10-1-08 EDIT NOTE: CHANGING THREAD FROM "THE DEBATES" TO "THE ELECTION"
Pres. #1
I thought it was close. McCain had more higher moments but more lower ones too (especially his teeth when he was trying to say Ahmedinejad). McCains big problem, as I see it, is his temper. He looked frustrated, mad, sour much of the time. And the way he ignored Obama, even when Obama was talking directly to him, was just plain weird. Was that a conscious decision - I hope so. Even then it was so childish.
Obama has big ears but he's tall and has a great, smooth voice. He makes McCain seem like a troll. Obama must have been taking debate lessons because there was no hesitation as he usually does. If we chose on presentation and personality then there is no contest. On content, I think McCain's experience showed through. There's no way Obama can compete with that. Wisdom is another matter though.
verdict: Obama by a nose (or an ear). The biggest reason is that he answered quickly and forcefully. That is the one thing he has been most lacking in leading up to this point. He looked and sounded very presidential. McCain looked and sounded like a Congressman. This leaves out issues because that depends on partisan leanings.
__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) "When fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and holding a cross." Sinclair Lewis I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
McCain has to lie because thats all that is left for him. His nose was so far up Bush's ass...
WTF are they gonna do with Palin on Thursday? I hear she doesnt have to debate.. all she has to do is go over weird talking points and rally the hockey players so the rest of the republicans with roll over on their backs and soil themselves in a desperate attempt to ingratiate themselvs with her wisdoms...
She isnt going to talk to the press "until they are nice to her"... lol! So...I guess if/when McCain croaks(20% chance without considering his health) Sarah wont talk to Putin until he's nice to her...
WTF are they gonna do with Palin on Thursday? I hear she doesnt have to debate.. all she has to do is go over weird talking points and...
She isnt going to talk to the press "until they are nice to her"... lol! Sarah wont talk to Putin until he's nice to her...
The question I have is: will they see the questions before the debate? Some of them are run that way. It would make a huge difference to the hockey mom.
The last couple of interviews has shown us why they've been keeping her under raps.
I don't know if Sarah would talk to Putin but I'll bet she would look into his soul. She also said she would send in the military if Russia attacked Georgia. I don't know if that's the right response but at least she shows the same gritty determination that George Bush has shown . Just think: eight years of Bush, one of McCain, seven of Palin. Is this how the Roman's went?
__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) "When fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and holding a cross." Sinclair Lewis I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
The question I have is: will they see the questions before the debate? Some of them are run that way. It would make a huge difference to the hockey mom.
The last couple of interviews has shown us why they've been keeping her under raps.
I don't know if Sarah would talk to Putin but I'll bet she would look into his soul. She also said she would send in the military if Russia attacked Georgia. I don't know if that's the right response but at least she shows the same gritty determination that George Bush has shown . Just think: eight years of Bush, one of McCain, seven of Palin. Is this how the Roman's went?
Sarah Palin(aka the idiot) will not be doing much but teleprompting and speaking in tongues. The real power is scolding its beloved money fold for their reckless indulgences with taxpayer money whilst padding and petting them for excelling at nefarious trrade deals and the "unblocking" of the very infrastructure of America. All the while, clad in a lobster bib because they're drooling for dumb ass American white wingers to vote their fears and prejudices.
I suppose we can see how/why republicans went crazy against Jeremiah Wright when he raved about corporate, white, evil America... you know, the ones who stole the economy and lied about security, war, environment etc. I can see they had a wright to be worried. Now, if someone shows them the Wasilla Wicken Whipper(AKA ignorant/arrogant bitch) championing an African witchhunt and celebrating the stoking of hatred and fear in poor, uneducated nations. It's hard to wrap your head around it but if you look to Rwanda... look for pseudo Christian asswipes(of the same ilk) who left after the hacking started to infect another part of Earth with hate and fear. Yea Sarah Palin.
Yeah, she's got some great spiritual leadershit. Kinda like Ted Haggard spiritually advising GWB. Running a Jesus camp whilst taking Meth, gay sex massage and gay(happy) messages from Geoorge Bush.. ew. Raising another crop of Jesus defilers, Muslim haters.
Where is the press in all this? Trying to appease the inbred evangelicals because they're crying and lying about unfair liberal this and that... lofty shit.
What makes a stupid ass right winger vote for person before party... party before country? Hmm... Lets start a Trillion dollar war and the rail against taxes... "I'll vote in thieves. cowards, liars, hypocrites, scoundrels, cheaters and constitution rapers but... I just dont understand why we're so facked"...
Right wingers cannot break free from impressions and imprints that infected their adaptation gene and common sense lobes from infancy and adolescence. Fear, aggression and hatred run the philosophy and demeanor of the average republican. Classic, conservative values are eroded until the ding-a-ling has what it needs... a black and white view of everything. Unabashed denial of earthly conditions/changes, self righteousness, anti humility, greed, racism, endless list of fear and evils blah blah.. but.. NEVER accountability!
