+1, HOWEVER, I dont and never have opposed the idea of educating our youth/everyone on how not to be wasteful, the whole concept of reducing our carbon footprint is ok with me BUT dont f'cking talk to me about racing costs/taxes to start funding something when 1) they dont know exactly if there's a problem and 2) how to fix it........these mf'ers will use anything for the almighty $$$$$$$$$$, enough already.
I hear you. I agree that we need to be good stewards of the earth and we should make some effort to live cleaner and with less environmental impact. But this issue is not really about the environment -- it's about more government and less liberty. If it was just about the environment, we could educate people without the lies, exagerrations, and scare tactics. There has to be a backlash associated with that BS.
I hear you. I agree that we need to be good stewards of the earth and we should make some effort to live cleaner and with less environmental impact. But this issue is not really about the environment -- it's about more government and less liberty. AND [new/more] TAXATION!
If it was just about the environment, we could educate people without the lies, exagerrations, and scare tactics. There has to be a backlash associated with that BS.
Some of you guys need to stop typing and think of a way to get your head into the 21st century! Do you realize how foolish you sound when you repeat the "facts" that the environmentalists have been drilling into your head since the 1960's?
* the population is spiralling out of control, increasing at a frightening rate
You idiot - the population growth rate of planet Earth is the lowest it has been since 1960, only 1.1%. The USA growth rate is a measly 0.9%. China's population growth rate is even lower, only 0.5%. Japan is actually below 0% population growth rate. Take a look at France and Italy. If you don't replace yourself and your wife you end up with what? Look at the birth rate in the West. Then look at the birth rate in Muslim countries. That's the issue you should be thinking about (unless you're teaching your kids to speak Arabic!)
Stop watching National Geographic and the Nature Channel. They still run those stupid programs where there's a volcano or hurricane or falling ice chunks while the narrator speaks in a low tone warning about the destruction of planet Earth. Hell I was watching the same crap when I was 10 years old. Smokestacks spewing black terror into the sky while birds fall to the ground and die. Find me a smokestack spewing black anything into the sky in the USA these days. Find me a power plant that doesn't have at least two exhaust scrubber systems. Many have three separate systems. But of course that's not enough is it? Find a source of dioxin in the USA. Find PCB's being emitted into the atmosphere in the USA. Find some gasoline with lead in it. Find some paint with lead in it. The freakin' air and water are cleaner today than they were 25 years ago. But that's not enough is it?
Those silly environmentalists would have you believe we're running out of room on this planet! Duh. There are more trees in the USA today then there were when the USA was founded! But you'll still see programs showing bare mountains and poor little cuddly animals with no where to hide. If we cut down one tree it's one too many isn't it?
Growth rate spiraling out of control... You could actually fit every single person in the world into the State of Texas with three square feet of room per person Yea we're running out of space and the population is spiraling out of control at an alarming rate.
Spiraling out of control as in slowing down and approaching zero.
Facts, how inconvenient.
It's sad yet humorous to read some posts and see proof that the environmentalists can so easily manipulate the uninformed and intellectually lazy.
The alarming growth rate is in tiny Muslim countries! Anywhere in the West we're not even replacing ourselves!
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Quoting population numbers as if they havent changed from a thousand years ago is about right for the wrong ass right. Right wingers think that a thousand people from a thousand years ago make the same impact as a thousand people of today...they dont.. it's a thousand time worse in some modern countries. Maybe try factoring that into your next, bold claim of "nothing's wrong" or "everything is a hoax".
We all know right wing logic. It's moronic and immature. That, I think, is a fact, at least it's safe to say it. How else does the right end up doing so much damage to a country in eight, short years? The right has NEVER apologized for the damage it did. It's NEVER held it's positions longer than four years lol. NEVER. For example: they just started in with "domestic terrorists" and accusing the dems of the "socialist Obama bail out" after GWB. They just detached history and fact from GWB's bailout. With all the bad ideas, failed ideology and proven mistakes, how does the right get the nerve to shout out that everyone else is wrong? Hahaha. It scary phunny.
