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post #81 of 271 (permalink) Old 02-27-2012, 12:37 AM
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How many times have you heard conservatives say Obama is against drilling for oil? Have you ever looked up the facts?

Do liberals even understand the definition of the word: facts?


Obama is going around the country saying oil production is higher during his administration so therefore he’s not responsible for high gasoline prices.

What he’s failing to say are three things:


1. oil production may be up but refinery capacity is down
2. refineries are being closed because of HIS EPA
3. production is up because of Bush policies which took years to come to fruition
The president and the White House haven’t been shy about claiming credit for doing everything possible to keep gasoline prices low.
As White House spokesman Jay Carney said this week “Oil and gas production in the United States has risen every year since the president’s been in office. Oil production is now higher than it’s been in eight years.”
Industry analysts say production is rising — not because of President Obama, but in spite of him.
“Today on federal land, the area where the president has control, production in the Gulf of Mexico is down 30 percent. Lease sales in Rocky Mountains on federal lands are down 70 percent,” Jack Gerard, head of the American Petroleum Institute said.
He says the president has put 85 percent of the outer continental shelf off limits and overall, is only making 3 percent of the areas under his control available for development.
Numbers from think tanks and the federal Energy Information Administration confirm those numbers.
Nevertheless, steadily rising gas prices are a political liability. That’s why the president now takes credit for the results of policies he ran against in 2008. One ad lambasted McCain by tying him to the Bush energy policies, saying “McCain and Bush support a drilling plan that won’t produce a drop of oil for seven years.”
The president initially wanted to drive up oil prices to make renewable energy more attractive.
His cap and trade plan was too harsh even for Democratic allies and failed. Nevertheless, Obama still seems to deny that drilling would reduce prices.
“You know there are no quick fixes to this problem, and you know we can’t just drill our way to lower gas prices,” he said at a speech in Florida this week.
Exploration and development do take years. But analysts argue the administration can’t now take credit for decisions about drilling made years ago by President Bush and his predecessors.
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How many times have you heard conservatives say Obama is against drilling for oil? Have you ever looked up the facts?

Do liberals even understand the definition of the word: facts?


Obama is going around the country saying oil production is higher during his administration so therefore he’s not responsible for high gasoline prices.

What he’s failing to say are three things:


1. oil production may be up but refinery capacity is down
2. refineries are being closed because of HIS EPA
3. production is up because of Bush policies which took years to come to fruition
The president and the White House haven’t been shy about claiming credit for doing everything possible to keep gasoline prices low.
As White House spokesman Jay Carney said this week “Oil and gas production in the United States has risen every year since the president’s been in office. Oil production is now higher than it’s been in eight years.”
Industry analysts say production is rising — not because of President Obama, but in spite of him.
“Today on federal land, the area where the president has control, production in the Gulf of Mexico is down 30 percent. Lease sales in Rocky Mountains on federal lands are down 70 percent,” Jack Gerard, head of the American Petroleum Institute said.
He says the president has put 85 percent of the outer continental shelf off limits and overall, is only making 3 percent of the areas under his control available for development.
Numbers from think tanks and the federal Energy Information Administration confirm those numbers.
Nevertheless, steadily rising gas prices are a political liability. That’s why the president now takes credit for the results of policies he ran against in 2008. One ad lambasted McCain by tying him to the Bush energy policies, saying “McCain and Bush support a drilling plan that won’t produce a drop of oil for seven years.”
The president initially wanted to drive up oil prices to make renewable energy more attractive.
His cap and trade plan was too harsh even for Democratic allies and failed. Nevertheless, Obama still seems to deny that drilling would reduce prices.
“You know there are no quick fixes to this problem, and you know we can’t just drill our way to lower gas prices,” he said at a speech in Florida this week.
Exploration and development do take years. But analysts argue the administration can’t now take credit for decisions about drilling made years ago by President Bush and his predecessors.
Dan and his life.. chock full of lies... Not sick of Rupert Murdoch and the Suadi Prince yet? Not sick of towing the corporate lie? Still think cigarettes are innocuous and/or safe? of course you do..