The only way to get rid of them is through uninfected education. Intelligent design is for babies, throw it in the dumpster along with cannibalism and flat earth philosophy. Enforce the law(Catch the heartless with a have a heartless trap... that'd be nice to see Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gozales, Asscroft and all the other NeoConJobs chained together, picking up litter in New Orleans.
The narrowness of your world view is only exceeded by the size of your mouth, talk about a "black and white" (in more ways than one!) wiew of the world. I was almost going to generalize on the sad state of the Canadian educational system producing critical thinkers like you, but it would sound too much like the drivel you spew. All I ever hear in ANY of your posts is jealousy and hatered, anyone who even bothers to finish one of your posts sees you for what you are, an insecure little boy, who has finally found a venue where he can scream and rail with impunity about issues you really can't understand and never will be able to control, so you rant about how everyone wealthier, happier, or in any way different than your miserable self must be idiots because;
A) They can't "understand" your higher concept thinking on environment, economics, race, etc.
or
B) They must be complicit in some "neocon" movement because they own a home or business (therefore "selling out" to "the Man") or believe the way to end radical Muslim terrorisim is to fight it head on where it lives, WHEREVER that may be. (maybe yer daddy (if you even know who he was....) never explained to ya that when you KNOW a fight is ineveitable the guy who hits FIRST and HARDEST usually wins.) So rather than sing Kum-Ba-Ya to them, we find that vaporizing them appears to be a more permanent souloution. Don't bother thanking us for keeping yo boys safe, we're just doing the same thing we've done since day one, (all the heavy lifting) So light another joint, have a Molsen and build a snowman or whatever you do up there, 'cause not only don't we need your "help" or "advice", we don't want it! And don't worry, unlike the REAL world, you can continue your morally and factually bankrupt rants without fear of what would happen in the REAL world (ie. the "street")
God Bless America
-Rocky-
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ROCKYMT
Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
The narrowness of your world view is only exceeded by the size of your mouth, talk about a "black and white" (in more ways than one!) wiew of the world. I was almost going to generalize on the sad state of the Canadian educational system producing critical thinkers like you, but it would sound too much like the drivel you spew. All I ever hear in ANY of your posts is jealousy and hatered, anyone who even bothers to finish one of your posts sees you for what you are, an insecure little boy, who has finally found a venue where he can scream and rail with impunity about issues you really can't understand and never will be able to control, so you rant about how everyone wealthier, happier, or in any way different than your miserable self must be idiots because;
A) They can't "understand" your higher concept thinking on environment, economics, race, etc.
or
B) They must be complicit in some "neocon" movement because they own a home or business (therefore "selling out" to "the Man") or believe the way to end radical Muslim terrorisim is to fight it head on where it lives, WHEREVER that may be. (maybe yer daddy (if you even know who he was....) never explained to ya that when you KNOW a fight is ineveitable the guy who hits FIRST and HARDEST usually wins.) So rather than sing Kum-Ba-Ya to them, we find that vaporizing them appears to be a more permanent souloution. Don't bother thanking us for keeping yo boys safe, we're just doing the same thing we've done since day one, (all the heavy lifting) So light another joint, have a Molsen and build a snowman or whatever you do up there, 'cause not only don't we need your "help" or "advice", we don't want it! And don't worry, unlike the REAL world, you can continue your morally and factually bankrupt rants without fear of what would happen in the REAL world (ie. the "street")
No, actually whats pathetic (other than your world views, or lack thereof) is that you obviously don't have a life. Anyone who posts has merely to wait about 4 nanoseconds for your response, you don't leave mommys basement much do ya son......I mean the internet is coll and all, but it's not like REAL LIFE.
-Rocky-
Don't forget gog-boy, Jesus loves you (everyone else you're a turd!)
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ROCKYMT
Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
Good knowledge.
I heard about this African preacher but missed the details. Fill us in. Seems like little Wasilla has got some strange goings on.
__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) "When fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and holding a cross." Sinclair Lewis I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
No, I'm talking about the African preacher who was a guest speaker at her church and who she gave credit to for her success. He has a history of chasing down evil spirits in African towns and driving out the demons - which actually meant driving out the innocent people who he suspected. Shit, now I'll have to look it up and report back, since you don't know. Later.
__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) "When fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and holding a cross." Sinclair Lewis I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
No, I'm talking about the African preacher who was a guest speaker at her church and who she gave credit to for her success. He has a history of chasing down evil spirits in African towns and driving out the demons - which actually meant driving out the innocent people who he suspected. Shit, now I'll have to look it up and report back, since you don't know. Later.
