Hope, Change, BULL*&^%

[nycstripes]

This new Obama "Stimulus" package is shaping up to be a train wreck for the US taxpayer.
Its full of nothing but a grocery list of social program bullshit and utter nonsense. Earmarks all over the thing and the best is that groups like ACORN will be budgeted to receive 4.19Billion of taxpayer money while they're under federal investigation. ACORN has already received almost 18 Million in HUD money in December 08, now they'll have a budget that rivals the pentagon.

Money for study of sexually transmitted disease
Money for government vehicles
Money for lawns in wachington DC
Money for preservation of fine arts
Money for government building renovations
Money for study of global warming
the list goes on and on....

What a kick in the balls. If this garbage passes the Senate, we're screwed to the tune of a TRILLION dollars. That's the package with interest.

HOPE and CHANGE my ass.

[robfromsc]

Its trypical, so what the voters want to hear during the election, but do your "parties" biding when in office. Both sides do it. Whats just amazing is that year after year people fall for that crap. He is going to spend like mad!

Funny thing is, no one that i talk to voted for him. Gotta love the south

[kneedrag05]

Obama is a commy dummass........and the worst part about it is that everyone who voted for him doesnt know anything about him at all.....all they know is what the see and hear from the liberal crazy one-sided media! Hopefully four years from now after Obama has screwed up our country even more people will start to understand that you have to do YOUR OWN research on the candidates to find out who they really are. Just because he has a "nice smile" and "speaks well" does not discount the fact that he has very close ties with William C. Ayres, his mentor, Davis, who played a bil roll in "Barry's " youth and influenced him to run for office in Illinois was on the FBI's watch list durring the cold war to be arrested on sight if anything happened because he was so invilved in the communist party....his aunt is an illegal alien living off the system, his relatives in kenya slaughter whole villages, he was friggin born in KENYA!!......and the number one thing that erks me about that guy is his ethnic backround (wait and read further, no I am not a racist) 50% white-caucasion/47% Iranian/ and a big whopping 3.....3!!! % black african......his ancestors from Iran are a large part of who were responsible for BUYING SELLING AND TRADING slaves!!! so all of you African Americans that think the good lord Obama shares anything with you......you are wrong.....Obama's family tied your family up like sardines in a boat and sold them..... He is not the first African American president.....he is the 44th white president and just another friggin con!

[Baasinator]

Originally Posted by kneedrag05

Hopefully four years from now after Obama has screwed up our country even more people will start to understand that you have to do YOUR OWN research on the candidates to find out who they really are.

I don't think the damage being done right now will be evident in four years, and I don't think it's fair to just blame Obama. I'm sure he'll do bad things, but he hasn't even had a chance to yet. And it doesn't matter if the President is a Democrat or Republican. They're all the same these days. Obama is just doing what Bush did two months ago. McCain would be doing the same thing.

I'm afraid that when everything does fall apart, we'll look back at the insane spending of the Bush/Paulson/Pelosi/Obama era and understand how wrong it was.

Oh well. We can't stop it, so I hope I somehow benefit in the short-term!

[Gog]

Liberal media...lol. The same same liberal media that helped Bush to two terms? Or is this the evil media that crept into your minds, and TV sets, during the eight years of catastrophic failures you voted for? Maybe you let your guard down during your disasterous governing and that "evil media" crept in and stole your way of life. That or(my guess) people woke up and said, "Screw these incompetent idiots who cant do one single thing right except when it comes to theiving, hoarding, illeagal activities, profit, mismanagement, or starting wars".
Hint: Everyone knows how you blame others!!!! Why not go and regroup and come back to public life with an idea or two. You see, blaming others in not really a platform the world wants right now.
The world loves Obama and yet, look at these ding a lings. Doing their rendition of KumBayYa for America to fail. Why? Because they look so dumb ass and cant bear this situation! hahahahah truly, pathetic!