The real, 'social justice tragedy' is this: Dan and Company dont have to pay a penalty. They get to obstruct, delay, lie today and lie and deny tomorrow. Oblivious to responsibly, accuracy, legacy or destiny. they'll just write their own Wiki. Sarah Palin; Editor...

I've given you dozens of examples of ding-a-ling denial and lies... the history of the world has provided hundreds of thousands of examples.
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How many times have you heard conservatives say Obama is against drilling for oil? Have you ever looked up the facts?

Do liberals even understand the definition of the word: facts?


Obama is going around the country saying oil production is higher during his administration so therefore he’s not responsible for high gasoline prices.

What he’s failing to say are three things:


1. oil production may be up but refinery capacity is down
2. refineries are being closed because of HIS EPA
3. production is up because of Bush policies which took years to come to fruition
The president and the White House haven’t been shy about claiming credit for doing everything possible to keep gasoline prices low.
As White House spokesman Jay Carney said this week “Oil and gas production in the United States has risen every year since the president’s been in office. Oil production is now higher than it’s been in eight years.”
Industry analysts say production is rising — not because of President Obama, but in spite of him.
“Today on federal land, the area where the president has control, production in the Gulf of Mexico is down 30 percent. Lease sales in Rocky Mountains on federal lands are down 70 percent,” Jack Gerard, head of the American Petroleum Institute said.
He says the president has put 85 percent of the outer continental shelf off limits and overall, is only making 3 percent of the areas under his control available for development.
Numbers from think tanks and the federal Energy Information Administration confirm those numbers.
Nevertheless, steadily rising gas prices are a political liability. That’s why the president now takes credit for the results of policies he ran against in 2008. One ad lambasted McCain by tying him to the Bush energy policies, saying “McCain and Bush support a drilling plan that won’t produce a drop of oil for seven years.”
The president initially wanted to drive up oil prices to make renewable energy more attractive.
His cap and trade plan was too harsh even for Democratic allies and failed. Nevertheless, Obama still seems to deny that drilling would reduce prices.
“You know there are no quick fixes to this problem, and you know we can’t just drill our way to lower gas prices,” he said at a speech in Florida this week.
Exploration and development do take years. But analysts argue the administration can’t now take credit for decisions about drilling made years ago by President Bush and his predecessors.
You'er so full of beans. Beaner. Where do you get your information, right wing blogs?ROTF

Why are Refineries Closing Down - A Barrel Full

"In the USA, it is actually falling gasoline demand that has helped shrink demand for oil products
according to the EIA, as high prices led to reduced mileage and more efficient vehicles.
So if we look at the refineries closing or under threat, they have a number of things in common, expensive crude, a lack of upgrading capabilities and they are located in markets with poor growth prospects. Unfortunately there are still a lot more like them, so this is unlikely to be the last word."

Refinery closings could push gasoline prices back to $4 ? USATODAY.com
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Rare people know that US - from last year (2011)- has become a net fuel exporter. It has extra fuel to export. They keep people blinded on that because keep oil price high would ebable them to meke more profit.

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CLICK HERE FOR THE FULL 12-PAGE REPORT.Much has been made of last week’s data released by the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) indicating that the US is, once again, a net exporter of fuel — for the first time since 1949.

When the Wall Street Journal first reported the story, it seemed like very good news, and the initial reactions all pointed toward the potential for the US to become energy independent. EIA data showed the country as having net exports of 64 million barrels of various petroleum products through the first nine months of the year, according to the WSJ.

The article maintains this is because emerging markets are demanding increased quantities of fuel, as their economies grow at rates much higher than that of the US. It even quoted energy analysts as saying this net-export trend will stick.

http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/U.S.-Now-Net-Fuel-Exporter-Good-News-or-Recessionary-Rumblings.html
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Well what do you know? CatSuck69 actually found something factual.

Of course Dan, no. He's repeating what he hears from far right sources bent on removing Obama through lying since they have so little truth to make hay over. He says the EPA is why refineries have closed. Where's the proof, Dan?

