Global Warming

[bigdog]

Global Warming, Or Global Con?

A U.N. that can't save the world from war, famine, disease and pestilence now releases a report saying global warming will cause all of the above — and it's your SUV that's doing it.

The fourth and final assessment of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change reads like the Bible, but gospel it is not.

It is a "consensus" in that it started with a foregone conclusion — that man-made pollution is dooming the planet — and gathered in any and all opinions that supported it.

The report incredibly warns that the 630,000 cubic miles of the Greenland ice sheet will virtually disappear in the near future, raising sea levels by almost 30 feet, and the Amazon rain forest will become a dry savannah.

There will be widespread species extinction, as up to three-fifths of wildlife will die out. The Great Barrier Reef will die.

And, oh yeah, winter sports in the Alps will be a thing of the past.

United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, who attended the report's release Saturday in Valencia, Spain, told the Independent, a British newspaper, that he found the "quickening pace" of global warming "very frightening."

He did not say if he found the "quickening pace" of Iran's nuclear bomb program "very frightening," or explain exactly what he's doing about it right now.

From genocide in Rwanda and the Sudan to wars and rumors of wars in the Middle East and the Balkans, the U.N. has done little to protect the human species as millions die at the hands of despots that sit on its human rights panel.

If Ban wants to prevent famine and disease, let him get busy in Darfur, which he also has blamed on global warming.

Indoor spraying of DDT in Africa could save millions from malaria. Bio-engineered foods could save millions from hunger. The billions wasted on climate change research could provide clean drinking water and sanitation to everyone on the planet.

The Copenhagen Consensus 2004, a cost-benefit analysis of health issues by leading economists (including three Nobel Prize winners), figured that money spent on things like micronutrients for children, HIV/AIDS and water purification produces 50 to 200 times the benefit for the human species than spending money to effect imperceptible declines in the Earth's temperature.

Wealthier societies are healthier societies, and the key to ending poverty, hunger and disease is economic growth.

It is wealthy societies that can develop and afford the technologies to use energy more efficiently and clean the air and water and feed the hungry.

The U.N. report equates the devastation unleashed by the Industrial Revolution it seeks to repeal with the global impact of a comet striking Mexico's Yucatan peninsula 65 million years ago.

But that just shows the power of natural events, not the threat posed by man. We have repeatedly noted the repeated warming and cooling of the earth without intervention by man.

Our growing world needs more energy, not less. To even keep per capita emissions the same, much less reduce them, would mean freezing everybody's living standards and condemning the world's poor to permanent poverty.

And for what?

Accepting something like Kyoto, which would dismantle our thriving free-market economy while reducing global temperatures by an estimated 0.04 degree Celsius over the next century, an amount too small to measure.

It would achieve this trifling result only at the cost of literally trillions of dollars over that time — money that will not come from some imaginary place or "global resources," but out of your pocket.

After all, when the U.N. grandly says "we must work together," what it's really saying is, "Americans must foot the bill."

The U.N. would do better to support things like the indoor spraying of DDT in the Third World to fight the rampant malaria that kills millions or bio-engineered crops that promote health while fighting hunger and famine, and oppose things that suppress the economic growth the world needs.

[Le Kiwi]

How strange to see such knee-jerk propaganda criticising the UN and insisting that "Only Amerika under the Neocons can Save the World"....by destroying it first...

Actually, no, it's not strange, because it comes from the seething neocon propaganda spawning pit that is IBD.

A serious question. Who here has EVER seen an editorial that DOESN'T list the writer, or give a contact address ? I've seen a lot of propaganda from a lot of different sources, but the IBD stuff is real "Protocols" class shit. Bravo, Bigdogma, for unearthing this little festering heap of methane belching filth.

[DanST4]

Let's face facts; the data stating that 1998 was the warmest year on record was flat out wrong; the "hockey stick" analysis showing a sharp rise in global temperatures was a complete fraud; there has been a downward trend in temperatures the last 5 years; Greenland was once lush with growth, now it's frozen; the temperature of Earth was at one time much higher, and at another time much lower.

Just what exactly is the correct temperature for Earth?

[Area 51]

Originally Posted by bigdog

A great country worthy of the name does not have any friends.

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

[bigdog]

Originally Posted by Area 51

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

it means, that if you have to ask, you are a dang idiot.

go have another toke, bonghead

[Area 51]

That type of response tells me that you either don't know what it means or you are too embarrassed to tell.

Come now, reveal yourself to all. Show us how your mind works.

