Naaah, I know gags type, he'll be fine. As long as there's a gay whale to save, or someone who he thinks is enjoying the fruits of their labors more than they should, gag will be there to right the wrong, sort of a Man of La Mancha of the lunitic fringe............Hey gag, I hear code pink is looking for new recruits..............
Semper Fi!
-Rocky-
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Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
The noose gets tighter and tighter around the neck of the hoax formally known as Man Made Global Warming. You know, that hoax that all the real scientists in the whole world knew was real, and only foolish scientists who were being paid by the boogie man doubted. Yea, that one.
The IPCC has been claiming Himalayan glaciers could be gone by 2035. The research paper they used concluded 2350. December 1, 2009 - by Charlie Martin
“Climategate” is now more than the massive misconduct of one research institution.
Following the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit (CRU) data dump on November 19, many other issues with the political science of climate change are now being let out of the darkness. (See the complete Pajamas Media aggregator and document repository here, and find another PJM exclusive on research misconduct in the climate science community here.)
Most people following the climate change debate are aware that manysourcesclaimthattheHimalayan glaciers are disappearing “rapidly” — in fact, that they may disappear by 2035, a mere 25 years from now.
Today, in a guest post at Dr. Roger Pielke Sr.’s blog, Dr. Madhav Khandekar discusses this bit of folk science (Dr. Pielke is also the subject of an upcoming PJM interview).:
The debate over global warming & “rapid” melting of world-wide glaciers and in particular the Himalayan glaciers is once again heating up. There were a flurry of reports, a few weeks ago, in the media and in particular on the BBC (UK) world-wide news service about the Himalayan glaciers melting rapidly in the face of global warming. As this debate was raging, a comprehensive report by Dr V K Raina (Himalayan glaciers: A state-of-the art review of glacial studies, glacial retreat and climate change) was released by the Indian Minister of Environment & Forestry in New Delhi, India.
Vijay Kumar Raina, a senior glaciologist and an avid mountaineer himself, has carefully analyzed some 20 glaciers to document retreat as well as advance of some of the glaciers and has cautiously concluded that it is premature to make a statement that the Himalayan glaciers are retreating abnormally because of global warming.
IPCC chair Rajendra Pachauri reacted angrily citing the IPCC 2007 climate change reports which asserted that the (Himalayan) glaciers are receding faster than in any other part of the world and if the present rate (of melting) continues, the likelihood of them disappearing by the year 2035 and perhaps even sooner is very high if the earth keeps warming at the current rate.
[Where] did this number 2035 (the year when glaciers could vanish) come from?
According to Prof Graham Cogley (Trent University, Ontario), a short article on the future of glaciers by a Russian scientist (Kotlyakov, V.M., 1996, The future of glaciers under the expected climate warming, 61-66, in Kotlyakov, V.M., ed., 1996, Variations of Snow and Ice in the Past and at Present on a Global and Regional Scale, Technical Documents in Hydrology, 1. UNESCO, Paris (IHP-IV Project H-4.1). 78p estimates 2350 as the year for disappearance of glaciers, but the IPCC authors misread 2350 as 2035 in the Official IPCC documents, WGII 2007 p. 493!
In other words, it appears that the immensely rapid decline of the Himalayan glaciers, so widely reported to be coming in 2035, was originally reported not to happen until 2350.
A flurry of corrections will no doubt be forthcoming.
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Yawn.
I'm reasonable enough to believe that typos and other mistakes are made but every time I look at where these stories come from it is almost always some right-wing two-bit rag with it's agenda plain and clear. There is zero credibility because of that. Just look at all the other stories on that site. It's all a bunch of crap. Too bad too because I'd really rather that the world was not warming.
__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
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Yawn.
I'm reasonable enough to believe that typos and other mistakes are made but every time I look at where these stories come from it is almost always some right-wing two-bit rag with it's agenda plain and clear. There is zero credibility because of that. Just look at all the other stories on that site. It's all a bunch of crap. Too bad too because I'd really rather that the world was not warming.
Ahole51,
Wondered when the faithful would check in on climategate.
Just keep believing. Your "faith" in Mann made GW is strong.
Yawn.
