The only way to eliminate crime is to also eliminate government, seems like the biggest crooks of all WRITE our laws. And more gun legislation isn't what is needed, we merely need to actually ENFORCE the gun laws on the books already!
-Rocky-
They are crooks because of political contributions, mostly from large corporations, unions and PACs. Elimating that corrupting influence would be the best F-ing thing we could do for the good of this country. What we have is legalized bridery. The path to Washington is the path to wealth. It sucks.
__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) "When fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and holding a cross." Sinclair Lewis I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
if a criminal wants a gun....they are going to get it, why dont we use it to employ more detectives to slow the trafficking of illegal guns.....
and... Punish those convicted offenders with real punishment. Not just a revolving door and a wrist slap.
After all your gun pro arguments tho, you have to admit that guns are going off all too frequently, inappropriately and, with devastating results and, the "gun culture" isnt working the way it did and could at the time of your nation's founding.
I tell you that the gun death issue is so rare up here that it makes your incidents and issues look unregulated, unsupervised and down right scary. You guys dont seem to realize that, no matter what your argument, you have serious social problems regarding your guns and their laws/enforcement! Puffing your chests and deriding anti gun people doesnt solve the problem.
The government gun registry doesnt work, we tried up here in Canada. What a frickin joke. Maybe the NRA should be the registry and the government should solely and strictly penalize offenders. Would it matter to you who asked for the fees? Would the NRA do a better job than the government?
What I find sad is the reference to "guns that are good for killing dogs". It just seems so casual for you guys to shoot something...anything. An innocent bird, a dog, a doe. I saw a deer's head up on a wall, it was covered in tinsel, ribbons and garland. I was sad because you just know he was having a great time at a party when he was shot.
The power some people feel when they take a life, there is pride in their proclamations... In general, the basic, fundamental respect for living things is greatly diminished by gun enthusiasts and hardened criminals alike...
Do you realize you are contradicting yourself? Is he anti-weapon on is he not? A good expample of the confused electorate.
You really need to stop when your behind dude, you just keep putting your foot in.
Obammer's claim is that he will not toy with the 2nd, however his voting record and his pick for the Att General point otherwise. The contradiction "lies" with Obammer. One way or another he's lieing.
What I find sad is the reference to "guns that are good for killing dogs". It just seems so casual for you guys to shoot something...anything. An innocent bird, a dog, a doe. I saw a deer's head up on a wall, it was covered in tinsel, ribbons and garland. I was sad because you just know he was having a great time at a party when he was shot.
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The point to killing dogs was to show that the dreaded ar/223 isnt a very deadly round. Ive never shot a dog...they run too fast
You do show some good points, and thank you for pointing out that more laws wont make us any better. If the current laws were followed and policed you would see a difference. The only thing that needs to be added is the the gunshow loophole, seems kinda odd that a bad guy can walk out with a gun from a show, but not from a shop.
Do you realize you are contradicting yourself? Is he anti-weapon on is he not? A good expample of the confused electorate.
There's no confusion on my part. Obama has a checkered past with regard to gun ownership/rights of gun owners. I am pointing out that he stated that he is for preservation of the 2nd Amendment on the campaign trail, but his voting/political record would show otherwise.
He doesn't actually have to propose any new legislation himself, my point is that he only needs to sign what comes across his desk from the anti-gun folks within congress and it becomes law. With Obama's past preferences with regard to guns, he'll probably just sign.
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thanx! my process, right or wrong, I try to use 2 or 3 manuals then start on the low end. load 20-30, label them and test them out. for no real reason Ive been avoiding a max load.
what do you recommend for a cheap can/target plinker? I saw that widners has the Sierra77gr $118 for 500
I used to purchase my bulk Sierra Match bullets for my AR from OK Weber in Oregon. OK Weber | Bullets
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”Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured…but not everyone must prove they are a citizen.”- Ben Stein
The point to killing dogs was to show that the dreaded ar/223 isnt a very deadly round. Ive never shot a dog...they run too fast
You do show some good points, and thank you for pointing out that more laws wont make us any better. If the current laws were followed and policed you would see a difference. The only thing that needs to be added is the the gunshow loophole, seems kinda odd that a bad guy can walk out with a gun from a show, but not from a shop.
