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Old 11-13-2008, 07:39 PM
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That is too important a secret to let the American public know!!!!! We may actually get pissed and start a revolution!!!
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I actually find myself hoping the dollar finally comes crashing down. It seems to be the only way people will finally see what a travesty central banking really is.
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I actually find myself hoping the dollar finally comes crashing down. It seems to be the only way people will finally see what a travesty central banking really is.
I hope not, going to be stationed overseas again soon =(

Really sucks when you can't go out and do anything cause you can't afford anything...
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I hope not, going to be stationed overseas again soon =(
Really sucks when you can't go out and do anything cause you can't afford anything...
Are you going even if Obama "pulls the plug"?
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I hope not, going to be stationed overseas again soon =(

Really sucks when you can't go out and do anything cause you can't afford anything...
It's pretty much inevitable at this point and just a matter of when and not if. You can protect yourself by diversifying into commodities (gold, for example) and other currencies along with other assets and property. Just be ready to bail out on the dollar and be wary of a desperate government that will look for any excuse to take what you have.
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Mashuri - I'm not really to concerned with my investments, I'm in for the long term there and our economy will eventually bounce back. It's my day to day spending that I'm worried about. If the value of the dollar goes down then everything becomes more expensive wherever I'm going. For instance I've been in Japan when it's been 120¥ to the $ and I was living very nicely, but when it got down below 100¥ to the dollar I was suckin, couldn't afford to go out very much. Dollar fluctuations really impact you a lot more when you are traveling.

Gog - Even if Obama ends our military involvement with Iraq he'll just move more troops to Afghanistan so I'll just end up there instead. So either way it doesn't make to much of a difference to me.

It's again just more of my day to day living outside of deployment that I'm worried about it effecting.
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Are you going even if Obama "pulls the plug"?
Ha ha ha... sucker.
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Mashuri - I'm not really to concerned with my investments, I'm in for the long term there and our economy will eventually bounce back. It's my day to day spending that I'm worried about. If the value of the dollar goes down then everything becomes more expensive wherever I'm going. For instance I've been in Japan when it's been 120¥ to the $ and I was living very nicely, but when it got down below 100¥ to the dollar I was suckin, couldn't afford to go out very much. Dollar fluctuations really impact you a lot more when you are traveling.

Gog - Even if Obama ends our military involvement with Iraq he'll just move more troops to Afghanistan so I'll just end up there instead. So either way it doesn't make to much of a difference to me.

It's again just more of my day to day living outside of deployment that I'm worried about it effecting.
I'd look into reputable commodity banks like GoldMoney or BullionVault to diversify cash accounts into. I'm hedging about 10% of my liquid assets in there right now and will raise / lower accordingly as the U.S. economy turns. The way things are going right now, I'll be increasing that percentage soon.
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Gog - Even if Obama ends our military involvement with Iraq he'll just move more troops to Afghanistan so I'll just end up there instead. So either way it doesn't make to much of a difference to me.
It's again just more of my day to day living outside of deployment that I'm worried about it effecting.
I cant see cessation to global hostilities in the near future.
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I think I'm going to invest more heavily in stocks, but eh, we'll see... I'm selling my truck and trailor in the near future so that will free up a lot more cash to invest.

Gog - Yep, I don't think I have to worry about being laid off anytime soon.

Sorry to anyone working in the banking or auto industry right now.
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Fed Refuses to Disclose Recipients of $2 Trillion

By Mark Pittman

Dec. 12 (Bloomberg) -- The Federal Reserve refused a request by Bloomberg News to disclose the recipients of more than $2 trillion of emergency loans from U.S. taxpayers and the assets the central bank is accepting as collateral.

Bloomberg filed suit Nov. 7 under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act requesting details about the terms of 11 Fed lending programs, most created during the deepest financial crisis since the Great Depression.

The Fed responded Dec. 8, saying it’s allowed to withhold internal memos as well as information about trade secrets and commercial information. The institution confirmed that a records search found 231 pages of documents pertaining to some of the requests.

“If they told us what they held, we would know the potential losses that the government may take and that’s what they don’t want us to know,” said Carlos Mendez, a senior managing director at New York-based ICP Capital LLC, which oversees $22 billion in assets.