I'm reasonable enough to believe that typos and other mistakes are made but every time I look at where these stories come from it is almost always some right-wing two-bit rag with it's agenda plain and clear. There is zero credibility because of that. Just look at all the other stories on that site. It's all a bunch of crap. Too bad too because I'd really rather that the world was not warming.
C'mon... that would have to be one of the most convenient typos ever! And isn't all this stuff peer-reviewed? I mean, there is a concensus about MMGW, right? Did every scientist in the world ignore the typo?
Seriously, is Penn State a right-wing organization because they have placed Michael Mann under investigation? Is the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit a two-bit unit because they kicked Phil Jones off campus while they investigate his lies and exagerrations?
I already thought 2009 was the year that Global Warming died, just because it became so obvious that nothing was warming. I never expected this beautifully-wrapped holiday present incorrectly being called Climategate (it really should be known as Warminggate, of course).
You lose! But don't worry -- Al Gore still wins the decade because he's made hundreds of millions of dollars off you guys. Hopefully the yous and the Gogs and the Kiwis can take some comfort in that. And hopefully this is coming to light in time to save us Americans from the costly burden of the Cap'n'Tax bill...
"The results show clear regression of the large glaciers whose terminal tongues reach the lowest levels (about 4000 m) with a thinning of 8 to 10 m below 4400 m. Such loss is 4 to 7 m between 4400 and 5000 m, passing to 2 m above 5000 m. The satellite image evaluation yields an average mass balance of –0.7 to –0.85 m/a water equivalent for the 915 km2 of glaciers surveyed, a total mass loss of 3.9 km3 of water in 5 years. In order to check these results and validate the procedure, the satellite-derived results were compared with the mass balance for the small glacier Chhota Shigri (15 km2) determined from the field measurements and surveys, performed between 2002 and 2004 by the Great Ice research unit and its Indian partners. The mass balance determined from these field data and that calculated from satellite data agree. For both evaluation methods, Chhota Shigri glacier appears to have lost an average of a little over 1 m of ice per year. These results are in line with global estimates for glacier made for the period between 2001 and 2004. The approach is therefore being extended to other areas of the Himalaya in order to gain more information on the still poorly known changes taking place in the region’s glaciers, which are a water resource on which tens of millions of people depend."
Of course, they've only been there for thousands of years, so losing over 20 % in the space of sixty is, uh, normal, no ?
"The dynamics of the monsoon are influenced by the Himalayan system which acts as a reservoir to sustain agriculture, providing freshwater and ground water recharge, and is home to a unique ecosystem with many endemic species," Mr Kumar says.
Satellite images clearly show the shift in the location of glaciers since 1937, reiterating the point that 450 glaciers across the Himalayas are melting fast.
The Himalayan glaciers have reduced from 2,000 sq km to 1,600 sq km which is a reduction of 21 per cent! Glaciers such as Kafni in Himachal are shrinking at an alarming rate. Melting of these glaciers has led to drastic climatic changes such as rise in temperature and decrease in snowfall."
I'm sure you have a good excuse, though, Dan. Photoshop ? Maybe some oil company shill can point you in the "Right" direction ?
Some more grim reality. Keep this, Dan, then you can post back in twenty years and tell me I'm wrong, and so are the best scientists and climate specialists on the planet, or offer your apology and we'll drink a beer together and laugh at how easy you Right-wingers were to fool.
"The results show clear regression of the large glaciers whose terminal tongues reach the lowest levels (about 4000 m) with a thinning of 8 to 10 m below 4400 m. Such loss is 4 to 7 m between 4400 and 5000 m, passing to 2 m above 5000 m. The satellite image evaluation yields an average mass balance of –0.7 to –0.85 m/a water equivalent for the 915 km2 of glaciers surveyed, a total mass loss of 3.9 km3 of water in 5 years. In order to check these results and validate the procedure, the satellite-derived results were compared with the mass balance for the small glacier Chhota Shigri (15 km2) determined from the field measurements and surveys, performed between 2002 and 2004 by the Great Ice research unit and its Indian partners. The mass balance determined from these field data and that calculated from satellite data agree. For both evaluation methods, Chhota Shigri glacier appears to have lost an average of a little over 1 m of ice per year. These results are in line with global estimates for glacier made for the period between 2001 and 2004. The approach is therefore being extended to other areas of the Himalaya in order to gain more information on the still poorly known changes taking place in the region’s glaciers, which are a water resource on which tens of millions of people depend."