Credit... It's what you guys just destroyed. The credibility or a word; Destroyed by unprecedented lying. The credibility of the law; Destroyed by criminal fux like your Cheny and his blackwater cabinet. The credibility of money; Your dumb as leaders are responsible.
Everyone knows how you try to blame Clinton or the Democrats, hell, even the communists. . Your leaders did it.
There will be no real, believable credit until Americans say they had enough of this wrong way party of fools. The first step was to reject you stupid choice for running mates. Sarah Palin, OMFG. What is wrong with you guys?
Listen: The world loves Obama. Rush hates him... what side are you on?

[Gog]

Originally Posted by kneedrag05

Obama is a commy dummass........and the worst part about it is that everyone who voted for him doesnt know anything about him at all.....all they know is what the see and hear from the liberal crazy one-sided media! Hopefully four years from now after Obama has screwed up our country even more people will start to understand that you have to do YOUR OWN research on the candidates to find out who they really are. Just because he has a "nice smile" and "speaks well" does not discount the fact that he has very close ties with William C. Ayres, his mentor, Davis, who played a bil roll in "Barry's " youth and influenced him to run for office in Illinois was on the FBI's watch list durring the cold war to be arrested on sight if anything happened because he was so invilved in the communist party....his aunt is an illegal alien living off the system, his relatives in kenya slaughter whole villages, he was friggin born in KENYA!!......and the number one thing that erks me about that guy is his ethnic backround (wait and read further, no I am not a racist) 50% white-caucasion/47% Iranian/ and a big whopping 3.....3!!! % black african......his ancestors from Iran are a large part of who were responsible for BUYING SELLING AND TRADING slaves!!! so all of you African Americans that think the good lord Obama shares anything with you......you are wrong.....Obama's family tied your family up like sardines in a boat and sold them..... He is not the first African American president.....he is the 44th white president and just another friggin con!

You sound like a hillbilly with a name of Kazinski. Let me guess, you'd love to see Sarah Palin in there. Hehe, fool. You one of the guys yelling "Hang him"?

[sburns2421]

Originally Posted by Gog

Liberal media...lol. The same same liberal media that helped Bush to two terms? Or is this the evil media that crept into your minds, and TV sets, during the eight years of catastrophic failures you voted for? Maybe you let your guard down during your disasterous governing and that "evil media" crept in and stole your way of life. That or(my guess) people woke up and said, "Screw these incompetent idiots who cant do one single thing right except when it comes to theiving, hoarding, illeagal activities, profit, mismanagement, or starting wars".
Hint: Everyone knows how you blame others!!!! Why not go and regroup and come back to public life with an idea or two. You see, blaming others in not really a platform the world wants right now.
The world loves Obama and yet, look at these ding a lings. Doing their rendition of KumBayYa for America to fail. Why? Because they look so dumb ass and cant bear this situation! hahahahah truly, pathetic!

Credit... It's what you guys just destroyed. The credibility or a word; Destroyed by unprecedented lying. The credibility of the law; Destroyed by criminal fux like your Cheny and his blackwater cabinet. The credibility of money; Your dumb as leaders are responsible.
Everyone knows how you try to blame Clinton or the Democrats, hell, even the communists. . Your leaders did it.
There will be no real, believable credit until Americans say they had enough of this wrong way party of fools. The first step was to reject you stupid choice for running mates. Sarah Palin, OMFG. What is wrong with you guys?
Listen: The world loves Obama. Rush hates him... what side are you on?

Bush won against weak opponents. If you don't think that most of the media are liberal, then you must also think they are liars. Most of them will admit their liberal personal views but explain their professional objectivism is more important. Conciously that may be the case, but if you are tuned to the subtleties of their reporting, it is obvious some liberal feelings come out. FOX is biased toward conservative views, CNN, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, and ABC are biased to the left to varying degrees.

