You can set it to defrost, warm, heat, or fry. Pinpoint or wide beam...
250 yards stand off, the big ones will fry at over 700 yards. Ever watch that fascistic conditioning on Discovery, "Future Weapons" ?
Pentagon Considering Portable ‘Pain Ray' Guns
Tuesday, October 14, 2008 10:56 AM
By: Nat Helms Article Font Size
The Department of Defense is negotiating with Raytheon to purchase a more portable version of the contractor's non-lethal “pain ray” weapons.
The devices, which are part of Raytheon's Active Denial System, use high-frequency radio beams that make human targets feel like they are catching on fire.
Congress has already approved $25 million to purchase five Raytheon Silent Guardian pain ray devices for “non-lethal defense” against hostile crowds, Shawn Miller, the Raytheon manager overseeing the project, tells Newsmax. The devices weigh about 10,000 pounds and are mounted on ruggedized versions of civilian pickup trucks.
Contrary to published reports that claim the Army will deploy the new weapon, which branch of service to get it first and where it will be deployed has yet to be determined, Miller says.
“It is not necessarily a U.S. Army program. There is a $25 million contract, but it doesn't specify the system is going to the Army,” Miller says.
In addition to the DOD, the Department of Homeland Security, various police agencies and unnamed “international customers” have displayed interest in acquiring the system, Miller says.
Raytheon has already delivered a much larger and more powerful pain-ray device to the U.S. Air Force called the “Active Denial System 2” and will deliver at least one more in the near future. The larger system — usually referred to as ADS 2 — is a large, truck-mounted unit the size of a small building and is designed for classified missions that Miller declined to elaborate on.
“Any place that you want to de-escalate violence, whether protecting a check point, a high-value military asset, or a civilian security asset, [the ADS] allows the de-escalation of violence,” Miller adds.
The futuristic weapon produces high-frequency millimeter waves directed toward the target by an antenna that looks like a radar dish to direct a focused, invisible beam of energy toward a designated target. It has a range of about 800 feet and targets one individual at a time, Miller says.
“If somebody was throwing a Molotov cocktail at your troops, it would cause that individual to drop it and seek cover,” Miller said. “It is a less lethal deterrent that allows users to deter people without immediately going to lethal force.”
Traveling at the speed of light, the energy strikes the subject and penetrates the skin to a depth of about 1/64th of an inch, or the equivalent of three sheets of paper. It produces a heat sensation that within seconds becomes intolerable and forces the targeted individual to instinctively retreat, Miller said.
According to the Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Directorate, based at Marine Corps Base Quantico, Va., the Silent Guardian will help troops fill the gap “between shouting and shooting."
They'll learn new skills, use some of the ones they acquired in the war zone and more than likely will not be shot at while doing any of it.
They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack. . . .
The 1st BCT's soldiers also will learn how to use "the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded," 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.
"It's a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they're fielding. They've been using pieces of it in Iraq, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we’re undertaking we were the first to get it."
The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets.
"I was the first guy in the brigade to get Tasered," said Cloutier, describing the experience as "your worst muscle cramp ever -- times 10 throughout your whole body". . . .
The brigade will not change its name, but the force will be known for the next year as a CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, or CCMRF (pronounced "sea-smurf").
I think there's obvious uses for non-lethal deterents, imagine your embassy is being attacked by a crowd of civillians, you want to repel the mob without killing (if possible) the perps. Don't really see the controversy in this other than the types who would say ANYTHING the "man" has to keep them from doing what they want (legal or not) is a bad thing.....
-Rocky-
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Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
Actually, if you've ever been subjected to one of the "critical mass" events in San Francisco (once a month on friday nights) where hundreds of IDIOTS on bicycles block every intersection they can, run red lights and basically make every sane human they cross want to rip their throat out. I see domestic uses for it!
-Rocky-
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Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
According to the laws of the Holy Roman Empire "torture" was any physical punishment which would not directly cause immediate death in an healthy adult. Thus breaking a girl's legs with Spanish boots because you wanted the names of her fellow sorceresses wasn't technically torture. When Joseph II abolished torture from his domains he merely abolished all those forms of execution which involved a prolonged and painful agony for the victim, like quartering. Has anything changed?