Of course, they've only been there for thousands of years, so losing over 20 % in the space of sixty is, uh, normal, no ?
"The dynamics of the monsoon are influenced by the Himalayan system which acts as a reservoir to sustain agriculture, providing freshwater and ground water recharge, and is home to a unique ecosystem with many endemic species," Mr Kumar says.
Satellite images clearly show the shift in the location of glaciers since 1937, reiterating the point that 450 glaciers across the Himalayas are melting fast.
The Himalayan glaciers have reduced from 2,000 sq km to 1,600 sq km which is a reduction of 21 per cent! Glaciers such as Kafni in Himachal are shrinking at an alarming rate. Melting of these glaciers has led to drastic climatic changes such as rise in temperature and decrease in snowfall."
I'm sure you have a good excuse, though, Dan. Photoshop ? Maybe some oil company shill can point you in the "Right" direction ?
Some more grim reality. Keep this, Dan, then you can post back in twenty years and tell me I'm wrong, and so are the best scientists and climate specialists on the planet, or offer your apology and we'll drink a beer together and laugh at how easy you Right-wingers were to fool.
LK,
Quite frankly, My "denier" friends and I here at Speedzilla no longer trust you and your sources. The BBC, Science mag, NYT, Discovery and National Geographic, AL-BORE, et al... have no credibility with us anymore.
Even your gloriously and oft quoted IPCC is led by a scientist whose degree is not even in Climate studies. Dr. Pauchauri (sp) is a fraud with an agenda lead by lying unscrupulous academics with a global socialistic agenda.
Glaciers being gone by 2035, was mis-transposed from 2350. Lies atop lies, quoted by idiots. Don't be a dupe, LK. Think for yourself and outside the box. Denier-ism is LOGICAL. Here's the proof. The Earth has been going thru huge temp variations for millions of years. Did humans or animal life cause this ? No one believes such. THINK ! Quit following.
I read a WSJ piece from Monday by Richard Lindzen. You should too. I know it's cerebral, but give it a try.
I won't even suggest A51 to read it since it's too difficult to think in a green haze with your head in a plastic bag. Gog, no one can help.
I think you're smart enough to think this out.
C'mon... that would have to be one of the most convenient typos ever! And isn't all this stuff peer-reviewed?
I didn't even read all of it so I'm sure you'll point out what I missed . But look, this is one paper, right? How many other papers have other dates? There must be all kinds of predictions in so many countries, etc., etc. One typo and you nuts are all over it like it is the smoking gun. How in the hell is such a large date change supposed to get by all the review? You answered your own question. It didn't. Even Zilla turds know about it, if it's true (sometimes I wonder about the things I read here). It's funny. I can just picture a few scientists around a table. "Hey lets just change the date by 315 years." "Yeah, that'll fool 'em." Absolute rubbish. Conpiracies never work. Especially when they involve published data that thousands of people have access to. Come on fellas, get a clue.
And what exactly does "gone" mean? The process of melting (if it continues) will reduce the water supply over time, not all at once when the glaciers are "gone". So the end date seems like a non event. The problem is the gradual reduction of water. When rivers become streams, not when streams become trickles. You're missing the big picture. End dates can be meaningless. Although 315 years is a long time, for sure. The people who live there are already noticing significant changes according to one show I saw. They looked pretty worried to me. But hey, I've got my big screen so what do they matter, right?
__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) "When fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and holding a cross." Sinclair Lewis I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
Here's the proof. The Earth has been going thru huge temp variations for millions of years. Did humans or animal life cause this ?
There have been a number of DIFFERENT and documented reasons for those climate changes. Common sense and actual data show that this is yet another type of change. Why is that so difficult to understand?
Oh, just noticed it's nero. Now I see why.
Ahole51! Hah, hah. I like that. It made me laugh. Good one, zero.