Oil Production:
Foreign Oil Imports Drop As U.S. Drilling Ramps Up : NPR

"Past assumptions of oil and gas scarcity that went into business strategic plans, governmental policies and public attitudes are out of date," says James Mulva, chairman and CEO of ConocoPhillips. "The major production trends have certainly been reversed."

"... increasing U.S. oil production is only one reason that reliance on foreign oil is waning.
Another is that Americans are using less fuel.
The Energy Information Agency says overall U.S. oil consumption has declined since 2005. The agency predicts it will grow only very slowly over the next two decades, because of policies that boost the fuel efficiency of cars and increase the use of renewable fuels like ethanol.
President Obama deserves credit for those policies. So does his predecessor, President Bush.
The EIA's Gruenspecht says America's dependency on foreign oil will ease even more than the agency's forecasts suggest if Obama goes forward with his proposal to further tighten fuel economy in cars for model years 2017 to 2025."

U.S. Oil Dependency Drops Below 50 Percent, Energy Department Reports
"Imports of crude and petroleum products accounted for 49.3 percent of U.S. oil demand last year, down from the recent high of 60.3 percent in 2005. It also marked the first time since 1997 that America's foreign oil addiction fell under the 50 percent threshold."

Gee, kinda sounds like we sort of have an energy policy for a change. And did you hear...we got Bin Laden too! What a country.

You know what the really ironic thing about this is? Reduced consumption is partly caused by the great recession. What caused the great recession? Deregulated free markets on Wall Street. So Republicans are partly responsible for our using less fuel. Thanks, guys...I think.

But fuel prices have risen. I wonder if there is any connection between closing refineries and rising prices. Nah, oil execs would never close refineries just to jack up the price of fuel. That would never happen.
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Do liberals even understand the definition of the word: facts?

This about sums it up..

Someone who thinks his fairy tales and lies are not noticed, investigated, chronicled and exposed. Oblivious to actual facts, his church, his TV and hi political party all anti truth and full of greed and hatred... Jesus is watching you and your friends Dan...

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Hey, Gog. Have you noticed that we have won. The usual suspects have faded away, crying a trail of tears that people (you, me and a few others) will actually stand up and correct their lies. coRky's probably in jail for running over a cyclist but the others sort of float around here in limbo, not sure what to do next.

Hey fellas, go to Rush. Rush wants you and he'll give you everything you need to feel good about your little corner of the world. It won't be true, usually, but it's not about that. It's about feeling like you know something when you don't.

Oh, and if you ever come back, please bring a few links that don't come from right wing blog stains.

I'll say one positive thing about you boys though...
Catsuck69 makes you look somewhat sensible.

Now we're left with twin-nut who pretends to be on the fence but calls our president "Obummer". Dude, you're barking up the wrong tree. But I'll admit, you're a good deal more prepared than the departed windbags.

Congrats, Gog. Have yourself a Moosehead.


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Hey, Gog. Have you noticed that we have won. The usual suspects have faded away, crying a trail of tears that people (you, me and a few others) will actually stand up and correct their lies. coRky's probably in jail for running over a cyclist but the others sort of float around here in limbo, not sure what to do next.

Hey fellas, go to Rush. Rush wants you and he'll give you every thing you need to feel good about your little corner of the world. It won't be true, usually, but it's not about that. It's about feeling like you know something when you don't.

Oh, and if you ever come back, please bring a few links that don't come from right wing blog stains.

I'll say one positive thing about you boys though...
Catsuck69 makes you look somewhat sensible.

Congrats, Gog. Have yourself a Moosehead.
Yes.. I feel this way as well...

I feel I have put in lots of hard work, lots of reading, writing, double checking, consultation and fair amounts of rethinking. Many hours in the right wing world of distortions, retarded logic, inexcusable fake academics and cheesy excuses. I have come to question my own approaches, methods and biases in order to keep open to new information whilst learning history and reviewing the works of knowledgeable experts(or as the boys call them 'the hoaxers').

I like to think of my life's responsibility to NOT thrash this planet while I am here... and act accordingly. I like the idea of living and let living... pretty easy unless you're a member of a retarded, hate based church. Do unto others does sound good.... to bad they cannot abide by it. Oh, the idea of NOT dismissing responsibility for an easier, conceited and cavalier behavior toward the womb of all wombs...mother earth.