It would not surprise me if in 10 years it comes out that Obama was in fact born abroad. His own paternal grandmother has indicated this. It isn't every day that a white woman gives birth in a Kenyan villiage, it is not surprising that it would be memorable. His "birth certificate" is actually a certificate of live birth. Not the same thing, but since the governor of Hawaii has sealed it, we won't know until the Governor is ousted and a Republican takes office.

If that is true, I actually hope that it doesn't come out until he is out of office, it would be the biggest scandal in Presidential history. More importantly it would destroy any credibility he has and indirectly, the office he holds.

[BC999S]

Originally Posted by sburns2421

His "birth certificate" is actually a certificate of live birth....but since the governor of Hawaii has sealed it, we won't know until the Governor is ousted and a Republican takes office.

Really? Sealing what I believe is a public document? Why would he do that? Not sure if the act of sealing the document "circumstantially convicts" (my term). Is this fact or a rumour?

Next question is, would Obama be considered an American citizen even if he was born offshore? I'm not too clear on the detail of his father so I'm hoping someone can provide some clarity just to satisfy my curious side.

[RockyMt]

His birth record is sealed for the SAME reason his graduate thesis is sealed. Ask yourself, if there is nothing to hide, why not publish it.........

-Rocky-

PS gag, I (and most of the rest of America) can give a flyin' fvck what "the rest of the world" thinks about curious george, our troubles are miniscule compared to the clusterfvck going on in France, Greece, etc. The "rest of the world" is merely waiting for us to bail their ass out like we've done several times before....Hey le kiwi, speak much German? You're welcome!

-Rocky-

[Area 51]

Originally Posted by sburns2421

It would not surprise me if in 10 years it comes out that Obama was in fact born abroad. His own paternal grandmother has indicated this. It isn't every day that a white woman gives birth in a Kenyan villiage, it is not surprising that it would be memorable. His "birth certificate" is actually a certificate of live birth. Not the same thing, but since the governor of Hawaii has sealed it, we won't know until the Governor is ousted and a Republican takes office.

If that is true, I actually hope that it doesn't come out until he is out of office, it would be the biggest scandal in Presidential history. More importantly it would destroy any credibility he has and indirectly, the office he holds.

I swear, some of you guys are absolutely nuts. This conservative-generated rumour (one of millions ) died a liers death long ago. Maybe you should spend some time researching urban myths before shooting your mouth off. Check it out:

snopes.com: Barack Obama Birth Certificate

On the stimulus:
It's 50% bullshit that it will save the economy (but at this size it is bound to help). But there are also a lot of things in it that have needed attention for a while. 26% of our bridges are deficient. Our city schools are a failure. Etc. The best thing about it is that it is being spent here, not in the dessert, and not on price-gouging weapon systems. That is a HUGE improvement over the last eight years, to look on the bright side.

[Old Fart]

Gog, STFU and worry about Canada. We're in the same boat.

[wibbly]

i don't see how barack can be the worst thing to happen to the states when he's been in office for 2 weeks when you look at what bush did in his 8 years... you want to talk about destroying a nation....

[XFBO]

Originally Posted by Area 51

I swear, some of you guys are absolutely nuts.
Ahhh I see you dont like it when the table is turned eh? LOL!
With 8 yrs of conspiracy theories, nonsense and other BS......it's gonna be a long 4 yrs pal.

Our city schools are a failure. Etc.

YES you are correct and guess what's NOT gonna fix them? Throwing a lot of money at an existing problem, that's what. Did this plan outline in detail the fixes in this broken school system? I doubt it.

One last question, and try not to run away from it.......in the majority if not all major cities where the schools are FUBAR'ED what party do you think is primarily in control?

I'll let you answer the question before I continue my rant.

Originally Posted by wibbly

i don't see how barack can be the worst thing to happen to the states when he's been in office for 2 weeks when you look at what bush did in his 8 years... you want to talk about destroying a nation....

Be more specific, wibbly, how is this nation destroyed?

