I often wondered why Canadian's with a grudge flocked to US motorcycle boards...

[nycstripes]

I was unaware that our neighbors to the North do not have the freedom of speech as we understand it. It makes more sense now why the politic trolls like Gog come here so often...its basically not a freedom he can enjoy at home in Canada...
So maybe we can charge a toll for the trolling posts that come across the border? We could start a BS Tax and use it towards tires..track season cometh..
I feel so congressional (liberal) now, I have found someone to tax.


The following is from a Washington Post report on the ongoing loss of freedoms in Canada:

Whether you call it over-sensitive political correctness or an abiding sense of fairness and decency, Canada has embraced it like a . . . well, never mind. Through its human rights laws and hate speech codes, broadcast standards and myriad "voluntary" industry guidelines, Canada makes no bones about its determination to impose liberal-minded limits on public discourse.

Although the 1982 Charter of Rights and Freedoms put free speech and a free press into the bedrock of Canadian law, neither the public nor Canada's courts views these rights as absolutely as Americans have come to view the First Amendment. The Canadian Supreme court has ruled in a series of cases that the government may limit free speech in the name of other worthwhile goals, such as ending discrimination, ensuring social harmony or promoting equality of the sexes.

Canada's most powerful tool against politically incorrect speech is its hate speech code, which prohibits any statement that is "likely to expose a person or group of persons to hatred or contempt" because of "race, color, ancestry, place of origin, religion, marital status, family status, physical or mental disability, sex, sexual orientation or age." Prosecutors are not required to show proof of malicious intent or actual harm to win convictions in hate speech cases, and courts in some jurisdictions have ruled that it does not matter whether the statements are truthful.

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Lorne Gunter, The Edmonton Journal

Published: Sunday, March 30 2008

All you need to know about how rotten the Canadian Human Rights Commission (CHRC) is -- how undemocratic and anti-freedom it has become -- is that in hate-speech complaints, the commission has a 100-per-cent conviction rate.

No one who has ever been hauled before it for allegedly uttering hate speech has ever been acquitted.

Such a rate is impossible for a democratic institution because the state is never always right and the defendant never always guilty. This happens in dictatorships where those in charge control every aspect of the judicial system and there is no impartiality or independence. But it should not happen in a purportedly open, unprejudiced tribunal.

[RockyMt]

Gee, THAT explains a LOT!.................poor gag, the only place he can scream like a little bitch is the web!!!!! (as long as mommies in the other room, or else it's early to bed with NO bedtime stories about al (puke!) gore saving the planet from the evil neo cons........

-Rocky-

[RockyMt]

Hey gag, watch this,

FAG!
FAG!
FAG!
FAG!

HAVE ME ARRESTED!

-Rocky-

[916WI]

Originally Posted by RockyMt

Hey gag, watch this,

FAG!
FAG!
FAG!
FAG!

HAVE ME ARRESTED!

-Rocky-

Thanks for making me almost spit pepsi all over my keyboard.......too funny!

[Baasinator]

Since our deranged Canadian types his "hate speech" from someplace in Canada, can't we report him to the Mounties or something?

[Area 51]

I'll bet the characterization of Canadian free speech is more paranoid conservative whining (a la Rush Limbaugh) but lets just assume it's true.

In the U.S. we've got a system that says corporate donations to politicians is protected free speech. It's so obviously legalized bribery. So I wouldn't be casting stones about who is corrupt or deficient. We've got our own problems.

[RockyMt]

Not slamming the system as much as the "poster" (boy)

-Rocky-

[Gog]

Originally Posted by nycstripes

I was unaware that our neighbors to the North do not have the freedom of speech as we understand it. It makes more sense now why the politic trolls like Gog come here so often...its basically not a freedom he can enjoy at home in Canada...
Well now, we also decided we dont want our citizens blasted by gun fire like yours are. If one goes shooting one's guns OR one's racist, bully mouth off up here, one goes to jail! I dont feel less free...
Good riddance to hillbillies is what I say.

So maybe we can charge a toll for the trolling posts that come across the border?
Thats right, make sure and be careful to attack speech, but leave the physical borders wide open..lol.
We could start a BS Tax
Is that an abbreviation of BuSh?
I feel so congressional (liberal) now, I have found someone to tax.
You certainly dont tax yourself. Are you the philosophical equivalent of a tax evader?
American cyberspace... E borders.. love it. How new are you to the internets?
The following is from a Washington Post report on the ongoing loss of freedoms in Canada:

Whether you call it over-sensitive political correctness or an abiding sense of fairness and decency, Canada has embraced it like a . . . well, never mind. Through its human rights laws and hate speech codes, broadcast standards and myriad "voluntary" industry guidelines, Canada makes no bones about its determination to impose liberal-minded limits on public discourse.