I see the right wing gathering up its old excuses and lies and trying to take more than their share while shirking most manly duties in favor of slander and juvenile bullshite. .

I see the right wing as not honorable and completely bankrupt, they are not truthful and not capable of understanding humanity or nature. I cannot understand a man who watches fake news and jumps for joy, with pointed finger, while yelling into the air as if it were great truths they have 'discovered' and great hoaxes they have 'uncovered'. Simple inquiry and a smidgeon of logic will tell this man that he is wrong.. yet again but he willfully trudges on, with a handshake from his lying cartel, he goes onward... like Captain Smith. . esteemed, honorable, knowledgeable...unsinkable.

However Turd.. I know you know.. at a certain point, one realizes that these guys have made up their minds and the facts can be damned for eternity. They just throw out cheap slogans to counter accuse and nay say. They offer middle eastern fairy tales ahead of solid science and demand grown ups and future children follow this nonsense. I mean, look what it has done for the middle east! They even hate the guy who stared their religion. They think he's a hippie Marxist.

They simply change history and make up so much that it is impossible to understand how they can move forward or ever hope to understand things like evolution, biology, humanity or humanity's greatest threat...AGW.. (too much responsibility, too inconvenient, too time consuming and too expensive) They'd rather put our planet, with all out grandchildren, in grave danger for these reasons while whining about money.

They do the opposite of what their religious founder specifically states to do. They disobey and transgress numerous laws in nefarious and diabolical ways. Jesus for torture and foreign wars! yay! If you add up these bizarre excuses and conceptual failures it illustrate the immense damage done to earth, democracy, truth and humanity via the greedy, selfish actions of this hellbent group of 'elites'...

The list of right wing nonsense in the last 10 years... Its nothing short of a colossal embarrassment to the United States and civilized people everywhere. Its amazing what money and power can do to a group of people.. no wonder Jesus(the idea) was/is against it.
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You know when you've had enough Moosehead huh?

Antler marks on your thighs...
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Isn't that bestiality?
I think that's limited to Texas and they drink Lone Star (piss).


BTW, Jesus was a hippie Marxist. It's exceedingly difficult for the current crop of brown shirts to wrap their heads around that. All they see is dollar signs and fear...in everything.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/16/op...-drillers.html

"Employment in oil and gas extraction has risen more than 50 percent since the middle of the last decade, but that amounts to only 70,000 jobs, around one-twentieth of 1 percent of total U.S. employment. So the idea that drill, baby, drill can cure our jobs deficit is basically a joke.
Why, then, are Republicans pretending otherwise? Part of the answer is that the party is rewarding its benefactors: the oil and gas industry doesn’t create many jobs, but it does spend a lot of money on lobbying and campaign contributions. The rest of the answer is simply the fact that conservatives have no other job-creation ideas to offer."
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"Employment in oil and gas extraction has risen more than 50 percent since the middle of the last decade, but that amounts to only 70,000 jobs, around one-twentieth of 1 percent of total U.S. employment. So the idea that drill, baby, drill can cure our jobs deficit is basically a joke.
Why, then, are Republicans pretending otherwise? Part of the answer is that the party is rewarding its benefactors: the oil and gas industry doesn’t create many jobs, but it does spend a lot of money on lobbying and campaign contributions. The rest of the answer is simply the fact that conservatives have no other job-creation ideas to offer."
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Hey, Gog. Have you noticed that we have won. The usual suspects have faded away, crying a trail of tears that people (you, me and a few others) will actually stand up and correct their lies. coRky's probably in jail for running over a cyclist but the others sort of float around here in limbo, not sure what to do next.

Hey fellas, go to Rush. Rush wants you and he'll give you everything you need to feel good about your little corner of the world. It won't be true, usually, but it's not about that. It's about feeling like you know something when you don't.

Oh, and if you ever come back, please bring a few links that don't come from right wing blog stains.

I'll say one positive thing about you boys though...
Catsuck69 makes you look somewhat sensible.

