Who They Are:
Traditional Conservatives believe in traditional morals and a capitalist economy. They believe a limited government is needed for both to flourish. They support open international trade and a humbler foreign policy. In the past, Traditional Conservatives have stood for less government spending and lower taxes. They have not advocated empire building and have chosen war as the last option.
That seems like the best defense to crazy ass "liberal" social schemes and bad ideas like little or no military, lax criminal laws, gay sex taught to kid in schools etc.
Neo-Conservatism
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Who they are:
Basically to some it all up, “neo-cons” think that the U.S is the only remaining superpower and should use it’s position to sustain global stability and influence the spread of democracy.
Doesn't work. Read a history book or two. As far as "spread" of democracy... wake up to closed bid contracts and shadowy, shabby paperwork... a.k.a. three card Monty. Take vital care of the constitution that your democracy is based on.
Wake up! If you dont think twice, double check, look back, reflect, verify, you will be subverted and cheated, robbed and abandoned.
Fear your imprinting...question it.
American appreciation of, and homage to, this Athenian heritage is as crucial to Democracy itself. You cant be appreciative of something you are unaware of. If you are unaware or oblivious, it means you didn't double check, intuitively question or wide eyed examine in the light of day... it means you've settled for an easy way and out sourced responsibility... guess it's not personal responsibility anymore.
Short term, narrow, straight line philosophy on a fragile planet that is round...ow. Chop it up Mr. "Free" market... dont bother Barney or Bill if he is running a God given, red blooded American business... He shall have his exoctic trees! As a matter of fact, he'll trade guns for trees. That way, more, cheap guns mean more socialist, terrorists and pagan stick lives can be put under the tracks of American capitalistic progress... pollution= environment be damned , security=freedom be damned , humility= spirituality be damned ..ah fak even the future be damned! I
Do unto others.... yeah right.
If you want to see, understand and believe that what is happening to you has happened before(liberals/conservatives, right/left, democrat/republican), go to:
If you care to inquire, some might say Sparta prevailed, some may say Athens did in the long run. Whatever, whomever, they lost their way and fought each other into decline and fall, misery and loss.
Of course it was Athens that prevailed when you examine it's influence on how we speak, live our lives, aspire, research, teach, conduct business. If you dont think that Athens is related to you, and your nation then... you haven't been to Philadelphia. Gee what is the significance of Philly to the birth of your nation? Gee how much did Madison and Jefferson believe in Athenian Democracy? How closely is the American democracy(the US Constitution) modeled after the Athenian? My GF is from Philly and she is built like the liberty bell... well, except her crack is bigger.
If you could draw a parallel between all the events of Ancient Greece, learn a valuable lesson or two, become ambidextrous in your politics, pay respects to those who have willingly fallen for true democracy and demand truth from your dodgy leaders, the rest of us could welcome back traditional conservatism and the return of common sense and balance to the wacky liberals.
Hint:
Fight treason...
Punish those who harm your democracy!!!!!!
Ostracize!!!! Bring back the ancient custom... I'll supply the shards.
Punish NeoCons! Dont wait for Jesus to do it.
Here ya go, if you dont think you are living in a Athenian inspired world...
thank again.
"Excepting machinery, there is hardly anything secular in our culture that does not come from Greece. Schools, gymnasiums, arithmetic, geometry, history, rhetoric, physics, biology, anatomy, hygiene, therapy, cosmetics, poetry, music, tragedy, comedy, philosophy, theology, agnosticism, skepticism, stoicism, epicureanism, ethics, politics, idealism, philanthropy, cynicism, tyranny, plutocracy, democracy: these are all Greek words for cultural forms seldom originated, but in many cases first matured for good or evil by the abounding energy of the Greeks. All the problems that disturb us today- the cutting down of the forests and the erosion of the soil; the emancipation of women and the limitation of the family; the conservatism of the established, and the experimentalism of the unplaced, in morals, music, and the government; the corruption of politics and the perversions of conduct; the conflict of religion and science, the weakening of the supernatural supports of morality; the war of the classes, the nations, and the continents; the revolutions of the poor against the economically powerfully rich, and of the rich against the politically powerfully poor; the struggle between democracy and dictatorship, between individualism and communism, between the East and the West- all these agitated, as if for our instruction, the brilliant and turbulent life of ancient Hellas. There is nothing in Greek civilization that does not illuminate our own... "
Yeah, "wikipedia".....THAT's the source for all my info...