The ding-a-lings act as if they've been right all along! They pathologically transfer facts, truth and history into an narrow, bizarre window of faith, greed and fear. Oh look at Muslims growing while we're shrinking! lol. Oh look at these emails, lets go back to the EPA being a douche bag group of people who were one layer away from the tobacco elites. Who let business treat the ecology as Wall ST. execs treated money and truth. But hey, we all heard them claim everything was fine just before the big bang didnt we? You want a list of "everything is OK" quotes from your current leaders? Gee, could they be similar to the dismissive arrogance we see them demonstrate towards the ecology? Lets NOT have healthcare, lets NOT tax the rich and watch disparity grow. Lets torture and bomb.... bad ideas. What more proof do you need?
Yeah, they have some emails from a small group of people that, when taken out of context and repeated over and over kind of sounds like the Obama birth certificate bullshite. They'd rather get back to palm greasing, profiteering and polarizing a nation. Not a conservative value amongst the lot. If your ship is steaming toward an iceberg do you really want to argue whether it's manmade or natural before you take evasive action?
Maybe you guys have to visit the biggest clear cut in the world.. I have, repeatedly. It's not pretty I assure you. It's as big a a State or some countries and it was hacked upon us in one summer..... It changed the local ecology, a twenty thousand year old relationship between earth and sky and water, gone. No biggie right? A right winger sees something else. He sees taxes and drilling, and clearing and "progress". He mocks those who want to proceed with caution and respect. He brings on problems that diminish our freedoms. He thinks in short and selfish, segregated segments that combine to leave us with the mess of mistakes we have all seen and documented.
Hold on to your "email scandal". That seems to be a torch of accomplishment in the ding-a-ling special Olympics. Chase your arch enemy the "socialist liberal" and the Muslim. You morons are going to be the end of us. You will bomb someone, who fights back with vengeance while your incompetent leadership is busy blaming others, they will end freedom as we know it. Hey, it's all because baby Jesus said to do it, but you will see whatever natural freedoms we enjoy GONE, like a drifting smoke. A worse failure than Iraq awaits the arrogant ones who will not suffer alone for their stupidity, they will infect us all.
I have been to deep forest and deep ocean and I have watched this decline with personal and comprehensive horror. Where I see the possibility to reduce, the right winger sees a chance to laugh. The right winger can mock the extinction of a species of animal that has been here a thousand time longer than we have. "Oh, that useless bird or frog or flower". Somehow, they justify that "God's" creation was obviously put there for them to eradicate. I'm sure you guys are just following the great ideas of your party.. the party that hacked up democracy, the ecology and truth itself, yuk. Republicans will see the party faithful die in a sweat lodge before they will observe the physics of air/breath ratio. The heat, well, that's way over their heads.
Shameful.
Don't forget that CO2 levels were as high or higher millions of years ago and coincidentally right before a period of profound global cooling. All those trees can be replanted, your kids kids can goto that clear-cut and see the forrest like it was never gonee.Sustainable forresting is not a big issue in western countries anymore.
Don't forget that CO2 levels were as high or higher millions of years ago and coincidentally right before a period of profound global cooling. All those trees can be replanted, your kids kids can goto that clear-cut and see the forrest like it was never gonee.Sustainable forresting is not a big issue in western countries anymore.
Dude, please.
You dont bulldoze a clear cut of what was formerly a dozen(or more) different kinds of trees and untold vegetation and supporting eco-systems and replace them with paper product 'uni' trees then, burn and spray the shit outta the land to protect an un-natural arrangement, then crisscross it with roads and say everything is OK... come vist nature...oh man. If you do, you're pretty much one of 'them'..
You cant know a forest. You probably think that today's fishing and dumping practices are OK too. Thats too bad.
You should know how 'management' is these days.