Now we're left with twin-nut who pretends to be on the fence but calls our president "Obummer". Dude, you're barking up the wrong tree. But I'll admit, you're a good deal more prepared than the departed windbags.

Congrats, Gog. Have yourself a Moosehead.


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WON ???
We're just giving distance to you and GoGGy while you're having your little circle jerk !

I post less on here now because I'm tired of arguing with morons like you, pothead...

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WON ???
We're just giving distance to you and GoGGy while you're having your little circle jerk !

I post less on here now because I'm tired of arguing with morons like you, pothead...
Oh, I thought maybe YOU went in for hystorectemy or something. Good to know you're okay. Have a nice day.
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Obama burns a zillion gallons of fuel to escape blame for high gas prices

America descends from tragedy to farce.
by John Hayward
03/19/2012

President Obama is very unhappy about his crashing poll numbers, and he wants Americans to know he’s the first president in history whose policies have absolutely nothing to do with the price of gas.

Here’s a public service announcement Obama put together, explaining why high gas prices are completely disconnected from White House policies.

Whoops, my mistake! That’s Barack Obama in 2008, blaming George Bush for high gas prices, which were causing unbearable suffering for working Americans. Behind him, you’ll see a sign with gas prices Obama can only dream about.

Hang on until the halfway point, and you’ll hear candidate Obama promise to reduce the price of gas once he gets into office… you know, the sort of promise he now claims is totally disingenuous and impossible, made only by ignorant Flat Earth types who keep asking impertinent questions about the hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars Obama has wasted on useless “green energy” garbage.

At any rate, the President decided it would take his own special, personal political touch to sell his new message of hopeless despair to those hard-working middle-class Americans, so he decided to launch a “5,000-mile, four-state, two-day trip on Air Force One to contain the political damage caused by high gas prices,” as reported by the Daily Caller.

It’s off to Nevada, New Mexico, Oklahoma, and Colorado for our intrepid incumbent, who will “tout his administration’s efforts to reduce the nation’s use of gasoline.”

And he’ll use a gigantic amount of fuel doing it:

His 5,000-mile trip will consume roughly 25,000 gallons of jet fuel, according to Boeing.

That adds up to a fuel bill of $80,000, assuming the Air Force buys jet fuel at the cheapest cost, now estimated at $3.20 a gallon by the U.S. Energy Administration. The retail price for jet-fuel at local airports is just over $6 a gallon, including taxes.

Still, the cheapest jet-fuel costs about 43 cents less per gallon than the $3.63 cost of auto gasoline in Columbus, in swing-state Ohio, where the president will make his final speech on the trip.
The cost of gasoline is boosted by state taxes, which amount to roughly 40 cents per gallon, according to GasBuddy.com, which tracks the cost of gasoline in each state.

The president’s support aircraft, including the C-17 cargo jets that carry his armored limousines and additional vehicles to cities before his arrival, will each burn a comparable amount of additional jet-fuel during the campaign swing.

One of Obama’s blame-avoidance campaign stops will be at the Copper Mountain Solar 1 solar-panel facility, which uses a million solar panels to provide energy to 17,000 homes. Obama will doubtless promote this facility as a great example of our New Sustainable Future. The next time you hear Obama or his apologists sneer at the 20,000 jobs that would have been created by the Keystone XL pipeline, remember that the Solar 1 facility has… five permanent employees.

As Nick Sibilla at Reason noted in February, the solar plant was built by unilaterally bypassing the kind of hyper-regulation Obama favors for all other industries, combined with incentives including $12 million in sales tax abatements for equipment purchases, a 55 percent property tax reduction for 20 years, and a 30 percent federal investment tax credit. So “green energy” works great, as long as you subsidize the crap out of it, choke off all other industries with regulatory nooses, and don’t expect more than a handful of “green jobs” to materialize.

How will the public react to Obama burning zillions of gallons of jet fuel, plus gas for his immense motorcade and limousines, to give speeches where he lectures The Little Guy on the need to get by with less gasoline, until our post-industrial low-energy future can be fully implemented in a couple of decades? Much will depend on whether the Republicans have the good sense to milk some killer campaign commercials out of it. Meanwhile, I’m looking forward to the next round of “comedians” sighing and explaining how they just can’t find anything to mock about their dreamboat President.
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Good post, dude. At first I was thinking, oh no, another dumb cartoon. But great production, right on.