-Rocky-
(I think ya ought to double up on the aluminum foil helmet, the cosmic rays are sneaking in.......)
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ROCKYMT
Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
I forgot that you think Wiki is a communistic plot to subvert Rush Limbaugh's followers!
As a NeoCon job said recently... Even facts have a liberal bias!.... lol.
In your government the guy who looks like Carl Rove, and goes Ga GA for Coulter, gets the job....
It must matter to someone that leaders are lying, cheating failing. Economies are broken, cities fail, lives are wasted and pollution goes unchecked under the wing of neocon America. You whine about small business and yet you dont fire a stupid loser from his job when he cant do anything right. You must live on small business subsidies because I dont know ANY other business people who could afford to hire, tolerate and promote an idiot like George Bush. Well, you are bankrupt because of Bush and Co.
Here come captain McCain...Capt. DeRegulator.
Now we can expect the blame game from the idiots who think Rush Limbaugh is a good American or a good person or a person of substance. Now we see what happens when you cheer lead for a pimple assed draft dodging, drug abusing anti drug lecturer/hypocrite junkie coward.
You guys sure know how to pick the worst possible people for your countries top jobs. If you really want 'people' to take 'personal' responsibility... take a look in the mirror.
Oh wait... here's comes Coulter in a MILF outfit. Here comes more NeoCon jobbery, here's more flag waiving, party chanting, anti socialist Big Government.
Let's hit the Axis of evil with Sarah Palin ..hahaha.
As far as "spread" of democracy... wake up to closed bid contracts and shadowy, shabby paperwork... a.k.a. three card Monty.
But spreading democracy does work! It gives us Hamas and Hezbollah, and an Iraq that is run by militias who gobble up our tax money (that's income redistribution for all you Republican lovers - but you don't cry about it...why?). Why? Because you'd rather cut off your nose than spite your face. And it's painfully obvious to the rest of us.
Anyone checked the national debt lately? Fiscal conservatism is such a great, great thing.
__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) "When fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and holding a cross." Sinclair Lewis I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
I forgot that you think Wiki is a communistic plot to subvert Rush Limbaugh's followers!
As a NeoCon job said recently... Even facts have a liberal bias!.... lol.
In your government the guy who looks like Carl Rove, and goes Ga GA for Coulter, gets the job....
It must matter to someone that leaders are lying, cheating failing. Economies are broken, cities fail, lives are wasted and pollution goes unchecked under the wing of neocon America. You whine about small business and yet you dont fire a stupid loser from his job when he cant do anything right. You must live on small business subsidies because I dont know ANY other business people who could afford to hire, tolerate and promote an idiot like George Bush. Well, you are bankrupt because of Bush and Co.
Here come captain McCain...Capt. DeRegulator.
Now we can expect the blame game from the idiots who think Rush Limbaugh is a good American or a good person or a person of substance. Now we see what happens when you cheer lead for a pimple assed draft dodging, drug abusing anti drug lecturer/hypocrite junkie coward.
You guys sure know how to pick the worst possible people for your countries top jobs. If you really want 'people' to take 'personal' responsibility... take a look in the mirror.
Oh wait... here's comes Coulter in a MILF outfit. Here comes more NeoCon jobbery, here's more flag waiving, party chanting, anti socialist Big Government.
Let's hit the Axis of evil with Sarah Palin ..hahaha.
Yeah, THATS it, we should look to canada for leadership.... (maybe they can defend us too!)
-Rocky-
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Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
Some might go as far to say that America, is the modern day Rome, at the height of the era, just like the Roman Empire.