[DesperateSP2]

The problems with the Obama presidency are mainly three.
First, he may well be well-meaning and innovative (I know little of his political career so forgive my ignorance) but he crammed his staff full of well-known and not-so-well-meaning political figures, starting from his own vice president. How can you promise peace around the world when you have Hillary Clinton and Robert Gates holding two of the highest offices? And this is just an example.
Second, the public has too high expectations from him and the government in general. Even if he shows himself a strong and capable leader he hasn't got a magic wand. He cannot solve present economic problems overnight, especially by using the same methods which caused them (see below). He cannot improve relationships with the Muslim world at large (governments are another matter completely) as long as his armed forces keep occupying Muslim countries, US weapons (largely paid for the US taxpayers) keep cutting Gaza people to pieces and unpopular dictators are kept in place by US money and diplomacy.
Third, he and his staff are showing complete disregard for "sound money" economy. The present problems didn't stem form an "unregulated" market, but from catastrophic US Treasury and Federal Reserve decisions which were imitated by other institutions around the world and are now sending ripples of destruction all over the globe. The Fed created an illusion of wealth by dramatically increasing the money supply and artificially lowering interest rates starting around 2000. Capital didn't need to be accumulated but was created out of thin air: this violated one of the most important tenets of real world economy and turned the world economy into an overbloated monstruosity. Just look at commodities prices. US banks allowed their customers to use their homes as ATMs with FULL government approval: this was part of Greenspan's master plan. At the same time US Treasury put out God only knows how much debt to pay for the welfare-warfare state which was supposed to help "kickstart" the economy: this debt was dubiously AAA rated and was largely acquired by Chinese and Japanese institutions. It was Keynes' finest hour but it was a magnificent castle built on very weak foundations.
Right now the Obama presidency is proposing to solve the problem by using more of the same: more debt to pay for new welfare projects, more money base expansion, even lower interest rates. I liken this method to rehabilitating an heroine addict by pumping more venom in his veins and promising him that he will behave properly he will have even more drugs available. This will perhaps put him in a permanent dazed condition and avoid withdrawal crisis but it will turn him into even worse addict, always trying to get a larger "fix". Just look at the car and banking "industry": they cannot get enough bailout money and will promise eveything to get what they desperately crave for.
Problem is we know drug addicts can only end in two ways: either they die in a gutter pennyless and s***faced or they somehow manage to survive but turn into decrepit wrecks constantly trying to beg or steal for their "fix". Not a pretty sight.

[Gog]

Not a bad post DesperateSP2.

I think credit is based on whether people think value and substance are inherent within the product, service or investment in front of them. American trust, promise and esteem has been trashed and abused like never before..ever. I think(hope) Obama will restore creditability which, is not the same as fixing the damage. None of that is any good if we revert back to dumb ass trickle down mentality after a few years of realistic finance, governing and respect for the law. Got to keep the throngs of incompetent affiliations and agendas of "last year's men" from regaining control of government and making a Baghdad out of Washington.

We saw a leader take over in 2000 and, basically, dismantle the greatest, most enduring pillars of America. All those smarts were ignored and mocked because it was a war on intelligence and religion with business playing the role of profiteer. We have seen treaties, truths, laws and conventions broken, laws smashed and abused, neanderthal tactics championed as official policy. We saw, institutionalized, religious racism, and a policy of deceit that is unprecedented in American history. Obama needs to repair the image and prevent jack off, right wing lunatics from EVER doing it again. How? By making sure EVERYONE votes. There is no way a group of incompetent, frightened, narrow idiots can win an election if everyone votes.

Dont think they will run America further into the ground? Just look at their actions these last few weeks. Have you heard? It's not their fault and Obama is a failure. Just look at who is saying what. Who is friend with whom. Who avoids the blame like Bush/Cheney and Rush avoid the draft. I dare say, if Palin McCain had gotten in this last election, we'd be doomed or "shitfaced" and "decrepit wrecks constantly trying to beg or steal for their(our) fix".
Not a pretty sight.

