert semi-automatic rifles to fully-automatic. As one source put it: There's no telling how much damage Kingery did in the year-and-a-half since he was first let go. The Justice Department inspector general is now investigating this, along with "Fast and Furious."

"Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal - CBS News
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This news story has been talked about for a couple of months here (local radio) in the Phoenix area and just now hitting the national news.

Police say Jean Baptiste Kingery, a U.S. citizen, was a veritable grenade machine. He's accused of smuggling parts for as many as 2,000 grenades into Mexico for killer drug cartels -- sometimes under the direct watch of U.S. law enforcement.
Law enforcement sources say Kingery could have been prosecuted in the U.S. twice for violating export control laws, but that, each time, prosecutors in Arizona refused to make a case.
Grenades are weapons-of-choice for the cartels. An attack on Aug. 25 in a Monterrey, Mexico casino killed 53 people.
Sources tell CBS News that, in January 2010, ATF had Kingery under surveillance after he bought about 50 grenade bodies and headed to Mexico. But they say prosecutors wouldn't agree to make a case. So, as ATF agents looked on, Kingery and the grenade parts crossed the border -- and simply disappeared.

Six months later, Kingery allegedly got caught leaving the U.S. for Mexico with 114 disassembled grenades in a tire. One ATF agent told investigators he literally begged prosecutors to keep Kingery in custody this time, fearing he was supplying narco-terrorists, but was again ordered to let Kingery go.
The prosecutors -- already the target of controversy for overseeing "Fast and Furious," wouldn't comment on the grenades case. U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke recently resigned and his assistant, Emory Hurley, has been transferred. Sources say Hurley is the one who let Kingery go, saying grenade parts are "novelty items" and the case "lacked jury appeal."
Attkisson added on "The Early Show" that, in August, Mexican authorities raided Kingery's stash house and factory, finding materials for 1,000 grenades. He was charged with trafficking and allegedly admitted not only to making grenades, but also to teaching cartels how to make them, as well as helping cartel members convert semi-automatic rifles to fully-automatic. As one source put it: There's no telling how much damage Kingery did in the year-and-a-half since he was first let go. The Justice Department inspector general is now investigating this, along with "Fast and Furious."

"Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal - CBS News
Hopefully the story will actually gain traction in the media. People making these decisions were criminally negligent and should have to defend their actions/decisions in court.

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Just heard an interesting thing on NPR.

An estimated 2,000 guns are smuggled from America to Mexico every day.

Add that to the number form overseas black markets and, well, there is no shortage of guns in Mexico.
That's the bad news.

Here's the good news:
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Just heard an interesting thing on NPR.

An estimated 2,000 guns are smuggled from America to Mexico every day.

Add that to the number form overseas black markets and, well, there is no shortage of guns in Mexico.
That's the bad news.

Here's the good news:
U.S. infiltrates drug cartels throughout Mexico - Post Bulletin
I'd guess that NPR pulled that "data" from their collective ass. If its true, its another reason to end the soft border policy.

The second part of your post is nothing but an attempt to make a horrible foreign policy towards Mexico seem somehow hopeful. We have no power or leverage with the Mexicans given who sits in the White House.

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Well lookie here; turns out the Bush admin was doing the same thing the Obama admin did. It was called Operation Wide Receiver.

Records: Feds Have A History Of Gun Walking Programs | Fronteras Desk

I don't recall you boys saying a word about it. Now you know why all your complaints are suspect.
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