Right-Wing perverts

[Area 51]

Originally Posted by twin-nut

How about we talk flat tax or something. You know when everybody pays their fare share no exemptions no excuses,whether you pay a billion or 100 bucks, at least you pay type of system. Sounds positively fair. Or how about a good socialist European or Canadian VAT-value added tax. Maybe like 15-20% on everything like Germany. A hundred dollar pair of sneakers won't seem so good any more when it's 120 bucks.

A flat tax is regressive - just saying. Taking 15% of a poor persons income is like taking 15% of their being. Taking 15% of a wealthy individuals income is like...nothing. And there's a lot of wealthy who have the grand accomplishment of producing nothing for this country except support tax attorneys in never-ending quests to lessen their tax "burdon" .

Think about it this way, we have a system, we are a country, a people, a grand experiment. The SYSTEM is a combination of free market capitalism and socialist engineering. All countries are a combination of the two...or more. The system is what makes wealth generation possible. Entrepreneurs are protected and enabled to do what they do. Government plays a huge role in that (often times too much so, of course). As a reward for living under this umbrella successful individuals are asked to give payback. It's part of the game. Part of what makes the system work. A flat tax will degrade this country. It'd be better for a very small part of the population and bad for most of the rest. The net affect is that the country suffers.

I think a consumption tax might work well though. As I've always said, an income tax is a disincentive for work. Seems like a bad idea to me.

But it'll never happen because of the various obvious reasons, mainly bribes from lobyists to congress, and a certain party's reluctance to change anything that doesn't make the military even BIGGER or save a brain-dead woman for the perception of being rightous. That's sarcasm, in case anyone didn't notice.

[XFBO]

Originally Posted by Gog

Being in bed with lawyers is only part of the tale. Dont forget, your current healthcare system takes a $350 dollar wheelchair, runs it through "the system" and voilà: a $3500 wheelchair. It aint just lawyers doing this. It's an entrenched dysfunction and a trough for the bottom feeders of all sorts.

All the more reason why I want the government to stay far and clear from the healthcare industry. Based on what you just said, wouldnt that be an accurate statement?

[twin-nut]

Area 51, I find it okay to contradict myself when I am trying to explain perception in general terms at it relates to success because simply put perception is not usually reality is it, hence the contradiction. Fact is most Americans do not want what Europeans have. Although given the youth of America I would love to have some more old world culture but not at that price.

So you don't like flat tax because it is regressive. You must have read the article on Yahoo finance today or yesterday. You can't have your cake and eat it too. The wealthy are not going to start paying 70% just so the middle class does not even pay 15% after deductions. The poor pay almost nothing if anything in federal income tax. Alot get cash back from credits like EIC. Regressive or not, people actually footing the bills in this country cannot complain so much if they were to pay a flat tax. A consumption tax might seem to be good in that wealthier folks consume at grander levels but since most of the less fortunate essentially use all there money on consumption just to get by, they are harmed more just like a flat tax.(I read that Yahoo article). Hence, you contradict yourself in liking the idea of consumption tax and not flat tax. So there .

So it seems you are in favor of progressive taxes, you are just not content that 1% of the population pays only 30% of the income taxes. Here's a question, is it fair that Bill Gates pays the same in social security as I do because it stops just over 100 grand? I say it is fair, because he will never get as much back as someone who made 30 grand for 30 years because his soc. sec. will be taxed yet again, which I also think is fair.

[nycstripes]

Originally Posted by Area 51

A flat tax is regressive - just saying. Taking 15% of a poor persons income is like taking 15% of their being. Taking 15% of a wealthy individuals income is like...nothing. And there's a lot of wealthy who have the grand accomplishment of producing nothing for this country except support tax attorneys in never-ending quests to lessen their tax "burdon" .

Think about it this way, we have a system, we are a country, a people, a grand experiment. The SYSTEM is a combination of free market capitalism and socialist engineering. All countries are a combination of the two...or more. The system is what makes wealth generation possible. Entrepreneurs are protected and enabled to do what they do. Government plays a huge role in that (often times too much so, of course). As a reward for living under this umbrella successful individuals are asked to give payback. It's part of the game. Part of what makes the system work. A flat tax will degrade this country. It'd be better for a very small part of the population and bad for most of the rest. The net affect is that the country suffers.

I think a consumption tax might work well though. As I've always said, an income tax is a disincentive for work. Seems like a bad idea to me.

But it'll never happen because of the various obvious reasons, mainly bribes from lobyists to congress, and a certain party's reluctance to change anything that doesn't make the military even BIGGER or save a brain-dead woman for the perception of being rightous. That's sarcasm, in case anyone didn't notice.

The socialist engineering thing is the most recent and probably the worst aspect of this nation's struggle to survive. Individual responsibility is slowly being removed from the equation. That makes for a lazy and unmotivated populace. Combined with targeted immigration, I say we're in serious trouble.

