Hope & Change we can believe in!!!!!

[XFBO]

Government opts for secrecy in wiretap suit



You Obama supporters slay me.

[nycstripes]

Obama vowed for a "new era of openness" ..."Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency," Obama said.
In his first full day in office.

[loudes13]

GWB was far from a conservative, and so is Barry (even more so).

[20_RC51_00]

Originally Posted by XFBO

Government opts for secrecy in wiretap suit



You Obama supporters slay me.

I wouldn't blame those that voted for him, but rather those that still stand by despite the contradictions.... I wouldn't even blame the Bush voters for the first term.... but the second term is just deplorable.... I don't think that the voters can be blamed in many of the situations because it all comes down to good faith.... but unfortunately the systems across the globe have proven to be weak, and politicians far too corrupt. Hopefully the WORLD learns a lesson from the current cronies that no matter how charasmatic, how well spoken and articulate the only one you can trust is yourself and vote accordingly.... unless it's for Ron Paul That man is the only one whom I would still have faith in to govern with integrity

[XFBO]

Not sure why you're quoting me regarding the voters, Im not blaming them for their vote as much as believing in the HYPE their messiah spoke just to win the big game.

I didnt agree with many things Bush did over the yrs but the one thing I respect him for is having the backbone required to take action against enemies of this country or those who swore against us......unlike his predecessor.

Now fast forward, we have a new liberal CIC with whom I dont necessarily disagree with some of his actions and/or positions.....much like the way I supported the former CIC. But the liberal yahoos are awfully quiet about the same things being done by their chosen One that Bush was practically crucified about, now how's that?

All I we hear are crickets. And I find that awfully funny in a hypocrit/pathetic way.

[Baasinator]

Originally Posted by XFBO

Not sure why you're quoting me regarding the voters, Im not blaming them for their vote as much as believing in the HYPE their messiah spoke just to win the big game.

+1

Where are all the worshipers now? What happened to all that energy? Did a few million people grow up and realize that nothing changes in Washington? Yay!

I don't have any disdain for the people that put Obama in office. There wasn't much of a choice when it came to election day. But those people who were so energetic about hope and change should now realize they were duped. If only they would focus that energy on finding genuine mid-term candidates and researching the real issues for the next big election! Fat chance.

[20_RC51_00]

Originally Posted by XFBO

Not sure why you're quoting me regarding the voters, Im not blaming them for their vote as much as believing in the HYPE their messiah spoke just to win the big game.

I didnt agree with many things Bush did over the yrs but the one thing I respect him for is having the backbone required to take action against enemies of this country or those who swore against us......unlike his predecessor.

Now fast forward, we have a new liberal CIC with whom I dont necessarily disagree with some of his actions and/or positions.....much like the way I supported the former CIC. But the liberal yahoos are awfully quiet about the same things being done by their chosen One that Bush was practically crucified about, now how's that?

All I we hear are crickets. And I find that awfully funny in a hypocrit/pathetic way.

I was not quoting you to point a finger or accuse based on what you were saying, but just as a means to build upon what I was wanting to say.

[nycstripes]

Obama is wasting no time touring the globe appologizing for being America. I am sure that there will be some sort of financial strings being drawn in order to make it more attractive to the ones getting their asses kissed by Obama.

[DesperateSP2]

That's one thing people need to understand.
Obama was hand picked to be the "People's President" after the Bush years. Both your two main parties agreed to that as they agreed for many years.
He was to be the one to show Americans (and the world) they can still depend on their government, a human faced government.
I suspect (and I understand very well someone may consider me a racist) that being black helped this choice. A completely new face for the same old apparatus.
Also while the newspapers are full of news about the Obama administration becoming all chummy with Iran, Venezuela and Cuba they are conveniently skipping over the storm brewing over Africa.
When Obama was first appointed I predicted dark times for the poor people of Africa and I still hope I may be wrong.
The Bush administration started the Pan-Sahel Initiative with France: they gave North African countries (Chad, Ethiopia, Morocco etc) weapons, intelligence and training, all in the name of "fighting terrorism". One of the last acts of that administration was obtaining a large airbase on the island-state of Sao Tomé, giving them a convenient way to keep an eye over the area without deploying expensive (and easily noticeable) aircraft carriers.
Right now there's an awful racket over piracy in the Horn of Africa but none over the same phenomenon in Asian waters.
It's well known that Hillary Clinton, a notorious "hawkish" character, has a taste for nation-building and Somalia has always been high on her list. She pushed her reluctant husband into sending US troops there, accomplishing little more than providing good material for a war movie and I bet she's already pressuring the hapless Obama into returning there.
US and French intelligence agencies have been desperately trying to link various pirate groups with al-Quaeda for months to provide an excuse for action.
This week even dirt poor Erithrea was threatened with action if she doesn't collaborate with the Team America.
Tell Ridley Scott he'd better make some plans for a Blackhawk Down sequel.