Palin linked electoral success to prayer of Kenyan witchhunter
The pastor whose prayer Sarah Palin says helped her to become governor of Alaska founded his ministry with a witchhunt against a Kenyan woman who he accused of causing car accidents through demonic spells. At a speech at the Wasilla Assembly of God on June 8 this year, Mrs Palin described how Thomas Muthee had laid his hands on her when he visited the church as a guest preacher in late 2005, prior to her successful gubernatorial bid.
In video footage of the speech, she is seen saying: “As I was mayor and Pastor Muthee was here and he was praying over me, and you know how he speaks and he’s so bold. And he was praying “Lord make a way, Lord make a way.”
“And I’m thinking, this guy’s really bold, he doesn’t even know what I’m going to do, he doesn’t know what my plans are. And he’s praying not “oh Lord if it be your will may she become governor,” no, he just prayed for it. He said “Lord make a way and let her do this next step. And that’s exactly what happened.”
She then adds: “So, again, very very powerful, coming from this church,” before the presiding pastor comments on the “prophetic power” of the event.
An African evangelist, Pastor Muthee has given guest sermons at the Wasilla Assembly of God on at least 10 occasions in his role as the founder of the Word of Faith Church, also known as the Prayer Cave.
Pastor Muthee founded the Prayer Cave in 1989 in Kiambu, Kenya after “God spoke” to him and his late wife Margaret and called him to the country, according to the church’s website.
The pastor speaks of his offensive against a demonic presence in the town in a trailer for the evangelical video “Transformations”, made by Sentinel Group, a Christian research and information agency.
“We prayed, we fasted, the Lord showed us a spirit of witchcraft resting over the place,” Pastor Muthee says.
After the spirit was broken, the crime rate dropped to almost zero and there was “explosive church growth” while almost every bar in the town closed down, the video says.
The full Transformations video featuring Pastor Muthee’s story has recently been removed from YouTube but the rest of the story is detailed in a 1999 article in the Christian Science Monitor, as well as on numerous evangelical websites.
According to the Christian Science Monitor, six months of fervent prayer and research identified the source of the witchcraft as a local woman called Mama Jane, who ran a “divination” centre called the Emmanuel Clinic.
Her alleged involvement in fortune-telling and the fact that she lived near the site of a number of fatal car accidents led Pastor Muthee to publicly declare her a witch responsible for the town’s ills, and order her to offer her up her soul for salvation or leave Kiambu.
Says the Monitor, “Muthee held a crusade that “brought about 200 people to Christ”.” They set up round-the-clock prayer intercession in the basement of a grocery store and eventually, says the pastor “the demonic influence – the ‘principality’ over Kiambu –was broken”, and Mama Jane fled the town.
According to accounts of the witchhunt circulated on evangelical websites such as Prayer Links Ministries, after Pastor Muthee declared Mama Jane a witch, the townspeople became suspicious and began to turn on her, demanding that she be stoned. Public outrage eventually led the police to raid her home, where they fired gunshots, killing a pet python which they believed to be a demon.
After Mama Jane was questioned by police – and released – she decided it was time to leave town, the account says.
Pastor Muthee has frequently referred to this witchhunt in his sermons as an example of the power of “spiritual warfare”. In October 2005, he delivered ten sermons at the Wasilla Assembly of God, the audio of which was available on the church’s website until it was removed around the time Mrs Palin’s candidacy was announced. The blog Irregular Times has listings and screen grabs of the sermons.
It was during that these sermons that Mrs Palin, who was then preparing for her gubernatorial run, was anointed by Pastor Muthee. His intercession, she says, was “awesome”.
Her June 8 speech was to mark the graduation of students from the Wasilla Assembly of God’s Masters’ Commission, which, as Pastor Ed Kalins explains, believes Alaska will be the refuge for American evangelicals upon the coming “End of Days”. After her speech, Mrs Palin was presented with an honorary Masters’ Commission diploma.
I thought it was close. McCain had more higher moments but more lower ones too (especially his teeth when he was trying to say Ahmedinejad). McCains big problem, as I see it, is his temper. He looked frustrated, mad, sour much of the time. And the way he ignored Obama, even when Obama was talking directly to him, was just plain weird. Was that a conscious decision - I hope so. Even then it was so childish.
Obama has big ears but he's tall and has a great, smooth voice. He makes McCain seem like a troll. Obama must have been taking debate lessons because there was no hesitation as he usually does. If we chose on presentation and personality then there is no contest. On content, I think McCain's experience showed through. There's no way Obama can compete with that. Wisdom is another matter though.
verdict: Obama by a nose (or an ear). The biggest reason is that he answered quickly and forcefully. That is the one thing he has been most lacking in leading up to this point. He looked and sounded very presidential. McCain looked and sounded like a Congressman. This leaves out issues because that depends on partisan leanings.