[RockyMt]

Since the beginning of time, there have been "haves" and "have nots" (or for you gag, sneeches, and star bellied sneeches) This is merely another way of trying to take from the "haves" without actually having to work for it or EARN it. It goes something like this, "my grand daddys grand daddy was persecuted 250 years ago by HIS grand daddys next door neighbor, and thats why I smoke crack and my kid robs 7-11's (when he's 12) and dropped outa school, SO I WANT WHAT'S "COMING" TO ME! There's no guarantees, but I've lost count of the stories I've seen personnaly of people who emigrate to America, STRUGGLE, WORK, SACRAFICE and SWEAT, and they succeed! It aint how many times you (or yer great grand daddy) get knocked down, it;s how many times ya pick yer ass up! PERIOD. Stop bitching and fookin WORK!

-Rocky-

(Or move to france with mohammed and live a 3rd class life in a 2nd class country.......)

[Area 51]

Well, I got kicked out of the Kylie forum because I told some Mexicans that their country is racked with corruption and crime, and that I'm sick of Mexican criminals coming up to California to grow their weed, killing, raping, and wrecking all over the place. Then I related how my local paper ran each photo of the twenty most wanted men in the county. All but two were hispanic, little doubt illegals from you know where. So they booted me out. Hah, hah, what a joke! I even made a point out of saying how I worked with Mexicans, respected and loved the people and culture (except for the criminals). It's a lightweight crowd over there.

Anyway, I finally got my home internet working and I found this old link which fits into this thread quite well. I especially like the two elephants at the top .

Republican Sex Offenders

Enjoy.

[G8RDuc]

Wow...you argue about being fair, yet you always argue on one-side...good job.

Harry Reid: unidicted bribe taker
Jack Murtha: unidicted bribe taker
William Jefferson: has he been indicted yet?
Hillary Clinton: unidicted bribe taker
Ed Rendell: unidicted bribe solicitor
Ted Kennedy: unindicted murderer
Pat Kennedy: unindicted (censored) drunk
Robert Menendez: unindicted bribe taker
Sharpe James: unindicted you name it
Alcee Hastings: impeached and convicted judge/representative
Ray Nagin: say, Ray, what really happened to that $250,000,000 ya got from the Corps of Engineers to fix the dike? Didja think they meant dyke?
The entire government of the City of Chicago: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Las Vegas Mayor Oscar Goodman: bribes, telling fourth graders to bring gin if they are stuck on island
How about some former office holders?
Leo McCarthy: unindicted bribe solicitor
Al Gore: unindicted bribe taker
Robert Toricelli: unindicted mafia tool and bribe taker
Jim McGreevey: unindicted bribe taker
Marion Barry: is he still out of office, or is he back again?
Bill Clinton: unindicted bribe taker, malfeasant, seller of military secrets to foriegn governments, perjurer, rapist
Gerry Studds: unindicted child rapist
Barney Frank: unidicted child whoremonger
Wisconson Senate Majority Leader Chuck Chvala, using state employees to do political work and to illegally funneling money to a state Senate campaign. (19 other counts were dropped and Chvala served no time.)
Former Sen. Brian Burke, felony and misdemeanor pleas
Tony Coelho: bond market and stock market defrauder
Gary Condit: murder
Jim McDermott: "willfull and knowing misconduct" that "rises to the level of malice".
Don Siegleman (former Alabama Governor): bribes
Richard T. Hanna D CA: accepted bribes from South Korean government
Otto Ernest Passman D. LA: accepted bribes from same, prosecution declined due to age
James Traficant D. OH: bribes, racketeering, use of staff for personal benefit
Daniel James White, San Francisco Supervisor: murder, and the reason Dianne Feinstein has a carry permit and you don't
Miscelleaneous democrat criminals:
John Wayne Gacy, rapist, murderer, democrat fund raiser
Michael Skakel, Kennedy, murderer
William Kennedy Smith, Kennedy, rapist
Brian Doyle, dem activist child molester
Neil Goldschmidt, Oregon governor, confessed child molester
Rep. Mel Reynolds, D-IL child rapist pardoned by clinton
Cynthia McKinney
Robert Byrd
Former Governor Edwin Edwards, LA: $400,000 extortion
Read this whole page for a list of democrat campaign activities. All you need for these campaign activities is a gun, a knife, some spray paint to make swastikas, some matches, and some gasoline. Sen. Daniel Inouye, accused of sexual harrassment
Former rep. Nicholas Mavroules: plead guilty to 15 corruption counts
Former Rep. Gus Savage, fondling peace corps volunteer
Former Sen. Brock Adams, rape
Former Rep. Fred Richmond, soliciting from a 16 year old
Former Rep. John Young, sexual harrassment of staffer
Former Rep. Wayne Hays, traded secretary job for blow job
Former Sen Herman Talmadge: bribery, overcoat full of cash
Former Sen. Alan Cranston: Keating five (funny how Keating, a republican, seemed to know to bribe democrats)
Former Sen. Dennis DeConcini: Keating five
Former Sen. Don Riegle: Keating five
Former Sen. John Glenn:Keating five
Former Sen. Herman Talmadge: bribery, overcoat full of cash
Former Speaker of the House Jim Wright: $145,000 'gift'
Dan Rostenkowski: chairman of the House Ways and Means committee House post office scandal
Former Sen. Harrison A. Williams: Abscam
Former Rep. John Jenrette: Abscam
Former Rep. Raymond Lederer: Abscam
Former Rep. Michael Myers: Abscam
Former Rep. Frank Thompson: Abscam
Camden Mayor Angelo Errichetti: Abscam
Former Rep. Marrio Biaggi: Wedtech. illegal use of minority no bid contracting, bribes
Former Rep. Robert Garcia: Wedtech
Former State Sen. John N. Ford: bribery, "Tennessee Waltz"
Former State Sen.Kathryn Bowers: bribery, "Tennessee Waltz"
Former State Sen. Roscoe Dixon: bribery, "Tennessee Waltz"
Former State Sen. Ward Crutchfield: bribery, "Tennessee Waltz"
Former County Committeeman William Cotton: bribery, "Tennessee Waltz"
Former County Administrator County Administrator Calvin Williams: bribery, "Tennessee Waltz,"
Judge David Lanier: eight counts of sexual assault (not harrassment)
James Lanier, power broker, TN: corruption
Secretary of Agriculture Michael Espy: criminal corruption charges
Interior Secretary Bruce Babbitt: lied to congress about Indian casino bribes
Billy Carter: Libyan agent
Ira Einhorn, rape and murder
Sandy Berger: Clinton aide, theft and destruction of classified and incriminating documents
Guilt by association department: Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., who would be speaker of the House, and the ACLU Foundation has contributed to her campaign. That’s the same ACLU that defends the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA)
John Huang: arranging $150,000 in illegal campaign contributions
Maria Hsia: illegal fundraising, possible Chinese spy working on Clinton, Gore, Ted Kennedy, Pat Kennedy campaigns
David Chang: illegal fundraising
Ron Brown: fraud, conspiracy
OMB Director Bert Lance: misuse of government funds
Two famous democrats who couldn't keep their pants on:
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
John F. Kennedy