You heard of Wall St? I guess your attitude helps you dismiss environmental issues but it's really, truly sad and wrong.
It takes 750 gallons of water to make a tshirt for Gog's sake. Are you naked. Are you wearing the skin or hair off a sheep's back? Do you live in a bamboo house? Do you wash your hands or do you use hand sanitizer without water? How big is your windmill? How much rainwater do you collect to use for watering plants? We all live in the real world here. If you make concessions in one area and judge others on their practices you become a hipocrite. Global warming is unproven. most environmentalists are not scientists and objective. I was an environmental science major in college before I switched to premed, but I have a brain that can process data from more than a single political viewpoint and am not convinced. Sorry. That does not make me a conservative, it means I have a brain that I use rather than feelings that force me to believe something that is not proven.(I'm again talking MMGW here not whether it is 2 degrees more in 1998 than 1898).
From The Sunday Times
November 29, 2009
Climate change data dumped
Jonathan Leake, Environment Editor
SCIENTISTS at the University of East Anglia (UEA) have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of global warming are based. It means that other academics are not able to check basic calculations said to show a long-term rise in temperature over the past 150 years.
The UEA’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU) was forced to reveal the loss following requests for the data under Freedom of Information legislation.
The admission follows the leaking of a thousand private emails sent and received by Professor Phil Jones, the CRU’s director. In them he discusses thwarting climate sceptics seeking access to such data.
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I'm curious. How many of you have bought into the idea than humans are the LEADING cause of global warming ? Do you even believe the Earth is warming ?
And here we are, almost a full three years later.
Man Made Global Warming is nothing but a hoax!
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They do the same lousy comparisons from individuals to nations and collectives. Oh, you own a shirt so you cannot have a valid argument. Oh you own things so you're a hypocrite. Gheeesh.
Look up to your party's apex, it's the outlook of these Quaker maroons to compare themselves to others when it comes to climate. As if that solves the reals issue of the planet warming up. They cannot differentiate from the dangers and the politics. Same way they cant accept the separation of church and state. So they want to apply church mentality to science.. the ouch is obvious. They will run with the slightest whim and we know what damage they are capable of. So, the grist for the RW lie machine is misinformation , exaggeration or outright lies. One issue that slants in their direction is then lied about, distorted and parlayed into a 'vision' of the future... eeek.
WMD is a good example. The fundamentals of the economy are strong is another. How about we're the party of family values? How about the birth certificate "scandal"? Ho about "They'll greet us a liberators". hahah Thats what right wingers bring to the world of politics and science. I could list 100 republican stupidities that are kindergarten in nature and yet touted, on the highest levels, as gospel, come to think of it, the gospel itself is one those inane, perverse stupidities.
Why would intelligent people vote for a band of a group who thinks the world will end in a coupla of years and the rapture's happening in a Wasilla parking lot? Why vote for that dumbs ass fairy tale and all the scientific ignorance that goes with it?
Maybe there's enough Nascar/wrestling/Fox News idiots to sway the slightly smarter people through fear, repetition and greed... maybe not. I really hope for the latter because Sarah Palin/Glenn Beck/Rush Limbaugh/AnneCoulter and crew are gross slobs with not enough smarts for the troubles of today. They are the ones who will bring you retarded, dis-proven ideology and spying, bombing and palm greasing in the face if impending disaster.. But hey, "You're doing a hec of a job".
The Republicans are offering more 'old world' ideas, real flat earth stuff..scary. Beyond communist. We all know that right wing dumb asses were ready, willing and determined to vote her in. And what, be taken seriously? What filter do they run everything through? The revers reality filter? Is that how you end up with facist Christian and Nazi socialist? Is that what makes polar bears reproduce like kangaroos?
They still are willing to travel that path of proven failure. Readily..willingly, downheartedly!!noo! A witch hunting "task from god' moron is better than a smart/honest but 'illegal alien' Muslim man any day I guess.