[Le Kiwi]

He doesn't know what he means, he's incapable of rational thought. He just plods through the propaganda swamp like a little clockwork tinpot soldier, understanding nothing because his dogma blinkers are wound up too tight and have caused blood-circulation loss to his already diminished brain.

Here, Dan, this ones for you. You were right all along !
The close proximity of jet engines and furnaces, not to mention tennis-courts next to weather station relays has completely confused all the meteologists the whole World over !
How could they have been so silly ! They should have asked Dan, he would have corrected them, then they wouldn't have published such erroneous stuff like this;

Winter forecast a mild one as temperatures get toastier

By Doyle Rice, USA TODAY


The Northern Hemisphere is the warmest this year since record-keeping started 127 years ago, according to the National Climatic Data Center.
Temperatures for January through October averaged 1.3 degrees above the norm. If the trend continues, the year could break the record for the warmest set in 2005.
The Southern Hemisphere is its ninth-warmest since record-keeping began, the center said. Worldwide, this is the third-warmest year through October.
The USA has also seen warmer temperatures recently: The period from January to October was the seventh-warmest since records began in 1895, according to the national data center. The warmest for that period was in 2000; the second-warmest was in 1934.
The only month cooler than average was February, while seven months were described as "much above average." Temperatures in March and August were the second-warmest recorded for those months.


The recently updated U.S. winter forecast by the Climate Prediction Center calls for unusual warmth to persist across most of the nation, continuing a decade-long trend of milder winters.
Temperatures for December through February should be similar to last winter — 4% warmer than the 30-year average, the prediction center says.
"U.S. winters have been milder-than-average for the past 10 years," reports Michael Halpert, deputy director of the prediction center. Northern states have been particularly warm. He cautions that no link can be made between this string of mild winters and man-made climate change. (just to calm us all down...it's possibly just Baby Jesus playing with the weather...) LK
As for rain, "La Niña strengthened during October, making it even more likely that the USA will see below-average precipitation in the already drought-stricken regions of the Southwest and the Southeast this winter," Halpert says.
Besides the Southeast, where 76% of the region has experienced drought, dry conditions also plague the West, where 57% of the region is in drought. Jay Lawrimore of the national data center says the drought in the West can be traced to 1999, "although the expanse and severity of the drought has changed over time."
Last winter, normally the wettest time of year in the Southwest, was unusually dry. Los Angeles had its driest "water year" (July to June) on record with 3.21 inches of rain.
"If they don't get much rain there this winter, it will start to take its toll," Halpert says.
Drought could begin to develop across the southern Plains, which until now has had a very wet year, according to the latest forecasts. Texas is experiencing its fourth-wettest year on record.
The only areas forecast to be wetter-than-average are in the Pacific Northwest and the Ohio Valley.
Snow can be tricky to forecast, Halpert says. "This is just conjecture, but the area that might do the best for snow is the northern Rockies. Along the East Coast and in the southern Appalachians, it's not likely to be a snowy winter," he says.



Here is the link. They even have a graph !

Of course, it could all be perfectly natural and nothing to do with the massive planet-wide activities of Humans. Is there "Yeah, sure" smiley somewhere ?




Winter forecast a mild one as temperatures get toastier - USATODAY.com

[bigdog]

Run, kids!!! It's the Warming Monster!

Yes, children, human-caused Global Warming is even worse now. No, wait --- it's not actually worse. It's not like we have any actual facts. No, the latest banner headlines are about ifs and maybes ...

The International Herald Tribune (owned by the NYT) headlines: "Greenhouse gases at near-record levels in 2005."

Well, this isn't news. Growing Third World economies are using more energy. Russia, China and India are producing more CO2. People are eating better. They are living longer, and driving cars more. They are heating their houses when it's cold, and running their A/C when it's hot.

Run!

Unfortunately for IHT, nobody has proven that CO2 is a "greenhouse gas" on the real Planet Earth, as opposed to laboratory jars. So the IHT just smuggles in the inference with the scare words "greenhouse gas."

Real greenhouses actually grow things in real gardens. So there could be a growth of algae in the oceans just eating up all that lovely new CO2. Give more food, get more algae and other plants.

We just don't know, and the models lie, by selecting facts to fit the scare.

We do know that water vapor is " probably the most important greenhouse gas" according to the American Geophysical Union. So if there's any greenhouse gassing going on, it's the God of Rain and Clouds who's responsible.

So what was that scare headline again? Not about news, because there was no news.

Not to be outdone, the resident false alarm reporter at The New Scientist tells us that "War Has History Links to Global Climate Change."

Scared you, didn't I?

It turns out, however, that this story isn't about warming at all. It's about cooling. Cold weather is bad for crops, crop failure is bad for people, and people who are hungry will fight other people.

