You gotta admit, it'd be funny if a thread that was entitled 'evolution' ended with sticks and stones.
Rocky, save your bravado for a worthy cause, this isnt. I only want to insult a certain part of you. Not your country, your army or your family. It's obvious you didnt become a soldier to protect freedom of speech, choice or expression, but I am sure you have some noble, magnanimous reasons. What is truly painful is to hear you laud your service over other people in a conceited condescending and repetitive manner. Thats OK too I suppose but, after a while, we've all heard it and it only serves to swerve us off topic... for the worse usually.
I just jump in with a super nasty retort once and a while when I get sick of your familial insults. Doesnt mean I dont love ya. I know you understand a person being a little sensitive about his family. Even when you troll with drivel and demean and derail a perfectly good conversation, I realize there will always be a Rocky... Once you're understood, it's not all bad. You are funny a lot of times and pretty smart but hey...
Where do we go with the super personal insults and threats? What do you want? A fair fight like you shooting me from a helicopter? Gonna nuke me? Invade my country? Physically attack me? Box me? Race me?
It's best if we just ease off the triggers that generate retaliation and spite. I'm up for it. We dont need to be friendly but we obviously lower the level, with our vitriol, so much that we drive away so many who have great things to say. I am guilty!
I have tried to just ignore some of your stuff but... It's also fun to drop bombs on you.... My bad. So, for the sake of semi reasonable decorum, for others and for ourselves, I ask you to back off a bit and I can too. I am sorry for the cripple comment.
Call me boy one more time and I'll piss in your gas tank.
As of this month I employ one person...myself. Quit a nineteen year gig to have more life to myself before I die. I've traded wealth and subserviance for poverty and freedom. So far so good.
Sounds like a good plan to me, I'd like to do the same within 5 years, but when you have others who depend on you to keep them going. it becomes more complicated. Wealth is an illusion, you merely end up with a higher level of debt! (not that I'd know, I'm just tryin' to keep on keepin on.... ). And as far as marrying someone with "skills", THAT'S the golden ticket! Keep 'em happy, and life is good!
Semper Fi!
-Rocky-
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Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
Gog, that was the most straightforward and therefore presumable honest post I have read from you. I do enjoy your stream of consciousness wrting though.
Here are some thoughts from a great man probably before he starting going a little senile.
"Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it." -Ronald Reagan
'Here's my strategy on the Cold War:
We win, they lose.'
- Ronald Reagan
'The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'-Ronald Reagan
'The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.'
-Ronald Reagan
'Of the four wars in my lifetime, none came about because the U.S. Was too strong.'- Ronald Reagan
'I have wondered at times about what the Ten Commandments would have looked like if Moses had run them through the U.S. Congress.' -Ronald Reagan
'The taxpayer: That's someone who works for the federal government but doesn't have to take the civil service examination.'- Ronald Reagan
'Government is like a baby: An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other.'- Ronald Reagan
'The nearest thing to eternal life we will ever see on this earth is a government program.' - Ronald Reagan
'It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first.'- Ronald Reagan
'Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it'
- Ronald Reagan
'Politics is not a bad profession. If you succeed, there are many rewards; if you disgrace yourself, you can always write a book.'- Ronald Reagan
'No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is as formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.'- Ronald Reagan
'If we ever forget that we're one nation under GOD, then we will be a nation gone under.'-Ronald Reagan
Somewhere in these quotes is a thought that pertains not only to the topic at hand but also many of the threads here in the War Room and Lounge.
Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
RR did some things that I totally disagree with... but I liked a lot of what he did. He had some serious credibility in many areas. He was funny as hell. What is important for me is to realize that the half of him I liked, struck a balance between applying conservatism, mitigating liberalism and the other half, well lets just say I detest the extreme of the right. I liked NOT being straddled and ridden into the ground with an unbalanced, extremist, unlawful agenda that we saw under Bush & Co.
It's obvious that GWB had, basically, a good heart. I dont see hatred in his face but I do see dishonesty, delusion and a sociopolitical indoctrination that doesnt have the good of all incorporated into it...
I truly feel that one of Reagan's biggest mistakes was to let the extreme right 'hatch' under his nose....He should have told them NEVER to treat the Constitution as a 'god damned piece of paper'....He should have realized that the church was creeping into the constitution and that was going to spell disaster...
I wonder what Reagan would think of DNA, genome etc?
Ronald Reagan was a great American, his biggest failure was his son........
Semper Fi!
-Rocky-
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Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
But just because someone is/was a great patriot doesnt mean they were right about everything critical or moral....or that they understood their world the way a child of their future will, or that other people are totally wrong to disagree. Let's face it, it is likely that the average child of the future will understand earth and science better most 'experts' today.
When grown, 'modern' men defend naive views and factual errors of ancient men...um... Houston we have a problem.