Ding-a-lings are thinking in the exact same ways that their rival religious factions think. It's a couple of hundred centuries old, this retard, inbred manthink lunacy. Only the arrogance factor is sky high because of a perceived sense of rapturous righteousness and desire over capability. Oh gawd, why dont you smite them for their arrogance? Why dont you revisit them to ask how it is they became global, high volume killers of other humans? Why not punish them for their disregard for your creation? Why dont you do to them what they claim you will do to others?
Yes, from the party that brought you two. lying draft dodgers who started two wars, we give you the "Climate Scandal" lol. The party who wants to base their next campaign on scandals and "unAmerican" values. The republicans are very much like the Chinese, cheap answers, cheap excuses, cheap shots... they remind me of birds.. cheap, cheap cheap
From a party man who's party demonstrated the worst governance in democratic history... I take that as a silly, inane comment.
Republicans want to put 'retired' auto maker CEOs in charge of the EPA. Maybe let Bush run it! How about Bobby Gindal...lol. Hey, maybe Glenn Beck could do a good job. Hey, maybe hire back the CEOs and tell them to build gas guzzlers again, maybe even clean coal cars...
Maybe hire back Wall St. CEOs to run the markets. Hey, maybe use that money you save from the "change you better believe in" to fund more wars. How about all the money you save from denying healthcare to make fat cats fatter. Thats should send a stiff message to those evil socialists.
I have said it many times before. If we left the right to their own devices we could soon see their neanderthal extinction but we welfare socialists allow them to mooch off the success of the wise and ruin the wave of success, hide like roaches in the cracks they made...over and over again...
Thats the part of left wingism that bugs me...
As what we see that is coming from the left who runs it now. And they're only in first gear.
Here's a small point but easy to capice' for you.
They'll likely outlaw heating your house and mine as I'm also in a cold climate with wood. Then whacha going to do as your gas and electric utility costs (and everybody else's) have doubled to $400 ish per month. Then we get the double tax on top of that cost increase.
Guess what, in this case the planet still has not cleaned the air. Yet they have the feel good mojo workin which is the point they make. The money generated 'from cleaning us up' will go outside your and my country to fuel third world economies. As they grow, they will likely put out X2 the pollution we generated.
From a party man who's party demonstrated the worst governance in democratic history... I take that as a silly, inane comment.
Republicans want to put 'retired' auto maker CEOs in charge of the EPA. Maybe let Bush run it! How about Bobby Gindal...lol. Hey, maybe Glenn Beck could do a good job. Hey, maybe hire back the CEOs and tell them to build gas guzzlers again, maybe even clean coal cars...
Maybe hire back Wall St. CEOs to run the markets. Hey, maybe use that money you save from the "change you better believe in" to fund more wars. How about all the money you save from denying healthcare to make fat cats fatter. Thats should send a stiff message to those evil socialists.
I have said it many times before. If we left the right to their own devices we could soon see their neanderthal extinction but we welfare socialists allow them to mooch off the success of the wise and ruin the wave of success, hide like roaches in the cracks they made...over and over again...
Thats the part of left wingism that bugs me...
goggy,
i think you got a boner for all things republican
Well nero, the visitor from planet gogulon fails to realize that both sides of the political aisle of American politics are the same damn thing. When there is an issue of importance all we have to do is close our eyes and follow the money to determine the cause. At that juncture we'll often find the oh so self righteous lefties are more crooked than the accused righties. Which is not surprising at all.
And the democrats just put Muslims in top offices at DHS. But thats ok...
I took a data dump without paper to save a tree. I'm learning gog, but I'm just having difficulty using those scratchy aspen leaves as you do.
See?? I'm a sensitive asshole after all.
The last few months must be difficult for gog as so much data is coming to light about the great hoax that is GW. I mean for him it's like telling someone that their parents bought them in a store and there is no santa. His basic foundation of life is cracking under it's own ill conceived weight.
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