It should be a no-brainer that population and economic growth has finite room for expansion. Personally, it seems to me that we are currently beyond the carrying capacity of Earth. It's only a matter of time until we have to make hard decisions about changing that - a la China, who has/had a one-child per family rule. A lot of people have their head burried in the sand over this. It's completely counter to everything we've done for thousands of years. But, is there any other answer?
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Obama burns a zillion gallons of fuel to escape blame for high gas prices

America descends from tragedy to farce.
by John Hayward
03/19/2012

President Obama is very unhappy about his crashing poll numbers, and he wants Americans to know he’s the first president in history whose policies have absolutely nothing to do with the price of gas.

Here’s a public service announcement Obama put together, explaining why high gas prices are completely disconnected from White House policies.

Whoops, my mistake! That’s Barack Obama in 2008, blaming George Bush for high gas prices, which were causing unbearable suffering for working Americans. Behind him, you’ll see a sign with gas prices Obama can only dream about.

Hang on until the halfway point, and you’ll hear candidate Obama promise to reduce the price of gas once he gets into office… you know, the sort of promise he now claims is totally disingenuous and impossible, made only by ignorant Flat Earth types who keep asking impertinent questions about the hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars Obama has wasted on useless “green energy” garbage.

At any rate, the President decided it would take his own special, personal political touch to sell his new message of hopeless despair to those hard-working middle-class Americans, so he decided to launch a “5,000-mile, four-state, two-day trip on Air Force One to contain the political damage caused by high gas prices,” as reported by the Daily Caller.

It’s off to Nevada, New Mexico, Oklahoma, and Colorado for our intrepid incumbent, who will “tout his administration’s efforts to reduce the nation’s use of gasoline.”

And he’ll use a gigantic amount of fuel doing it:

His 5,000-mile trip will consume roughly 25,000 gallons of jet fuel, according to Boeing.

That adds up to a fuel bill of $80,000, assuming the Air Force buys jet fuel at the cheapest cost, now estimated at $3.20 a gallon by the U.S. Energy Administration. The retail price for jet-fuel at local airports is just over $6 a gallon, including taxes.

Still, the cheapest jet-fuel costs about 43 cents less per gallon than the $3.63 cost of auto gasoline in Columbus, in swing-state Ohio, where the president will make his final speech on the trip.
The cost of gasoline is boosted by state taxes, which amount to roughly 40 cents per gallon, according to GasBuddy.com, which tracks the cost of gasoline in each state.

The president’s support aircraft, including the C-17 cargo jets that carry his armored limousines and additional vehicles to cities before his arrival, will each burn a comparable amount of additional jet-fuel during the campaign swing.

One of Obama’s blame-avoidance campaign stops will be at the Copper Mountain Solar 1 solar-panel facility, which uses a million solar panels to provide energy to 17,000 homes. Obama will doubtless promote this facility as a great example of our New Sustainable Future. The next time you hear Obama or his apologists sneer at the 20,000 jobs that would have been created by the Keystone XL pipeline, remember that the Solar 1 facility has… five permanent employees.

As Nick Sibilla at Reason noted in February, the solar plant was built by unilaterally bypassing the kind of hyper-regulation Obama favors for all other industries, combined with incentives including $12 million in sales tax abatements for equipment purchases, a 55 percent property tax reduction for 20 years, and a 30 percent federal investment tax credit. So “green energy” works great, as long as you subsidize the crap out of it, choke off all other industries with regulatory nooses, and don’t expect more than a handful of “green jobs” to materialize.