...I can here the wistle blowing. The change train is comin round the bend, and what will we sale or trade to board that train? What spin can we put on it, to keep profits high, but destination low. How can we design such interpretation as to maximize followers. etc.
I would like to think that a basic observation would be to realize, that trains, are on designated tracks, and can't stray. If you don't like the car you might be boarding, the only change is to paint it a different color. But it is still the same damn train, headed down the same damn track.
That's a dumb post.
Anyone, including us, can change direction. There is no track in life, only ruts, and you can get out of a rut. Unless of course you think like Sarah Palin or George Bush, then you don't have a say in the matter.
__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) "When fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and holding a cross." Sinclair Lewis I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
That's a dumb post.
Anyone, including us, can change direction. There is no track in life, only ruts, and you can get out of a rut. Unless of course you think like Sarah Palin or George Bush, then you don't have a say in the matter.
Hey Area 51 you are completely wrong about Palin and Bush, first you have to say something!!!
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"Your out of your element Donnie"
Hey Area 51 you are completely wrong about Palin and Bush, first you have to say something!!!
Not saying anything is just as neo-con whacked as lying. Now Son of Cain just announces he's "heroically" suspending his campaign in order to deal with the economy and that the scheduled debates should be canceled because Americans dont want to hear contradicting points of view... It is not allowed... dont bother asking Sarah a direct question in her debate
I had to laugh at her foreign affairs experience.. Sarah Palin: "If I drive along the road to nowhere I can get to the bridge to nowhere were I can see Russia.. Maybe thats why she isnt allowed to talk to the press. Carl Rove said that was Bush's foreign policy experience.. his state bordered Mexico.
America cant afford to let more NeoCon whack jobss to steer it through the rapidly diminishing ice patch...
... dont bother asking Sarah a direct question in her debate
I had to laugh at her foreign affairs experience.. Sarah Palin: "If I drive along the road to nowhere I can get to the bridge to nowhere were I can see Russia.. Maybe thats why she isnt allowed to talk to the press. Carl Rove said that was Bush's foreign policy experience.. his state bordered Mexico.
America cant afford to let more NeoCon whack jobss to steer it through the rapidly diminishing ice patch...
I've only seen snippets of the Palin interviews but it is SOOOOOO obvious to me that she is not ready for anything beyond mayor. How she made it to governor is a real head-scratcher. Even most of the things that she claims credit for are bogus. Did you see the road to nowhere on tv? It was to go to the bridge to nowhere. The lying , cocky little bitch told us she shot that project down...she looked us all straight in the eye and told us that. Yet the Ketchikan paper has quotes from her showing she was clearly on board. As governor she "couldn't" even stop the wasteful road.
Beyond that, the way she answers questions is baffling. Sometimes she just doesn't make sense. And she leaves the "g" off of the end of words - like lyin'. She so reminds me of George Bush. Move her to Texas for a few months and she's could pass for George's sister. For her sake I hope she is up to the debate because I'm kinda worried about her. What I've seen so far has been kind of idiotic, she reminds me of a cheerleader who is popular because she's hot (although her hotness is so debatable).
__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) "When fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and holding a cross." Sinclair Lewis I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
What I find staggering is the ability of some people to glorify one soldier and vilify another. I mean, to whisper, promote and screech such lies about John Kerry and then wonder, during the next election, why the entire esteem of the Military is diminished in the average American's heart. The military folks who chimed in against Kerry should be ashamed. The same, lame, pea sized brain was at work after Pelosi's rant against abuse of power. "Get her... no matter what collateral damage we incur"... blame her afterward too!...
Clearly, people dont figure the loss to the common good into the equation when their slimy, draft dodging leaders start a campaign based on assaulting specific "enemies" within the US Military.
One question to the right wingers.... When are you going to demand honesty, security and competence from your elected officials, capitalists and representatives?