Although the 1982 Charter of Rights and Freedoms put free speech and a free press into the bedrock of Canadian law, neither the public nor Canada's courts views these rights as absolutely as Americans have come to view the First Amendment. The Canadian Supreme court has ruled in a series of cases that the government may limit free speech in the name of other worthwhile goals, such as ending discrimination, ensuring social harmony or promoting equality of the sexes.

Canada's most powerful tool against politically incorrect speech is its hate speech code, which prohibits any statement that is "likely to expose a person or group of persons to hatred or contempt" because of "race, color, ancestry, place of origin, religion, marital status, family status, physical or mental disability, sex, sexual orientation or age." Prosecutors are not required to show proof of malicious intent or actual harm to win convictions in hate speech cases, and courts in some jurisdictions have ruled that it does not matter whether the statements are truthful.

We sometimes refer to it as the anti Nazi or anti hillbilly code. Once we realized how fruitless and useless hate is... well, let's just say, it's working. I want the laws that help racists and bullies to a well deserved extinction.
When I think of cowards and liars running countries into the ground... I just have to be glad they're not in power right now, democracy has been relatively effective and has worked... and most Americans rejected lying, spying and bullying as a way of demonstrating American values.

[quote]
We dont frick around with racist bullies up here. They get shut down or arrested and jailed!
You know, it just makes things better in the long run. Who needs fearful, little men in a politics, police forces or the military? All they do is stain and impede the good guys(90%) and disjoint society. Who needs people who get ahead by abusing others or upholding the law by breaking the law? Who needs the fix up bill after these degenerates break law and trust? I dont need to spend my tax money fixing the damage caused by hillbilly racists. Or try to regain the trust broken by these hate mongering, wasted human beings. Thank God they are so few and far between up here.

It used to be almost universally true.. "A man's home is his castle". those days are over. How are you liking socialism so far?

[Old Fart]

Originally Posted by RockyMt

Not slamming the system as much as the "poser" (boy)

-Rocky-

fixed

[Old Fart]

Tired of Communists parading as Marxists parading as Fascists parading as Liberals-all the while parading as Democrats.



Oh sorry Gog,, thats for people south of your border

[Gog]

Originally Posted by Old Fart

Tired of Communists parading as Marxists parading as Fascists parading as Liberals-all the while parading as Democrats.
Oh sorry Gog,, thats for people south of your border

Oh sorry Gog,, thats for the people south of your border to figure out

NP, OF, fixed it for ya.

[RockyMt]

Yeah gag, figured you'd be the first brownshirt to volunteer for the thought police, kinda like a government version of yer mommie, there to tell you what to say and how to think, how modern. The problem is, it would never work here in America, (land of the FREE) the first time some pencil neck geek like you tries to tell someone what they can't say, as it's not P.C., they'd be standing in line at a dental clinic waiting for dentures. Here in America we have laws specifically to protect pinheads like you, you can say whatever you want (just be sure you are man enough to back it up!) Remember that next time you slither across my border to get some QUALITY health care, or some Quality America pussy. (or dick in your case) Ya see, we're not scared of letting people speak their mind, that way it's easier to find the facists (like YOU) And as far as gun control, we have that taken care of too son, it's called p-r a-c-t-i-c-e, hell, even my wife can hold a 3" group at 20 yards!

-Rocky-

[nycstripes]

Originally Posted by Gog

It used to be almost universally true.. "A man's home is his castle". those days are over. How are you liking socialism so far?

Well at least you're on the right track. Obama is definitely a socialist and no I don't like his attempts to make that the political policy here. I think for the time being we'll fare better with our wanna-be socialist DemocRAT led government than you will with your lack of certain freedoms in Canada. At least we're opposed to the government trying to make the transition to socialism. You've apparently rolled over and allowed it to happen. Gun confiscations included.
So how are YOU dealing with socialism??

[nycstripes]

Originally Posted by Area 51

I'll bet the characterization of Canadian free speech is more paranoid conservative whining (a la Rush Limbaugh) but lets just assume it's true.

Nice try...

