Found this gem on the 'other' forum I frequent, surprisingly, it was posted by another Canadian know it all who was/is a major Obama supporter. Apparently, reality struck this man down deep enough into the ground that it must of taken everything in him to find the cojones required to post it up, knowing the heat he'd take by his political rivals.
What say you? Try not to choke if you're having lunch.
Yesterday in the 9th circuit appeals court the DoJ asserted "state secrets" as the reason to dismiss Binyam et al v Jeppesen Dataplan, meaning they just flip-flopped 180 degrees on Obama's campaign promise to end Dubya's reliance on “state secrets” as a way to prevent judicial oversight and accountability of the executive branch decisions (in this case involving kidnapping, torturing and illegal detention). From BarackObama.com:
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The Problem
Secrecy Dominates Government Actions: The Bush administration has ignored public disclosure rules and has invoked a legal tool known as the "state secrets" privilege more than any other previous administration to get cases thrown out of civil court.
Apparently the operative words above describing the problem is “The Bush administration,” since the Obama administration is now doing the exact same thing.
Nobody (not even the ACLU) argues the state secrets privilege is invalid but the DoJ isn't claiming certain facts or documents need to be withheld. Their reasoning is that the entire case must be dismissed. Because they say so. Yet the (very gruesome) evidence in this case is already public knowledge and the legal basis for invoking the privilege is to prevent damage to programs that no longer exist. Very disappointing...
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So much for Hope & Change.......eh?
Mind you, I dont think it was the wrong thing to do while GWB was doing it as I dont think it's wrong now seeing Obama doing it.
Apparently, there's a lot more to national security than the majority of loony libs want to accept.
Man if that dude, doing the beating, was a whitie we wouldnt have heard the end of that altercation. When did that happen and why didnt it make the news?
FWIW- the person was obviously NOT complying so fvck'em.
Found this gem on the 'other' forum I frequent, surprisingly, it was posted by another Canadian know it all who was/is a major Obama supporter. Apparently, reality struck this man down deep enough into the ground that it must of taken everything in him to find the cojones required to post it up, knowing the heat he'd take by his political rivals.
What say you? Try not to choke if you're having lunch.
Yesterday in the 9th circuit appeals court the DoJ asserted "state secrets" as the reason to dismiss Binyam et al v Jeppesen Dataplan, meaning they just flip-flopped 180 degrees on Obama's campaign promise to end Dubya's reliance on “state secrets” as a way to prevent judicial oversight and accountability of the executive branch decisions (in this case involving kidnapping, torturing and illegal detention). From BarackObama.com:
Apparently the operative words above describing the problem is “The Bush administration,” since the Obama administration is now doing the exact same thing.
Nobody (not even the ACLU) argues the state secrets privilege is invalid but the DoJ isn't claiming certain facts or documents need to be withheld. Their reasoning is that the entire case must be dismissed. Because they say so. Yet the (very gruesome) evidence in this case is already public knowledge and the legal basis for invoking the privilege is to prevent damage to programs that no longer exist. Very disappointing...
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So much for Hope & Change.......eh?
Mind you, I dont think it was the wrong thing to do while GWB was doing it as I dont think it's wrong now seeing Obama doing it.
Apparently, there's a lot more to national security than the majority of loony libs want to accept.
what did you expect? change? If one is willing to believe the word of a politicians then they don't have a fighting chance in life...
If you think Ron Paul is any different than the rest of them, you're sadly mistaken.
I'm not sure if you understood the point of this thread......I (amongst many other ppl) already knew all the false promises were Barry's way of getting elected, all the suckers who fell for the HOPE n CHANGE bit for the past 1.5 yrs fell right into his trap. And look, not one person has even come forward to call out their hero for doing the exact same things as Bush has done. Media included.
The ONLY "change I can believe in" is in the jar on my dresser.....lotsa quarters and dimes!!
-Rocky-
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If you think Ron Paul is any different than the rest of them, you're sadly mistaken.
I'm not sure if you understood the point of this thread......I (amongst many other ppl) already knew all the false promises were Barry's way of getting elected, all the suckers who fell for the HOPE n CHANGE bit for the past 1.5 yrs fell right into his trap. And look, not one person has even come forward to call out their hero for doing the exact same things as Bush has done. Media included.