I wasnt too clear there and I dont get the feeling, at all, that you would be a dog shooter. I understand what you meant. I wouldn't agree with "the only thing that needs to be added". There are many things to be done, far past loopholes, to reach that happy spot.
I think the reality of guns in your culture needs a full address. Not from specialized groups and not from fanatics, on either side. Fighting against compromise is sure to flame the fanatics. It is time to look at the kind of guns available and the sheer number.
It is nice to know that people are ready, willing and able to shoot, fight and defend our laws. It's nice to know that grown, responsible people can hold arms and pursue their passions and enjoy their rights. The dream world and the real world. I dream of no guns(for diverse reasons) but reality teaches me that dreamers can be thrust into a nightmare if they do have to fight for their bed and pillow, house and furrow.
I want a gun but I have thus far resisted. I want to be able to shoot anyone who trespasses into my home and threatens me or my squeeze.
I have a neighbour. He is an asshole. One day, I came home to find that 4 of my beauty trees were cut down.. This jack off thought he would get some more sun for his seedlings he grew for his grow op, he knew that they were mine, it was my land and yet, he cut them down. My yard was surrounded by a canopy of leaves in a bowled, concave and private shield of beech trees. Now, my yard has a terrible, ugly, gaping wound.
To make a long story short, I called the police, instead of violently freaking out and, clubbling him with my hickory club. They sorted him out. My point... I really think I would have shot him if I owned a gun! When I came to take pictures for the police, he came to the property line, between us and started to curse my mother, me and, he waved cut branches around like a neanderthal. It wasn't hard to imagine a bullet shutting this sac of shit up.. forever. If I can feel that rage and the solution "in hand" together, at the same time, I think I dont want this gun option myself. I cant handle it, cudos to you guys who can.
The guy's house caught fire the next day and he was busted for a grow op. I didnt torch his place. One of his lights fell down and caught his house on fire. My point is that the police did the right thing and I did the right thing and nobody is dead. I believe that, in Texas, I could have shot him, if I caught him while he was sawing my trees down on my land... thats scary to me because I really felt like I could have and not been too bothered by it. As a matter of fact, I thought about using him as fertilizer for my new beeches.
I hate the bastard.
YOU sir, have some MAJOR issues.........................
-Rocky-
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Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
You had me until you admitted to wanting to kill your neighbour over a tree. and I can see how that would just piss you off. Probably not the only thing he's done that enrages you. But ahhh, yeah. Thats a little bit fanatic. The guy 2 doors down carves old trees with a chainsaw...at 7am! I would never dream of pointing and presenting.
Of course he is . And Rush Limbaugh is telling the truth.
__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) "When fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and holding a cross." Sinclair Lewis I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
Not me. It's a matter of interpretation. I'm surprised you don't know that .
From my perspective, Obama has done nothing against the second ammendment.
Your illogical stand leads to the inevitable conclusion that it should be okay to own ANY weapon. The second ammendment doesn't limit itself to anything. Why can't we all own a bazooka? Because we have made it illegal. The same thing can be decided over any weapon. Fact is, the Constitution is a living document and we can interpret it any way we want, depending on who is sitting on the bench. That's the beauty of the document - it's application evolves with society. I'm surprised you don't know that .
__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) "When fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and holding a cross." Sinclair Lewis I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
Hah, hah! The way you guys talk just cracks me up. Mr. official business secret agent man wanna-be. Hah, hah.
__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) "When fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and holding a cross." Sinclair Lewis I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
After burning up all that good weed I'd hate the bastard too!
__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) "When fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and holding a cross." Sinclair Lewis I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
You had me until you admitted to wanting to kill your neighbour over a tree. and I can see how that would just piss you off. Probably not the only thing he's done that enrages you. But ahhh, yeah. Thats a little bit fanatic. The guy 2 doors down carves old trees with a chainsaw...at 7am! I would never dream of pointing and presenting.
It wasn't a tree. It was a family of trees and they were a prominent feature of my privacy, beauty and value of my home and property.. I never spoke with the guy before or even knew his name.