Leaving these deep considerations aside it's ironic to consider that a similar device was briefly experimented in Nazi Germany. According to Ian Hogg (German Secret Weapons of the Second World War) a certain Dr Zippermeyer run tests on the possibility of using soundwaves as means of offense. He carefully researched effects on animals and humans alike, noting frequency, pitch, distance etc. He even built a prototype "sound cannon" which was a very crude ancestor of this contraption. Will we ever learn?
So I guess you are saying when confronted with the possibility of great bodily harm/death, it's better to respond with leathal force rather than a non-lethal weapon?
-Rocky-
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Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
Actually, if you've ever been subjected to one of the "critical mass" events in San Francisco (once a month on friday nights) where hundreds of IDIOTS on bicycles block every intersection they can, run red lights and basically make every sane human they cross want to rip their throat out. I see domestic uses for it!
-Rocky-
Here, here!
__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) "When fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and holding a cross." Sinclair Lewis I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
DUDE! Is this the signn of "end times", we AGREE on SOMETHING?!?
-Rocky-
PS. Goin' to Red Bull Soaap Box Derby this weekend in S.F.? Looks like a gas! (I''ll buy you a beer, and I won't even spit in it!)
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Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
What I am actually saying is that these "non-lethal" weapons (teasers included) simply twist around the concept of using violence. It won't kill, so it's OK in our books, it's acceptable and can be used no problems.
Of course until it gets used on you.
I know I'll probably get clubbed for this but I have taken part in many protests in the past years (last one a year ago or so) and I would be ready to march out this instant for a cause I believe to be good.
But I cannot condone vandalizing other people's properties or even touching another person: blocking a street with a sit-in is one thing, burning down a shop is another one completely. I take great pride that every single protest I have helped organize or taken part into has ended in the most peaceful way, sometimes even with policemen coming to thank us for giving them a very easy time. But I strayed too far form the original idea.
DUDE! Is this the signn of "end times", we AGREE on SOMETHING?!?
-Rocky-
PS. Goin' to Red Bull Soaap Box Derby this weekend in S.F.? Looks like a gas! (I''ll buy you a beer, and I won't even spit in it!)
Unlike you , I will admit when I agree with a numbskull. I guess I just have more self-confidence, huh?
Man, I so wanted to take my kids to the derby - been seeing the ads on tv. But I have to work that day . Too bad, we coulda hooked up and smoked a doobie.
__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) "When fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and holding a cross." Sinclair Lewis I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
Got some "KGB" from Green Cross.Org! (They deliver!)
-Rocky-
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Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
Grow your own. It's the only way to know what you're smoking, or vaporizing, or eating. That applies to everything consumed, if possible. I'm really glad to see so many communities pushing the idea of eating local stuff. Shipping grapes from Chile or whatever is incredibly dumb, IMO.
__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) "When fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and holding a cross." Sinclair Lewis I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
Under advisement from my legal counsel, I prefer to exercise my 5th ammendment rights regarding cultivation.............
-Rocky-
(it IS Californias #1 cash crop..................)
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Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
I think we need an Israeli style wall along the entire border with motion-sensing pain ray guns the entire distance to keep the mo-fo's out. Let them in through gates for legal work.
__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) "When fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and holding a cross." Sinclair Lewis I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
I'd personally pay higher taxes to see them used in Oakland!
-Rocky-
(3 more street killings last night, why don't they GIVE everyone there shotguns (so they don't miss.....) and come back in a month when things quiet down.........)
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Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
I'd personally pay higher taxes to see them used in Oakland!
-Rocky-
(3 more street killings last night, why don't they GIVE everyone there shotguns (so they don't miss.....) and come back in a month when things quiet down.........)
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Rocky,
I lived in Oakland & I never had a problem... within a week of moving to a "better" neighborhood in Burlingame, my truck window was smashed, stereo & laptop gone.
Yeow, I grew up in the Burlingame Hills (technically Hillsborough). how long ago did you live in Oakland? I don't (or EVER WILL) live there, but in the past 10 years it's gotten out of control. WELL over 100 killings a year, just a general decline in every measurable aspect of civilazation.......They need to carpet bomb and start over. Moved years ago to the base of Mt. Diablo in the East Bay Hills, no gunfire at night, just coyotes and shooting stars......
-Rocky-
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Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
anyone read Orwell?
. Too bad, we coulda hooked up and smoked a doobie.
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