The Fed stepped into a rescue role that was the original purpose of the Treasury’s $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program. The central bank loans don’t have the oversight safeguards that Congress imposed upon the TARP.

Total Fed lending exceeded $2 trillion for the first time Nov. 6. It rose by 138 percent, or $1.23 trillion, in the 12 weeks since Sept. 14, when central bank governors relaxed collateral standards to accept securities that weren’t rated AAA.

‘Been Bamboozled’

Congress is demanding more transparency from the Fed and Treasury on bailout, most recently during Dec. 10 hearings by the House Financial Services committee when Representative David Scott, a Georgia Democrat, said Americans had “been bamboozled.”

Bloomberg News, a unit of New York-based Bloomberg LP, on May 21 asked the Fed to provide data on collateral posted from April 4 to May 20. The central bank said on June 19 that it needed until July 3 to search documents and determine whether it would make them public. Bloomberg didn’t receive a formal response that would let it file an appeal within the legal time limit.

On Oct. 25, Bloomberg filed another request, expanding the range of when the collateral was posted. It filed suit Nov. 7.

In response to Bloomberg’s request, the Fed said the U.S. is facing “an unprecedented crisis” in which “loss in confidence in and between financial institutions can occur with lightning speed and devastating effects.”
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The Fed supplied copies of three e-mails in response to a request that it disclose the identities of those supplying data on collateral as well as their contracts.

While the senders and recipients of the messages were revealed, the contents were erased except for two phrases identifying a vendor as “IDC.” One of the e-mails’ subject lines refers to “Interactive Data -- Auction Rate Security Advisory May 1, 2008.”

Brian Willinsky, a spokesman for Bedford, Massachusetts- based Interactive Data Corp., a seller of fixed-income securities information, declined to comment.

“Notwithstanding calls for enhanced transparency, the Board must protect against the substantial, multiple harms that might result from disclosure,” Jennifer J. Johnson, the secretary for the Fed’s Board of Governors, said in a letter e-mailed to Bloomberg News.

‘Dangerous Step’

“In its considered judgment and in view of current circumstances, it would be a dangerous step to release this otherwise confidential information,” she wrote.

New York-based Citigroup Inc., which is shrinking its global workforce of 352,000 through asset sales and job cuts, is among the nine biggest banks receiving $125 billion in capital from the TARP since it was signed into law Oct. 3. More than 170 regional lenders are seeking an additional $74 billion.

Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said in September they would meet congressional demands for transparency in a $700 billion bailout of the banking system.

The Freedom of Information Act obliges federal agencies to make government documents available to the press and public. The Bloomberg lawsuit, filed in New York, doesn’t seek money damages.
‘Right to Know’

“There has to be something they can tell the public because we have a right to know what they are doing,” said Lucy Dalglish, executive director of the Arlington, Virginia-based Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press.

“It would really be a shame if we have to find this out 10 years from now after some really nasty class-action suit and our financial system has completely collapsed,” she said.

The Fed’s five-page response to Bloomberg may be “unprecedented” because the board usually doesn’t go into such detail about its position, said Lee Levine, a partner at Levine Sullivan Koch & Schulz LLP in Washington.

“This is uncharted territory,” said Levine during an interview from his New York office. “The Freedom of Information Act wasn’t built to anticipate this situation and that’s evident from the way the Fed tried to shoehorn their argument into the trade-secrets exemption.”

The Fed lent cash and government bonds to banks that handed over collateral including stocks and subprime and structured securities such as collateralized debt obligations, according to the Fed Web site.

Borrowers include the now-bankrupt Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., Citigroup and New York-based JPMorgan Chase & Co., the country’s biggest bank by assets.

Banks oppose any release of information because that might signal weakness and spur short-selling or a run by depositors, Scott Talbott, senior vice president of government affairs for the Financial Services Roundtable, a Washington trade group, said in an interview last month.
‘Complete Truth’

“Americans don’t want to get blindsided anymore,” Mendez said in an interview. “They don’t want it sugarcoated or whitewashed. They want the complete truth. The truth is we can’t take all the pain right now.”
The Bloomberg lawsuit said the collateral lists “are central to understanding and assessing the government’s response to the most cataclysmic financial crisis in America since the Great Depression.”