Refresh my memory, remind me of when McCain discredited his military by lying to congress, then threw a Purple Heart (not even his) away to play to the Jane (puke!) Fonda crowd, can't seem to recall the date........ Kerry tried to play both sides of the field, first he's a war hero, then he's burning his uniforms, then when it will get him elected he's a hero again. Too bad all of us hillbilly Yanks smelled his bullshit from a mile away. My wish this morning is that he and Theresa (GAG!) are crying in their caviar over losing 50% of their net worth overnight.
-Rocky-
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Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
Refresh my memory, remind me of when McCain discredited his military by lying to congress, then threw a Purple Heart (not even his) away to play to the Jane (puke!) Fonda crowd, can't seem to recall the date........ Kerry tried to play both sides of the field, first he's a war hero, then he's burning his uniforms, then when it will get him elected he's a hero again. Too bad all of us hillbilly Yanks smelled his bullshit from a mile away. My wish this morning is that he and Theresa (GAG!) are crying in their caviar over losing 50% of their net worth overnight.
-Rocky-
Tell me what good ever came from trashing a certified, American war hero and decorated war veteran? Do you have such bravery in your experience? How many medals? Anything remotely like the Mekong Delta actions that Kerry demonstrated? My point, you completely missed it as usual, is that once you let lying bitches trash your Military veterans on behalf of draft dodgers, you can expect one failure after another, the decline, the fall and the demise follows this kind of small minded "shit for brains" effort. That is why so many people dont give a shit about McCains sacrifices as a POW.
Sometimes Rocky, you got just accept the truth. He was more of a soldier than ANY of the GWB Swiftboaters. He was maligned by people less worthy of a mention than Benedict Arnold. Not liking his social disposition should never justify lying about his heroics.
Tell me, what did Kerry ever do against America that was as reckless as McCain picking Palin for VP?
Without going into details that you would find a way to discredit or dismiss anyway, there are several people on this board alone who could lay down a DD-214 that would put Kerrys to the test. And they were decorations for actions that actually took place, rather than the fantasy that Kerry promoted. Trust me son you are WAAAAAAAAAY out of your depth on this one. Better keep it to something you have first hand experience with (like spanking yer monkey........)
-Rocky-
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ROCKYMT
Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
Without going into details that you would find a way to discredit or dismiss anyway, there are several people on this board alone who could lay down a DD-214 that would put Kerrys to the test. And they were decorations for actions that actually took place, rather than the fantasy that Kerry promoted. Trust me son you are WAAAAAAAAAY out of your depth on this one. Better keep it to something you have first hand experience with (like spanking yer monkey........) What are your sources, assuming you wern't there? P.S. Rush Limbaugh doesn't count.He's a draft dodger.
-Rocky-
Well, I dont want to discredit anyone's service unless they were a murdering asshole or a lying profiteer say like... Cheney. Oh, wait... he dodged with Bush. Let's say like Dumsfeld.
I just give people the benefit of the doubt that they will have a 'Pat and Kevin Tillman' kind of approach to war, service and sacrifice and, not be like the people who lied about what happened to him and swift boated the US public, him and his folks with delay, disgrace, fraud and insults. Who doesn't that hate kind of shit?
A great, great find, Gog. Like I've said before, I've lost most of my respect for John McCain; he's proven to be just another BS politician who will say anything to win. I used to think differently of him. The really laughable part of the video is when he compares his fiscal discipline with George Bush's fiscal discipline. If the last eight years have been fiscal discipline then I'm Albert Einstein (and he's dead).
__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) "When fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and holding a cross." Sinclair Lewis I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
Tell me what good ever came from trashing a certified, American war hero and decorated war veteran?
On one side you have the people who were actually on Kerry's boat and the official record of the U.S. Navy, not to mention Kerry's scars. On the other side you have a few soldiers with a big chip on their shoulder over Kerry's testimony to Congress. Anyone who likes the second side is blatently obvious about their motivations...and also doesn't seem to think much of the Navy.
__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) "When fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and holding a cross." Sinclair Lewis I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
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