"Trees cause more pollution than automobiles." Not Reagan's best quote... I have heard that grotesque claim recently in conservative circles... I can only imagine the sheer voluminous amounts of crap one would have to swallow in order to sate that as a fact....
Problems can 'evolve' and, according to John Adams "facts are stubborn things". Now we know that RR said "facts are stupid things". We know he didnt mean that(it was a simple misquote) but people, especially far righties of all nationalities, have to be careful with ideas and words and myths and legends. Who wants to elevate anything to scriptural status when we are merely on the "Plymouth Rock' of self discovery? Not only can someone mean something other than what their words spell out but that what it is they really meant is itself in the process of change...you can believe in that...
How does it prove it.. with faith? lol C'mon, show us one shred of evidence of ANY god....dare ya.
I suppose you have 'evidence' as to why your 'god' exists and other's gods do not.. show us that too...
The proof is just outside your door, but your too knowledgeable to see.
The oak grows the acorn, that falls to the ground, the squirrels feed on and bury for the winter, they leave a few and those grow into trees, that grow acorns, that feed the squirrels. .....
Your right, that world is just one "lucky" gumble fumble of coincidences with no plan or method
The proof is just outside your door, but your too knowledgeable to see.
The oak grows the acorn, that falls to the ground, the squirrels feed on and bury for the winter, they leave a few and those grow into trees, that grow acorns, that feed the squirrels. .....
Your right, that world is just one "lucky" gumble fumble of coincidences with no plan or method
here is another one.... "god" pulled the trigger in columbine.... "god" dropped the nukes on Japan..... "god" rounded up all the jews during ww2..... all a devine plan and method..... but I'm sure the similarities in the argument are lost on you....
here is another one.... "god" pulled the trigger in columbine.... "god" dropped the nukes on Japan..... "god" rounded up all the jews during ww2..... all a devine plan and method..... but I'm sure the similarities in the argument are lost on you....
And a personal jab to boot!
The acts of man don't disprove God, neither do the acts of evil. Nice try.
Yeah, or god created Darwin to reveal the facts and workings of evolution.
I dont think you've contemplated millions upon millions of years of accumulated but slight changes Rob. If you've swallowed the 'four thousand year old earth' crap, well, how the hell could you ever contemplate hundreds of millions of years? I cannot imagine the insane chaos that religious people insert into scientific methodology...Oh wait, yes I can...sigh. The delusions, history is full of examples of the damage and delays caused by religious error, profit, interference and psychosis.
The biggest problem with silly substitutions and excuses for science is that it never stops! I mean, one isolated incident and maybe yeah, OK, we have an interesting phenomenon however, a practical, pathological guidebook to living is not covered in the bible or the Koran or.... Calling natural event's 'god's' work in one sentence, the devil's work in the next breath and man's work in the next text...
Once a man is allowed to profit from false witness, he perks up, he goes on and on to just about every subject and topic with the foolish conclusions that god is at the helm or he is doing the bidding of god.... Take all your Muslims, Buddhists, Christians, Hindus..whatever.... They all differ in claim, costume and action... The science remains the same....science explains faith but faith can never explain science....Science tells you the truth... if it doesnt, it aint science. With science, argument is possible. If you claim spirits and goblins are behind everything... the argument never ends and, never really begins..
In the same manner that a religious person dismisses accurate, peer reviewed science, he dismisses years of data, field reports, intense studies by 'boots on the ground'. He dismisses the math behind his situation. He has made up his mind to defer science to god so his challenge seems to be in making everything fit into what he reads as harmonious text but sees dilemma with his eyes or denying that which is painfully obvious. The more scientific knowledge we acquire, the more ridiculous religious denials become.
If god was private matter, we'd be OK! But no, religion is formed, 'organized' and 'managed'.. to death. Shameful disregard of nature, sacred sacrament and civic constitution. The breaching of the ancient, sacred code seems to be good practice for disobeying a current, democratic constitution's fundamental law and that, in turn, makes the breaking of natural law second nature...
Just like the 'excuses' for why thou shalt kill, there are 'enemies' that force them into 'thou shalt not offer habeas corpus'. His father, either a founding father or the 'holy father's spirit' has said NOT to do something... Well? Why TF are you doing the opposite of what is commanded? Were there a few typos we didnt quite catch in the proof read? Thou shalt not kill, 'before torturing first'?... Thou shalt invade foreign nations id holy oil is found?...
Who needs to 'organize' god? The weak, the ignorant and the frightened...
Gog ,your not listening and twisting what I'm saying to fit into you agenda.....but that's fine its what you do. The simple example of the squirrel and the acorn, impacted by millions of years or not still is a wondrous thing. When did I say anything about 4 thousand years.? I know where your headed , not all believers are creationist.
Now your comrade from the frozen north brought up nuking Japan and kidding children. Please enlightened me how the evil acts of man tie into the wonders of the created world.