[Gog]

Originally Posted by Old Fart

Gog, STFU and worry about Canada. We're in the same boat.

When it comes to fashion and innovation, and a boatload of other things, we seem to be a few years behind you guys. Why do we get instant, matching results when it comes to losing money?
Not fair but thats another rant.

[nycstripes]

Originally Posted by DesperateSP2

The problems with the Obama presidency are mainly three.
First, he may well be well-meaning and innovative (I know little of his political career so forgive my ignorance) but he crammed his staff full of well-known and not-so-well-meaning political figures, starting from his own vice president. How can you promise peace around the world when you have Hillary Clinton and Robert Gates holding two of the highest offices? And this is just an example.

I agree with the majority of what you said, just want you to expand on this thought a bit.
thanks

[20_RC51_00]

Originally Posted by nycstripes

This new Obama "Stimulus" package is shaping up to be a train wreck for the US taxpayer.
Its full of nothing but a grocery list of social program bullshit and utter nonsense. Earmarks all over the thing and the best is that groups like ACORN will be budgeted to receive 4.19Billion of taxpayer money while they're under federal investigation. ACORN has already received almost 18 Million in HUD money in December 08, now they'll have a budget that rivals the pentagon.

Money for study of sexually transmitted disease
Money for government vehicles
Money for lawns in wachington DC
Money for preservation of fine arts
Money for government building renovations
Money for study of global warming
the list goes on and on....

What a kick in the balls. If this garbage passes the Senate, we're screwed to the tune of a TRILLION dollars. That's the package with interest.

HOPE and CHANGE my ass.

this is the least of it....

the worst part is that the govt is now stacked with more of the same crooks, Githener... and a whole ton of other ex-wall street crooks. Not only that but things are getting done without transparency in spending of billions out of the public's wallet.... Next will be the nationalization of the banks...

imo the govt took a turn from stupid and corrupt to cunnign and decieving...

[sburns2421]

Originally Posted by Area 51

I swear, some of you guys are absolutely nuts. This conservative-generated rumour (one of millions ) died a liers death long ago. Maybe you should spend some time researching urban myths before shooting your mouth off. Check it out:

Ahole51, you seem so bitter and angry, shouldn't you be estatic that your man won? There should be a sweet smell of perfume in the air...cheeseburgers should taste better for you...instead you are still acting like Bush is in office. It is your side's turn to go under the microscope. We will see how you do.

Phillip Berg who brought the lawsuit used to be the DEMOCRATIC attorney general for Pennsylvania. It is not all a right-wing conspiracy. I thought the truth were what liberals wanted from Bush? How about Obama now?

Obama's Kenyan grandmother and other family members have said they remember his birth in Kenya, whether this is true or false is the question. She should have a significant self-interest in not holding this position, or at least lying about it's truth now.

The Governor of Hawaii has refused to let media examine the COLB. This is a fact. There is also some questions about which hospital he was born in Hawaii.

BTW, to another poster asking about his mother being a US citizen makes him a citizen is true. But the requirement for President is a naturally-born US citizen. This means physically born in the US or one of its protectorates. John McCain was born in Panama, but he was still naturally born because his father was in the military and thus the base is considered US soil.

If Obama was born in Kenya, he would not be eligible to hold office. Simple as that.

[nycstripes]

Originally Posted by 20_RC51_00

this is the least of it....

the worst part is that the govt is now stacked with more of the same crooks, Githener... and a whole ton of other ex-wall street crooks. Not only that but things are getting done without transparency in spending of billions out of the public's wallet.... Next will be the nationalization of the banks...

imo the govt took a turn from stupid and corrupt to cunnign and decieving...

He's repaying the party faithful..with jobs. As all of them do. Unfortulately ACORN also falls into the party faithful group to the tune of 4.2 billion not counting the $17million they got in December from HUD.

I have also taken note the Jschmidt is unusually quiet with regard to this thread.....he's usually got his miniskirt on waving Obama banners