Bunch of sheep.
Couldn't agree more about the sheep comment, but I have to disagree about Ron Paul. He is different, and he has the record to prove it. He is the exception that proves the rule.
Good news in this neck of the woods today. If Bunning decides to not seek re-election, Ron Paul's son Rand Paul said he will step up and run for that Senate seat. I like Bunning, but I think this would be a step in the right direction. I'd rather see him take McConnell's seat, but that ain't gonna happen.
Couldn't agree more about the sheep comment, but I have to disagree about Ron Paul. He is different, and he has the record to prove it. He is the exception that proves the rule.
Good news in this neck of the woods today. If Bunning decides to not seek re-election, Ron Paul's son Rand Paul said he will step up and run for that Senate seat. I like Bunning, but I think this would be a step in the right direction. I'd rather see him take McConnell's seat, but that ain't gonna happen.
+1 Ron Paul is genuine, there is something there other then skin color and charisma.
There's a lot to like about Ron Paul but his newsletter scandel takes some of the wind out of his sails, IMO. No one can know the exact involvement that Ron had in that. It will always be his asterisk, sort of like Barry, Roger, Alex, Jason, Mark, Sammy...
__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) "When fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and holding a cross." Sinclair Lewis I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
There's a lot to like about Ron Paul but his newsletter scandel takes some of the wind out of his sails, IMO. No one can know the exact involvement that Ron had in that. It will always be his asterisk, sort of like Barry, Roger, Alex, Jason, Mark, Sammy...
I have not come across this, could you please provide a reference if you have one? thanks.
Woulda been cool to put a Devo soundtrack to that video, "whip it, whip it good..........."
-Rocky-
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Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
If you think Ron Paul is any different than the rest of them, you're sadly mistaken.
After hearing a reference to "leaflet gate" I may be agreeing soon.
I'm not sure if you understood the point of this thread......I (amongst many other ppl) already knew all the false promises were Barry's way of getting elected, all the suckers who fell for the HOPE n CHANGE bit for the past 1.5 yrs fell right into his trap. And look, not one person has even come forward to call out their hero for doing the exact same things as Bush has done. Media included.
Bunch of sheep.
The reason nobody has disputed you is because you're nuts. Facts roll off your back like water off a quack. Obama told the American people what he was going to do, he's now doing it. Republicans act surprised because their heads were up their asses with "fundamentally strong" and "mission accomplished" failures consuming their petty politics. BTW, the majority of Americans heard what he(Obama) said and voted for him. I challenge you to explain to us how that is NOT how democracy works. He is doing what he said he would do. Bush, on the other hand... well do you want another full, documented, video list of his bold faced lies and catastrophic failures? I didnt think so.
Obama gets elected in a landslide and you deniers are still at it. Fer fvcks sake.
If Bush called his stolen election a "mandate" then, according to that logic, Barry has the go ahead for a supreme rule. So, what exactly is it? Are you guys just pathetic, sore losers? Are you guys pathological liars or are you so brainwashed and imprinted that no matter what, you'll sell your crap as wholeheartedly as a mooney in an airport? Is it the fact that you guys cannot man up to your failures or that you cannot face the changing landscape or the new realities? It's one or the other, or both.
How ironic that a bit player in the stooge production of Gop's Animal Farm is calling the fixer uppers sheep. Wowser.
The reason nobody has disputed you is because you're nuts. Facts roll off your back like water off a quack. Obama told the American people what he was going to do, he's now doing it. Republicans act surprised because their heads were up their asses with "fundamentally strong" and "mission accomplished" failures consuming their petty politics. BTW, the majority of Americans heard what he(Obama) said and voted for him. I challenge you to explain to us how that is NOT how democracy works. He is doing what he said he would do. Bush, on the other hand... well do you want another full, documented, video list of his bold faced lies and catastrophic failures? I didnt think so.
Obama gets elected in a landslide and you deniers are still at it. Fer fvcks sake.