[Gog]

Originally Posted by nycstripes

Well at least you're on the right track. Obama is definitely a socialist and no I don't like his attempts to make that the political policy here.
He's not attempting... it's progressively and rapidly becoming a cold, hard fact.
I think for the time being we'll fare better with our wanna-be socialist DemocRAT led government than you will with your lack of certain freedoms in Canada.
If you think you're 100% free you're fooled or deluded.

At least we're opposed to the government trying to make the transition to socialism.
It's a little late to oppose something you made happen. That is the ultimate flip flop! First you were for trickle down, now you're against it? Blaming others is like Captain E.J. Smith blaming the steerage passengers or the ordinary seaman for the berg strike. The responsibility is square on Mr. Smith's shoulders. Obama is trying to avoid the right wing, "half filled life boats" response again! We saw during Katrina that GWB & Co. is a half filled lifeboats kind of guy.
You've apparently rolled over and allowed it to happen.
I highly recommend it.
Gun confiscations included.
Cant be perfect.
So how are YOU dealing with socialism??

I am not a huge gun control freak but when I look at America's record/behaviour and cost of "gun freedoms" I can understand how its attracting the anti gun zealots and begging for those wretched reforms. You know, when you say "mission accomplished" or "everything "fundamentally strong" you just know that the shit is gonna hit the fan. Yet, the right wingers do what they do and invite sweeping reforms and retaliations.... the pendulum swings.
To allow such numbers of people to be butchered by guns every year. It's like a small city get wiped out every season.
A law abiding man should be able to own and practice his gun if he chooses. However, if laws a relaxed enough to cause such numbers of deaths then... a compromise of some kind really should be on the table.

Try reading something other than frothing Limblogs regarding Canada being an axis of evil socialists. We're in pretty good financial shape and have some great protections for our citizen's health and freedoms. I dont know anybody complaining the way Americans are. I dont sense any great divide between left and right like you guys have. We havent let the tail wag the dog like you guys have. ... YET

We fear right wingism like you guys fear socialism. I dont see anything wrong with busting down a man's door if he's molesting his kids or beating his wife. I dont see anything wrong with banning Nazi/gay/immigrant/race hate speech or parades and calls for genocide. Fvck em, all they bring is the end progress and lay waste to all of the hard work of true Nation Builders. I really have no use for them and my country is better off stuffing jail down their toxic throats. On top of being destroyers, they cost more than they are worth.

The problem with human rights abusers is that they never stop. Their list of "unworthy people" is ever expanding and always justified.
We must always refine the laws and enforce them mercilessly.

David Ahenakew: enough, already
Here's our law standing up for Israelis... Ok Canadian Jews however, American neocons should applaud that!

[overthetop]

Careful what you say about us"Canadians" remember we can pee in the water we send you. ......lol

[mtmansl]

I don't think the post is really bashing all Canadians just pointing the hypocrisy of a few bigmouths that frequent this board.

Matthew

[overthetop]

Originally Posted by mtmansl

I don't think the post is really bashing all Canadians just pointing the hypocrisy of a few bigmouths that frequent this board.

Matthew

Sorry Matt I did't realise we had big mouth's up here as well ? guess I can throw away those jugs of piss I've been saving......lol

[jetfixer]

I always love American-Canadian back and forths. It's funny to see the reactions. Fox News recent bashing of the Canadian Military (of which I am a memeber) didn't even really bother me as our military has been bashed for most of the 21 years I have been in it. I lived in the USA for a decent period of time and made a lot of friends there. I think the long exposure of Canadians to them was an eye opener as was their exposure to me. A$$holes live on both sides of the border, and a countries politics are not a direct reflection of it's citzens. I think we flock to many US forums because we don't have ones like it in Canada. There isn't anything close to this in Canada for RC51 stuff. Someone mentioned their girlfriend gets 3" groupings at 20 yards. My ex-girlfriend couldn't hit a frying pan at 10 yards, it was shamefull to watch. Oh, and the reason Canada's crime rate is lower than the USA is because it's too cold to go outside and cause $hit. I still have 2 feet of snow on the ground here, the police just have to follow footprints in the snow to catch someone.

overthetop: Jugs of piss; man I laughed. It reminded me of Trailer Park Boys and the piss jugs.

[Area 51]

Originally Posted by jetfixer

Fox News recent bashing of the Canadian Military (of which I am a memeber) didn't even really bother me as our military has been bashed for most of the 21 years I have been in it.

That's a good thing. It means your not blowing your wad on a big ole beaurocracy that runs all over the globe putting out fires and leveraging the little guys to do your bidding. Congratulations on having some smarts.