One thing that Obama definitely did improperly was to interrupt McCain while it was his time. For Obama to say "That's not true" is poor form. If it is untrue, use your time to explain why it is untrue.
I won't miss the debate on Thursday for anything. It will be very interesting. The majority seem to expect Palin to look like some backwater idiot. After the market turmoil yesterday I OD'd on political news shows. MSNBC is so obviously biased toward Obama that they shouldn't even be considered a news channel.
Location: new hapshire, wishing those massholes leave soon...
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gog, i am surprised no one else has mentioned (well, not so surprised...) but isn't your time better spent, considering the canadian election is in two weeks (about 3 weeks prior to the american election) rallying to get that neocon harper out of office?
One thing that Obama definitely did improperly was to interrupt McCain while it was his time. For Obama to say "That's not true" is poor form. If it is untrue, use your time to explain why it is untrue.
I won't miss the debate on Thursday for anything. It will be very interesting. The majority seem to expect Palin to look like some backwater idiot. After the market turmoil yesterday I OD'd on political news shows. MSNBC is so obviously biased toward Obama that they shouldn't even be considered a news channel.
I hate it when they interupt - it makes them look stupid. But I don't know about the rest of America. Many people probably expect it since they all seem to do it. Not fighting back is seen as soft by many.
I really want to see Palin/Biden. Even after the semi-idiotic videos that I've seen of Palin so far I still expect her to do okay. They must know what questions to expect. The moderators are always soft and let the combatants get away with avoiding a solid answer. In a way debates are a sham. But I've seen enough of Sarah already to know that she has no business being anywhere the White House. You could just as easily replace Palin with Tina Fey and no one would know the difference. Palin is just an opportunistic, cocky, whack job who people like because of her background and her looks. She even talks like she's from Wasilla...or Crawford. That should alarm everyone.
You're right about MSNBC. They've obviously taken on the mantel of the anti-FOX. It's a marketing move.
__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) "When fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and holding a cross." Sinclair Lewis I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
Palin linked electoral success to prayer of Kenyan witchhunter
Thanks for doing the dirty work, Gog. For the life of me, I will never understand the way people act in life. What is the significance of standing in front of a congregation with your palms raised while a witchhunter "lays hands" on you and speaks jiberish? Really, what and why does raising your hands mean anything, anything at all. Like I said, Sarah Palin is a cult brain in a beauty pageant body, little more than that. In fact the only thing she has done that has been impressive is to resign from the oil and gas commission and be a whistle blower. Except for that one thing I haven't heard anything that makes her worthy of any admiration. She did the same thing to the Wasilla budget that George Bush did to the U.S. one. She has the same incurious, lack of world view and experience that George Bush had. She has the same record of cronyism that George has. She is 90% lie and 10% truth, just like George. I'd like to hear Gwen Ifil ask Sarah about pastor Muthee and also to ask her about why Sarah thinks Alaska is a "refuge state". It's about time people who had these nutty views were called to task and were required to explain the logic of their thought before they get elected to office. God, the U.S. just gets more and more bizarre.
__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) "When fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and holding a cross." Sinclair Lewis I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
gog, i am surprised no one else has mentioned (well, not so surprised...) but isn't your time better spent, considering the canadian election is in two weeks (about 3 weeks prior to the american election) rallying to get that neocon harper out of office?
I am not a fan of Harper but I'd pick him over a liberal right now because the liberal party up here acted just as poorly(the last 10 years) as your republican party has the last 20 years. I am still pissed with them, still not impressed by them and find myself voting(behaving*best I can) green again. You guys need a third party. Green Covering Intro...
Most political parties base their plans on one looming event — the next election, and one aim — staying in power. The Green Party is different. We look much further forward, and we plan for a far greater goal: a livable world, with enough for everyone, with healthy communities based on healthy economies, secure for future generations. The Green Party faces the major threats of our time — the climate crisis, economic instability, increasing militarism and a growing gap between rich and poor — with clear-eyed realism. It offers practical solutions and down-to-earth policies. We want to engage Canadians in the positive changes essential to bequeath a livable world to our children.
Yes, it requires more brains than brawn, more honesty than politic and more sacrifice and patience. Ladies and gentlemen, may we see a ding-a-ling green alternative please.
The Election
). McCains big problem, as I see it, is his temper. He looked frustrated, mad, sour much of the time. And the way he ignored Obama, even when Obama was talking directly to him, was just plain weird. Was that a conscious decision - I hope so. Even then it was so childish.
. Just think: eight years of Bush, one of McCain, seven of Palin. Is this how the Roman's went?
At a speech at the Wasilla Assembly of God on June 8 this year, Mrs Palin described how Thomas Muthee had laid his hands on her when he visited the church as a guest preacher in late 2005, prior to her successful gubernatorial bid.
) green again. You guys need a third party. Green Covering Intro...
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