Originally Posted by Area 51

Well, I got kicked out of the Kylie forum because I told some Mexicans that their country is racked with corruption and crime, and that I'm sick of Mexican criminals coming up to California to grow their weed, killing, raping, and wrecking all over the place. Then I related how my local paper ran each photo of the twenty most wanted men in the county. All but two were hispanic, little doubt illegals from you know where. So they booted me out. Hah, hah, what a joke! I even made a point out of saying how I worked with Mexicans, respected and loved the people and culture (except for the criminals). It's a lightweight crowd over there.

Anyway, I finally got my home internet working and I found this old link which fits into this thread quite well. I especially like the two elephants at the top .

Republican Sex Offenders

Enjoy.

[Area 51]

I knew that was coming. I didn't just fall off the turnup truck, you know. And you know what else? It doesn't bother me a bit because all rocks need to be turned over. I think some of your list could be debated though. Probably true of mine as well.

[Gog]

Wow, what an extensive list on both sides... sigh. It probably proves how amazing a country can be when the extremists are run over by co-operating reasonable ites...

[Gog]

Wow, second look at your list...
Gary Condit is a murderer?

[RockyMt]

Yeah, him and dead ted are the luminol twins................

-Rocky-

[Gog]

So they got the wrong guy in prison?

[Area 51]

Actually, Bill Clinton should be in prison for murder too . Remember how he had Vince Foster killed? Boy, aren't these guys dingy?

[RockyMt]

Actually hillary puled the trigger there, billy didn't have the balls.......

-Rocky-

[Area 51]

For once the system worked. This man was kept out of office.

Bernard Kerik Pleads Guility - ABC News

But you gotta wonder about Rudy "it's-always-9/11" Giuliani. How could he not know what kind of character Karik possessed? Maybe it's a good thing that McCain got the nomination .

[RockyMt]

As opposed to the current President tagging someone like van jones as green czar, an admitted, avowed socialist.............(among others....)

-Rocky-

[Area 51]

Since when is socialism a crime? Where's Joe McCarthy when you need him?

Karik , on the other hand, IS a criminal.
And I'll bet Giuliani would be too if someone caught him at the right moment.

[RockyMt]

We ALL are......."at the right moment"........

-Rocky-

[Area 51]

No comment.

[nero]

A51, are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Socialist party ?

Originally Posted by Area 51

No comment.

(fixed it for you )