The Reagan quotes remind me of Yogi Berra. Except that Reagan made a little more sense.
__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) "When fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and holding a cross." Sinclair Lewis I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
It's obvious that GWB had, basically, a good heart. I dont see hatred in his face but... What you saw in his face was the affects of years of drinking and snorting coke. Like my wife's drug-counseling friend said, "he's got that glow, I've seen it a hundred times."
I truly feel that one of Reagan's biggest mistakes... It's pretty hard to top the anti-AIDS, anti-gay brain cramp he had. God, the delay in research will cost hundreds of thousand, maybe millions more their lives by the time a cure is found. Nice leadership, Ronny.
I wonder what Reagan would think of DNA, genome etc? He'd think it was time for a nap.
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__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) "When fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and holding a cross." Sinclair Lewis I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
Gog ,your not listening and twisting what I'm saying to fit into you agenda.....but that's fine its what you do. The simple example of the squirrel and the acorn, impacted by millions of years or not (there is no 'or not'..it has been evolving and it can be shown, scientifically, mathematically, photographically, systematically and with certainty...when, where and how... unless you're Glenn Beck or Pat Robertson)still is a wondrous thing. Me learning the truths and intricacies of it doesnt diminish it as you suggested earlier)
When did I say anything about 4 thousand years.? I'm sorry, how old do you think it is Rob?
I know where your headed , not all believers are creationist.
Three people can equally love flying. It can be impossible to judge who loves it more or less. That is a fact. One can be a passenger one a pilot and one a maker of airplanes. You are saying, no matter who you are on that list, you have a way to love flying that is more valid than the others because of what reason? Faith? Membership? Privilege?
Now your comrade from the frozen north brought up nuking Japan and kidding children. Please enlightened me how the evil acts of man tie into the wonders of the created world.
Glad you mentioned that topic. Nothing illustrates more the changing of ancient nature and current game of life than nuclear physics. Some idiots still call for nuking countries... They're lurking here no doubt. You really think they understand the situation? Under the lifted noses of the republican elite, nuclear power and option is exciting but guess what? Commercial chemistry is creeping into our blood and MMGW is threatening to overtake them all or compound and really make life harder than you or your faith has ever documented.
Counter accusing other people for other issues isnt a solution and it doesnt set a priority either! If we, as a collective, turn to people, who have been deluding themselves for centuries with religion, for a truthful, scientific contribution, we're going to be very disappointed...
Short live desire over capability! Long live humility!
Looks like more nukes are in our future. That was sort of confirmed in Obama's speech. I hear there are 13 due to come on line in something like ten years. Who's going to watch the waste 5,000 years from now is still up in the air but they've got lots of time to figure out how to sweep it under a rug (or mountain). Anyway, I'm willing to support it to some degree. But I think nukes will be obsolete in the near future. Solar and hydrogen will be all we'll need. While fuel, construction and decommissioning costs continue to rise for nukes the cost of solar is dropping. Hydro is being played with but it is mostly just a problem of having enough electricity to throw into the process.
In the Solar Living Sourcebook it used to say that if you covered the entire nuclear testing area north of Las Vegas with solar panels that you could produce enough juice for the entire U.S. during most of the day. And I read that ten years ago, before LED light bulbs and few other things. Point is, if you combine new efficiency with lowering solar costs it's only a matter of time until something as complex and potentially catastrophic as a nuke plant becomes just outdated, a thing of the past, a radioctive thing of the past. I can see it coming. Sarah Palin could even see it from her kitchen window if she'd get that hair out of her eyes, the bitch .
__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) "When fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and holding a cross." Sinclair Lewis I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
I hope you're wrong. What I have against nuke is humans...
You just know w Chernobyl is in the wings... Settling for nuclear power is like settling for mercury filled light bulbs that save power!! Right Old Fart?
If God created it all some 4000 years ago or even 20,000 years ago...What was ''God'' doing ''before'' the creation...?
Gee !...even the music is an evolutionary thing...there is no mention of the diatonic scale in the creation.....or even a simple ''tone'' for that matter...
What was ''God'' doing ''before'' the creation...?
People of faith don't ask those questions. True faith demands that you don't. That's why if you have faith, you are an idiot.
"Creation" happened when men wrote the Bible. If you want to know when Alaska became a refuge state you'll have to ask Sarah Palin. If Catie Couric had been doing her job she woulda asked Sister Sarah that very question. It's high time nut-case whackos with superstitious beliefs were taken to task for their crazy assertions.
__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) "When fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and holding a cross." Sinclair Lewis I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
My bad. So, for the sake of semi reasonable decorum, for others and for ourselves, I ask you to back off a bit and I can too. I am sorry for the cripple comment.
). And as far as marrying someone with "skills", THAT'S the golden ticket! Keep 'em happy, and life is good! 
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