[Area 51]

Now I know that we all know that Presidents don't keep their word in absolute terms. I never expected Obama to do everything he said he'd do. Grow up everyone, you're not scoring any points by pointing out inconsistencies. But go right ahead because I believe in free flow of information. But remember it has to pass through a filter that sits between my ears. I've seen enough Presidencies, and a pResidency, to know when we are heading in the right direction.

Fact is, there is more transparency now, much more.

Now lets turn to a related topic.
Jane Harman got her nose caught in the cookie jar, so to speak.
Rep. Jane Harman denies wiretap report - Los Angeles Times

She didn't act on the request from AIPAC because she never got her sweet little position. Thank God!

But the big issue is AIPAC, and what are they doing attempting to influece our committee members with a threat of withholding donations? That's a lot like bribery, and on Jane's part would have been a lot like treason. When is everyone gonna wake up to the Israeli scourge in our political arena? Money speaks and it speaks to all of the people who work for us, but on behalf of a foreign entity...to our detrement. The system is corrupted by foreigners, corporations and the elite class, basically, anyone with lots of money and power. I hope Jane Harman gets voted out for not telling those SOB's to take a hike. AIPAC should have been reported to the justice department immediately.

[Area 51]

Originally Posted by nycstripes

Obama is wasting no time touring the globe appologizing for being America.

See, that's the kind of hyperbolic nonsense that makes you look silly. Better check your wording if you want to convey what actually happened.

[robfromsc]

Originally Posted by Area 51

See, that's the kind of hyperbolic nonsense that makes you look silly. Better check your wording if you want to convey what actually happened.

Again, Area...you never fail to fail.

There is a slight difference, that is trying to mend fences that were, without any doubt damaged by the Bush years, to being glad handled and mock by a dictator and not even knowing that your the butt of his joke. If its not spoon fed to him he has no clue whats happening, at least Bush had better string pullers, he only looked bad 68% of the time

But really this has nothing to do with Bush, its the Barry's turn now. Good to see that he's got a backbone...oh, wait, he doesnt.

The most amazing thing to me thats come out in the last 100 days is the hits that military guys are getting... having their personal insurance companies PAY BACK the fed for medical services do to combat? A our lovely Homeland Security winch suggesting that vets be on a federal watch list for terrorists...really?

Dont even get me going on gun control...

Hope and change my ass, fuk that guy and all you sheople that line up and drivle over him. He a fake! FUK THAT GUY!

[DesperateSP2]

The way servicemen are treated all around the world after putting their lives at their nation's service is disgraceful to say the least.
If Social Security doesn't want to fork the bill why doesn't AIPAC and the other chickenhawks pay for the medical bills of Iraqi War veterans? They surely have plenty of money on their hands, it would be good to see it put to a good cause for once.

[robfromsc]

Originally Posted by DesperateSP2

The way servicemen are treated all around the world after putting their lives at their nation's service is disgraceful to say the least.
If Social Security doesn't want to fork the bill why doesn't AIPAC and the other chickenhawks pay for the medical bills of Iraqi War veterans? They surely have plenty of money on their hands, it would be good to see it put to a good cause for once.

and AIG gets their hands into more bailout cash.... and these guys bust their asses in horrible conditions. Hope and change..what a farse.

[Area 51]

I can't disagree with that. If I were President all that and everything else too would change...but I'd soon find there was no appetite for that in Washington. It's a systemic failure. One man cannot change it, not that I expected Obama to. I'm just feeling a lot better with him there than Bush/Cheney. For one thing there now is only one prayer group in the White house - before there were two. I'll take that and sleep at night.

[Area 51]

Originally Posted by robfromsc

Again, Area...you never fail to fail.

FUK THAT GUY!

I've failed three or four times. But only because I drank too much.

Love your language and honesty. Keep it coming.

[robfromsc]

Originally Posted by Area 51

For one thing there now is only one prayer group in the White house - before there were two. I'll take that and sleep at night.

So what prayer group is that? I see nothing Holy coming from the CIC.

[nycstripes]

Its the prayer group that shouts "God Damn America"...

[robfromsc]

Originally Posted by nycstripes

Its the prayer group that shouts "God Damn America"...

Bow to no man!

[RockyMt]

Looks like 'bama carrying on where Monica left off...............

-Rocky-