In response, the Fed argued that the trade-secret exemption could be expanded to include potential harm to any of the central bank’s customers, said Bruce Johnson, a lawyer at Davis Wright Tremaine LLP in Seattle. That expansion is not contained in the freedom-of-information law, Johnson said.

“I understand where they are coming from bureaucratically, but that means it’s all the more necessary for taxpayers to know what exactly is going on because of all the money that is being hurled at the banking system,” Johnson said.

The Bloomberg lawsuit is Bloomberg LP v. Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, 08-CV-9595, U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York (Manhattan).

To contact the reporters on this story: Mark Pittman in New York at mpittman@bloomberg.net;

Last Updated: December 12, 2008 17:12 EST
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Old 12-22-2008, 07:12 PM
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My Way News - Where'd the bailout money go? Shhhh, it's a secret
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Old 12-22-2008, 07:37 PM
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Nearly 20 years ago my dad was part of the team with Resolution Trust that took over CenTrust S&L in Miami (their skyscraper is now Bank of America Tower IIRC).

The incredible fraud and lavish lifestyle of the CEO was unbelievable: multimillion dollar yacht & beach estate all with closed-circuit TV so he could monitor them from the office, paintings worth millions that only he saw or enjoyed, gold-plated toilets and sinks in his bathroom. One entire floor was his office (complete with bulletproof glass). You couldn't take the elevator to his floor though, you had to go one floor higher and with security access take a marble staircase down to his floor/office. They found the contract to polish the marble staircase to his brother-in-law's company: $70k/month.

Would it shock anyone if 18 months from now we find that the recipients of these billions did some of the same? I doubt anyone will be surprised.

I do wonder when this entire fiasco is through some of the fallout will be a distrust of bankers in general, the bigger the more dubious their reputation.

Both my dad and brother still work in banking, although luckily haven't been too affected by the current events. Both agree that it will get worse before it gets better. I am usually not a pessimist, but all signs point to a bleak 2009.
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Fed Refuses to Release Bank Data, Insists on Secrecy

March 5 (Bloomberg) -- The Federal Reserve Board of Governors receives daily reports on bailout loans to financial institutions and won’t make the information public, the central bank said in a reply to a Bloomberg News lawsuit.

The Fed refused yesterday to disclose the names of the borrowers and the loans, alleging that it would cast “a stigma” on recipients of more than $1.9 trillion of emergency credit from U.S. taxpayers and the assets the central bank is accepting as collateral.

Fed secrecy was the focus of a Senate Banking Committee hearing today in which the panel’s top two members said the central bank’s reluctance to identify companies benefiting from the American International Group Inc. bailout risks undermining public confidence in the government.

“If the American taxpayer’s money is at stake, and it is, big time, I believe the American taxpayers, the people, and this committee, we need to know who benefited, where this money went,” said Senator Richard Shelby of Alabama, the committee’s top Republican. “There is no transparency here. We are going to find out.”

The bank provides “select members and staff of the Board of Governors with daily and weekly reports” on Primary Dealer Credit Facility borrowing, said Susan E. McLaughlin, a senior vice president in the markets group of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York in a sworn statement. The documents “include the names of the primary dealers that have borrowed from the PDCF, individual loan amounts, composition of securities pledged and rates for specific loans.”
Information Shared

The Board of Governors contends that it’s separate from its member banks, including the Federal Reserve Bank of New York which runs the lending programs. Most documents relevant to the Bloomberg suit are at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, which isn’t subject to FOIA law, according to the Fed. The Board of Governors has 231 pages of documents, which it is denying access to under an exemption under trade secrets.

“I would assume that information would be shared by the Fed and the New York Fed,” said U.S. Representative Scott Garrett, a New Jersey

Republican. “At some point, the demand for transparency is paramount to any demand that they have for secrecy.”

Bloomberg sued Nov. 7 under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act, requesting details about the terms of 11 Fed lending programs.

The Bloomberg lawsuit said the collateral lists “are central to understanding and assessing the government’s response to the most cataclysmic financial crisis in America since the Great Depression.”
‘Deeply Troubled’

Fed Vice Chairman Donald Kohn told the Senate panel today that revealing the names of AIG’s counterparties would make companies less likely to do business with any recipient of government aid, risking further turmoil at the insurer and financial markets.