__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) "When fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and holding a cross." Sinclair Lewis I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
Le Qwack, what's up with this "ethical capitalism"? Where does it say that life is fair? Who determines how much wealth is "too much" (those without?) The socialist concept of equality is more riddled with lies and corruption than any capitalist scheme I could whip up. And the entire concept of "cap and tax" is nothing more than an attempt at the greatest "re-distribution of wealth" in the history of the world, an attempt to "level the playing field". It brings to mind a basic tennent of warfare (or life for that matter), "when you find yourself in a fair fight, you've badly mis-calculated!" Life to a great degree is a giant lottery, some of draw long straws, some don't. My forefathers didn't toil for generations to finally end up in the "New World", and then continue to toil, only to have some pencil necked geek from the fookin' u.n. (intentional non-caps to convey distaste and non respect) tellin' me I have to lower my standard of living so some ****awe tribesman (famous for their war call...."where the ****arewe?") can have a microwave oven and an internet connection. While we're at it why don't we just arm everyone with tactical nukes too? Seems the "fair" thing to do huh? I can hear the howls now, something like, "it's easy for YOU to say I'm not gonna share" Well, actually it IS easy for me to say, just like I say when I see some starving dirt farmer in Asscrackistan who can't ever seem to feed his family, and even though nothings changed for 1000 years, he still sticks it out.......I call that cultural Darwinisim, if you (or your great-great grandfather) can't figure out that life is gonna be better over the other side of the mountain range (or whatever) and make the move......then sorry dude, you loose. Say what you will, but it's the same as vegans, I didn't grow a set of K9 teeth so I can suck on flowers. But some people will never figure that out........
Semper Fi!
-Rocky-
PS. Those enlightened Aussies voted down their version of "cap and tax" yesterday, good on ya mates!
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Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
^ Off on a tangent here but still relevant I think : Keep thinking of yourself as -- and it's not easy to choose the most accurate words here b/c they're all misguided -- stronger , more civilized , more advanced , enlightened , smarter , yada yada , while your beloved government gets you into one quagmire after another under the false belief that the American way of life is OBJECTIVELY (and MORALLY) BETTER than the way many others live their lives , and therefore that this Americanism should be spread to other countries . I'm saying this as I share a similar standard of living as you , but w/o the delusion that the hajis are morons . Their mentality may be in the 13th century but more fierce and effective warriors don't exist . They don't see battles on a year by year timeline , more like decade after decade in a century's old battle for Islam . Just ask the Russians , and now the Marines and Canadians (once they're home and reflective) . We in the West will not "win."
Not to worry Nomo, Israel is gonna take care of the problem for ALL of us! And everyone will pooh-pooh when the mushroom clouds rise over Tehran, but then, everyone will sleep much better that night too..........('cept lots-o-mohameds who will be glowing in the dark for a century or three.......)
-Rocky-
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Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
I didn't even read all of it so I'm sure you'll point out what I missed . But look, this is one paper, right? How many other papers have other dates? There must be all kinds of predictions in so many countries, etc., etc. One typo and you nuts are all over it like it is the smoking gun. How in the hell is such a large date change supposed to get by all the review? You answered your own question. It didn't. Even Zilla turds know about it, if it's true (sometimes I wonder about the things I read here). It's funny. I can just picture a few scientists around a table. "Hey lets just change the date by 315 years." "Yeah, that'll fool 'em." Absolute rubbish. Conpiracies never work. Especially when they involve published data that thousands of people have access to. Come on fellas, get a clue.
And what exactly does "gone" mean? The process of melting (if it continues) will reduce the water supply over time, not all at once when the glaciers are "gone". So the end date seems like a non event. The problem is the gradual reduction of water. When rivers become streams, not when streams become trickles. You're missing the big picture. End dates can be meaningless. Although 315 years is a long time, for sure. The people who live there are already noticing significant changes according to one show I saw. They looked pretty worried to me. But hey, I've got my big screen so what do they matter, right?
Wait, wait, here it comes............................................. ............
CLINK!
Semper Fi!
-Rocky-
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Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
My nutz is deffinitely not numb. And I can read. Maybe when I get back from the Todd concert tonight I'll have time to waste just for you. Page 61 and 62? The lengths you will go to to find something to blow out of proportion. Sheez!
__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) "When fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and holding a cross." Sinclair Lewis I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
Poor choice of music my good man, as I (and the wife) will be at the Black Crowes concert at the Warfield.............
-Rocky-
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Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
My nutz is deffinitely not numb. And I can read. Maybe when I get back from the Todd concert tonight I'll have time to waste just for you. Page 61 and 62? The lengths you will go to to find something to blow out of proportion. Sheez!
Todd ? As in Rundgren ?
hint: 61 and 62 have the summary
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