If Bush called his stolen election a "mandate" then, according to that logic, Barry has the go ahead for a supreme rule. So, what exactly is it? Are you guys just pathetic, sore losers? Are you guys pathological liars or are you so brainwashed and imprinted that no matter what, you'll sell your crap as wholeheartedly as a mooney in an airport? Is it the fact that you guys cannot man up to your failures or that you cannot face the changing landscape or the new realities? It's one or the other, or both.
How ironic that a bit player in the stooge production of Gop's Animal Farm is calling the fixer uppers sheep. Wowser.
I have yet to see one thing that obama has delivered on to this date....
Yes, he has started talk of closing gitmo....but even his cohort have made the same arguments against it as previous administrations have, not resolving these challenges but maintining that these challenges are reason to keep it open or delay the process of closure....
regarding bringing the soldiers home, he has tentative plans to withdrw from iraq but then sent more to afghanistan.... bringing soldiers home is not the same thing as shuffleing them around from one place to the other...
Regarding cleaning house in washington and ushering in a new era of governance there has been nothing effective that has come from obama. one of the main reasons that people got on the obama train was becuase of his "say it like it is" "no more mister nice guy" stance towards the BS going on in washington but he again has not delivered....
Regarding the economy he has been back and forth not providing clear answers or even the semblance of having a calculated plan (regardless the false assumption that a govt should step in and control an economy under a free market system is false pretense by principle and expecting the free market and it's participants to respond posiively to govt intervention is bogus) to deal with the banking situation, detroit, and unemployment. The markets have further faltered due to the administrations ability to give definite answers and indication of the the "new rules" of the game. without the expectionations the participants in the market can not take calculated risks because there are extraneous variables that makes them uneasy... IMO When the single largest employer of a country is the govt you know that it is no longer a free market, sounds more like the USSR...
whether or not one agrees with these measure as the right/wrong is irrelavent. the point is that the actions have yet to back the words.
Obamba has yet to deliver anything other then very well crafted and unparalleled public speeches, perhaps unlike anything seen before, but there has been no substance as of yet...
There's a lot to like about Ron Paul but his newsletter scandel takes some of the wind out of his sails, IMO. No one can know the exact involvement that Ron had in that. It will always be his asterisk, sort of like Barry, Roger, Alex, Jason, Mark, Sammy...
I don't remember the details, but the idea was that he's a racist and a bigot, right? All I know is that if he some sort of dangerous agenda, we probably would have seen more about it after 30 years in public service! If that's all they have against him, I don't think it's worth discussing.
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Obama told the American people what he was going to do, he's now doing it.
-I have yet to see one thing that obama has delivered on to this date....
-he has tentative plans
-there has been nothing effective that has come from obama.
-he again has not delivered....
-not providing clear answers or even the semblance of having a calculated plan
-regardless the false assumption
-free market system is false pretense
-expecting the free market and it's participants to respond posiively to govt intervention is bogus
-The markets have further faltered due to the administrations ability to give definite answers
risks because there are extraneous variables that makes them uneasy...
-sounds more like the USSR...
-the actions have yet to back the words.
-Obamba has yet to deliver anything
-here has been no substance as of yet...
I just lined up your negatives... impressive! Do I detect a bias? I wonder how many negatives you'll have after eight years? Whatever will you do if he does the opposite of Bush and makes a success of everything?
Maybe you're used to the CHARGE! approach by Bush and his band of bonobos. You know the "do something..anything" crowd. However, I'd say that an intellectual man who speaks smartly and confidently is good for your country. I thought you would have been sooo impatient with the massive list of Bush blunders that you would have some patience for the repair job... no matter who was elected.
You know, it's one thing to expect your plumber to only take two hours to fix the sink but if your house burns down and still want your sink fixed in two hours...well...um...
Doesnt seem to matter that this fat pig, is wrong about everything... grown men actually tune into this pimple ass for their "truths". We do not need anymore of these fat ass, neo conservative, draft dodging lesbians anymore!!!!!!
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This is what you get with your vote for neo conservatives. Training people for Katrina like responses by telling them that the founding fathers of America were terrorists? lol
Meanwhile, when it is time to preform. they fail, like Wall St. Bush and the various CEOs of the meltdown...
Oh, I'm sorry gag, were we supposed to be paying attention to you?
-Rocky-
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Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
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