I'm just glad that guns are not so common that I own one. When I see the wound in my tree garden, and realize how many years to grow it back, I just think of Texas type laws and wonder....
It's easy to wonder when I never hear, see, touch or smell guns.
Here's my question. What would you do if you came home and found some one cutting your trees down aorund your house? Not, trimming your hedges, clear cutting your trees.
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After burning up all that good weed I'd hate the bastard too!
They busted him with over $100,000 MJ and a still for morphine! I heard his basement was full and he and his charming wife are raising a few kids there too. Total hillbilly.
They look like people you might see on Dog Bounty Hunter.
Not me. It's a matter of interpretation. I'm surprised you don't know that .
From my perspective, Obama has done nothing against the second ammendment.
Your illogical stand leads to the inevitable conclusion that it should be okay to own ANY weapon. The second ammendment doesn't limit itself to anything. Why can't we all own a bazooka? Because we have made it illegal. The same thing can be decided over any weapon. Fact is, the Constitution is a living document and we can interpret it any way we want, depending on who is sitting on the bench. That's the beauty of the document - it's application evolves with society. I'm surprised you don't know that .
i had a really long reply for you, but i deleted it. your a dufus sir. you live in another world, not tethered to the real world. proven from the very first post in this thread you have no idea about that which you speak of. your replies are partly to antagonize and partly to parade you lack of knowledge. the worst part is there are lots of area51's in this world. if you only knew half of what you think you knew, and thats a big if
It wasn't a tree. It was a family of trees and they were a prominent feature of my privacy, beauty and value of my home and property.. I never spoke with the guy before or even knew his name.
I'm just glad that guns are not so common that I own one. When I see the wound in my tree garden, and realize how many years to grow it back, I just think of Texas type laws and wonder....
It's easy to wonder when I never hear, see, touch or smell guns.
Here's my question. What would you do if you came home and found some one cutting your trees down aorund your house? Not, trimming your hedges, clear cutting your trees.
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They busted him with over $100,000 MJ and a still for morphine! I heard his basement was full and he and his charming wife are raising a few kids there too. Total hillbilly.
They look like people you might see on Dog Bounty Hunter.
Its called over-reacting if you'd have responded with gun violence and you'd be cuffed up and carted away along with yout idiot neighbor. He'd be charged with trespass and criminal mischief(destruction of your property), you'd be charged with weapons violations.
Having a weapon doesn't automatically allow you to use it in such scenarios. Common sense plays a huge part in this and some people just don't have enough of it.
In these cases you call the police, let him be arrested and then sue him for replacement costs of the damaged property. That's what rational people do.
The fact that he got collared for the drugs shortly after was probably enjoyable though.
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Its called over-reacting if you'd have responded with gun violence and you'd be cuffed up and carted away along with yout idiot neighbor. He'd be charged with trespass and criminal mischief(destruction of your property), you'd be charged with weapons violations.
Having a weapon doesn't automatically allow you to use it in such scenarios. Common sense plays a huge part in this and some people just don't have enough of it.
In these cases you call the police, let him be arrested and then sue him for replacement costs of the damaged property. That's what rational people do.
The fact that he got collared for the drugs shortly after was probably enjoyable though.
Sounds good. I have thought a lot about this issue. I would not be one of those people who tries to get rid of guns, even after(heavens forbid) a school shooting. I am one of those people who sees his own weakness and susceptibilities and wants the gun owners to make sure they do EVERYTHING in their power to understand how a lot of us should NOT have guns and to eliminate guns in the wrong hands. It's probably a good idea to let those most passionate about guns, and law, do a lot more with control, regulation and supervision.... up to a point.
That point may be where big gun business decides that sales are more important than safety or circulation is more important than sanity. I think we all have had enough of that BS. Putting capitalist's profits before sustainability or common good or gun lover's passions before the freedoms of the average, unarmed citizen.
We'll see what Obama does. I can see why you're worried but, you have a sensible leader now. I'll bet that there will be a sensible compromise.
You dont Rocky. You're ...um... oh so normal, well adjusted and on top of everything. thats why we love ya.
gag, by ANY standards by which NORMAL people would judge "normal" sir I'd stand toe to toe with you're sorry ass and listen to the music.....
-Rocky-
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