“I don’t consider that an adequate” response, “to put it mildly,” Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd, a Connecticut Democrat, told Kohn at the hearing. “The public is deeply, deeply troubled.”

Shelby told the Fed vice chairman that “your answer here is very disturbing.”

“People want to know what you’ve done with this money,” he said.
Kohn said the Fed wouldn’t reveal the counterparties in Maiden Lane III, a company formed by the central bank to purchase collateralized debt obligations on which AIG’s financial products unit had written credit-default swaps.

“The Fed and the Treasury can be secretive for a while, but not forever,” Shelby said.

Commercial, Consumer Loans

The Fed stepped into a rescue role that was the original purpose of the Treasury’s $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program. The central bank’s loans don’t have the oversight safeguards that Congress imposed upon the TARP.

Total Fed lending exceeded $2 trillion for the first time Nov. 6 after rising by 138 percent, or $1.23 trillion, in the 12 weeks since Sept. 14, when central bank governors relaxed collateral standards to accept securities that weren’t rated AAA. Fed lending as of Feb. 25 was $1.92 billion.

On Feb. 23, the Fed disclosed a breakdown by broad categories for $1.81 trillion of collateral pledged by banks and bond dealers as of Dec. 17 after Congress demanded more transparency from the central bank.
$11.7 Trillion

The largest portions of collateral being held by the Fed at that time were $456 billion in commercial loans, $203 billion in consumer loans and $159 billion in residential mortgages, according to the central bank’s Web site. It didn’t identify any loans or provide their credit ratings and said it will update the figures about every two months.

Government loans, spending or guarantees to rescue the country’s financial system total more than $11.7 trillion since the international credit crisis began in August 2007, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. In return, banks left collateral with the central bank that effectively acts as a credit line that lenders can draw on without posting additional assets.
Bloomberg News, a unit of New York-based Bloomberg LP, on May 21 asked the Fed to provide data on collateral posted from April 4 to May 20.

The central bank said June 19 that it needed until July 3 to search documents and determine whether it would make them public. Bloomberg didn’t receive a formal response that would let it file an appeal within the legal time limit.

‘Unprecedented Crisis’

On Oct. 25, Bloomberg filed another request, expanding the range of when the collateral was posted. It sued Nov. 7.

In response to Bloomberg’s request, the Fed said the U.S. is facing “an unprecedented crisis” in which “loss in confidence in and between financial institutions can occur with lightning speed and devastating effects.”

Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke and then Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said in September they would meet congressional demands for transparency in a $700 billion bailout of the banking system.

Banks oppose any release of information because that might signal weakness and spur short-selling or a run by depositors, the Fed argued in its response.

“Rumors that Citibank might be borrow at the DW (discount window) in the early 1990s reportedly sparked runs of some of its offices in Asia,” said Brian Madigan, the Fed’s director of the Division of Monetary Affairs, in a sworn statement.

The Freedom of Information Act obliges federal agencies to make government documents available to the press and public. The Bloomberg lawsuit, filed in New York, doesn’t seek money damages.

“You could make everything a trade secret,” said Lucy Dalglish, executive director of the Arlington, Virginia-based Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press.

The case is Bloomberg LP v. Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, 08-CV-9595, U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York (Manhattan).
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The irony of the situation will be when the law makers finally get the transparency they want and then spew the lies themselves regarding the situation at hand. I'm confident that if any of the information gets out about what is really going on that everything america has seen happen as far as the economy is concerned will only look like a blip in the radar compared to the fallout that will happen.

Basically, the Fed has printed trillions and laughably backed it with IOU's that aren't worth the paper they were written on, and are just using smoke and mirrors to delay the innevitable. It will becomre clear that the money supply has been inflated faster then that of zimbabwes and there will be a global flight from the US $
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Statistics are always debatable but I'm not seeing a whole lot of growth in currency here:



Let's see some evidence that the Treasury has been on a printing spree.
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now to put that chart into context, if anyone is interested. Money supply - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Inflation, Money Supply, GDP, Unemployment and the Dollar - Alternate Data Series
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