How will the public react to Obama burning zillions of gallons of jet fuel, plus gas for his immense motorcade and limousines, to give speeches where he lectures The Little Guy on the need to get by with less gasoline, until our post-industrial low-energy future can be fully implemented in a couple of decades? Much will depend on whether the Republicans have the good sense to milk some killer campaign commercials out of it. Meanwhile, I’m looking forward to the next round of “comedians” sighing and explaining how they just can’t find anything to mock about their dreamboat President.
Time Magaizine ran the same type of story when Bush was in office. It's a bugger. They fly all over the country collecting donations at fancy dinners and justify it by visiting some type of industry. It's largely a sham. IMO, it is long past time for publicly funded campaigns, along with very low personal contribution limits of something like a hundred dollars. And for Christ's sake, a corporation is not a citizen! Besides, the people who own stock in corporations already have a vote and can donate. So in reality they are currently getting twice the influence that non-stockholders are. What a bankrupt decision Citizen's United was!
But where was I? There is no need for a full year of campaigning that is nothing more than a string of lies and exagerations. It's just ridiculous what passes for campaigning. Here's an idea: Create a government television station. All national and state candidates with x-number of supporters will be given time on that station. Any citizen can tune in to see what's up. If you don't want to hear it you can choose not to. Ads on any other station would be illegal. Phuck the SCOTUS's interpretation of the Constitution, and whatever else. I'm sick of politicians and the disfunctional political process enough to change anything and everything
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BTW, the 20,000 job figure for Keystone is HIGHLY exagerated. So is pretty much everything else in politics...including this author's monumental bias.

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President's aren't to blame for rising fuel costs. Anyone who says that is instantly known to be stupid or partisan. Which are you?
How ironic that people who tout the free market don't seem to understand the oil market. Except to the slightest degree, it is beyond U.S. government control, just the way free market ideologs want it to be. Be careful what you ask for is indeed a bit of wisdom.

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Even if the US could produce 100% of it's oil needs, the oil companies would not sell it for 1 cent less than the world market price unless of course the government wanted to subsidize gasoline prices or nationalize oil companies. Here is a J Leno joke back in the Bush days
"Republicans in Congress are demanding that President Bush investigate whether oil companies are now gouging consumers on these gas prices. That's a good idea, Republicans asking Republicans to investigate other Republicans. And you know who they're going to blame? The Democrats." --Jay Leno.
Gasoline prices are going to rise regardless how much oil can be pumped from the ground. It isn't Obama's fault anymore now than it was Bush's fault back in 2007/2008. The rise in world demand and geopolitical issues such as Iran means that the world will continue to pay a premium on oil. The days of $ 2.50/gal gas is over. The rest of the developed world has been paying way more for gas than the in the US. Every time I visit your country, I can't believe how much cheaper gas really is. But I do understand that it is all relative.
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Even if the US could produce 100% of it's oil needs, the oil companies would not sell it for 1 cent less than the world market price unless of course the government wanted to subsidize gasoline prices or nationalize oil companies. Here is a J Leno joke back in the Bush days
"Republicans in Congress are demanding that President Bush investigate whether oil companies are now gouging consumers on these gas prices. That's a good idea, Republicans asking Republicans to investigate other Republicans. And you know who they're going to blame? The Democrats." --Jay Leno.
Gasoline prices are going to rise regardless how much oil can be pumped from the ground. It isn't Obama's fault anymore now than it was Bush's fault back in 2007/2008. The rise in world demand and geopolitical issues such as Iran means that the world will continue to pay a premium on oil. The days of $ 2.50/gal gas is over. The rest of the developed world has been paying way more for gas than the in the US. Every time I visit your country, I can't believe how much cheaper gas really is. But I do understand that it is all relative.
Speculators trade in oil (and gasoline) futures and are mostly responsible for the recent runup in pump prices. Sure, worldwide demand and regional geo-political conflicts modestly affect the pricing. However, radical environmentalists have tied our hands. They've ruined everything with their green movements. MMGW, overpopulation, sustainable BS policies, etc...
Renewable energy initiatives ? It goes on and on. 40 years or more of it have castrated the ability of a once great nation to be self dependent. If it would all just magically go away tomorrow and our coastlines were opened to offshore drilling and nukeplants had some redtape removed, things would get better quickly.

If people really wanted to buy electric cars the chevy volt would be selling.
It's not. But the gov central planners still want to force this crap down our throats. Just like all good little commies. Face it, we did it to ourselves by allowing the environmental movement to feed us our own balls.

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