Oddly enough, mild warming has the opposite effect! It's actually good for children and other living things.

"The researchers believe that cooler temperatures during the Little Ice Age caused a drop in crop yields which exacerbated conflicts.

The 100-year warming period would have briefly relieved social tensions, he says. But, from the early to mid-1800s, temperatures dropped again, and conflicts resumed."

So - wait a minute - I thought we were worried about warming?

Bottom line: Why the new spate of scare stories? Well, the IHT writer tells us that it's now "two weeks before political leaders meet in Bali, Indonesia, to agree on a road map for negotiations on a new global treaty to fight climate change."

Oh. I see.

As long as the money keeps rolling in, the GW fraudmobile keeps rollling on.

Now there's a warming theory we know is true.

[Le Kiwi]

Shove your James Lewd up yourself as far as he'll go, Bigdogma. Just until he see's the light. You can plug the gaping holes in his story with the rest of the "American Non-thinker" to keep out the draught his passage will leave....

You dorks are getting desperate now, aren't you ? Good. Reality won't play by your rules anymore, not that it ever did, but you were always able to camoflage and spin it.
Toxic waste dumping in the Marinas trench ? Don't worry citizens, nothing to see, go about your lives, and trust us to ensure your security. Deep ocean currents ? Liberal myth.
Airburst atomic bomb testing ? Perfectly safe.
Exxon Valdez ? All cleaned up, no harm done, carry on fishing, citizens.
Three Mile Island ? No reason for alarm, citizens, it's all under control.
Massive deforestation causing desertification ? No, no, the greenies have it all wrong. Trust us in our management of the forests. We have perfectly competent crony's appointed to ensure our, er, your interests..
The atmosphere is polluted ? But citizens, if we try and reduce emmissions, our competitivity will suffer, and you'll all be out of a job ! Far wiser to trust us and watch you and your children die of chemical poisoning than to let our profits take a dip ! It's patriotic !
Human influenced Global Climate Change ? Nonsense. The Earth has always had vast amounts of hydrocarbons being burnt off into her atmosphere, poured into her streams and seas, belching factories and nuclear waste dumping have always been part of the Earths natural cycle, clearing the forests is natural, as is damming the rivers. Destruction of our planet is a good, old fashioned moral obligation ! It's Rightous to show the Planet who's boss.......

The little clique that sleezes around the Hudson Institute, Heritage Foundation and all the other neocon shills will have a warm day soon in Hell. The sooner the better, because ignorance like this has to be deliberate.
You can't just pretend to be this stupid.

[bigdog]

Al Gore's Oscar/Nobel Acceptance Speech (Draft)



The People's Cube has obtained a draft of Al Gore's Oscar acceptance speech to be read in full, uninterrupted by music, at Hollywood's Kodak Theater on Feb. 25. The same speech, with minor adjustments for local weather, will also be delivered in Oslo City Hall on Dec. 10, where Al Gore is hoping to receive a Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts in putting Global Warming on the front burner of class struggle. Below is the full text of Al Gore's speech:
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Ladies and Gentlemen! Comrades!

Climate change is a modern-day equivalent of class struggle. Global Warming is an easily understood, historically inevitable concept in Marxist Science designed to help the Party to crush capitalism and fulfill mankind's utmost desire to redistribute wealth and establish a centralized global government with an army of enlightened bureaucrats running a planned global economy based on world-wide quotas and five-year plans.

In the absence of classical Marxist preconditions for the Revolution - global crisis of capitalism combined with massive poverty and despair - Global Warming stands out as the most convenient, non-denominational replacement thereof.

It provides both the means to manipulate the masses - and a moral justification for doing so. As such it replaces the previously promising but failed agitprop tools as "Overpopulation," "Ozone Holes," "Global Famine," and "Ice Age 2."

Until the time when it gets replaced by another convenient agitprop tool, Global Warming must remain an unquestionable dogma in all political discussions (you shall be notified of changes, if any, by the NPR, the New York Times, and other progressive media organs.)



The importance of Global Warming for the Revolution is too great to leave it in the hands of scientists. The masses must believe that it is beneficial to have faith in Global Warming whether it can be proven or not. If Global Warming didn't exist it would be necessary to invent it.
Global Warming encompasses four dogmas:

1. Global temperatures are rising.
2. This is a bad thing.
3. Rising temperatures (if they exist) are caused by human industries.
4. We must place human industries under centralized control and issue production quotas to stop rising temperatures.

Note: if you can't prove Proposition #1 & #3 you must quickly move to #4.


Many people have difficulty with things like driving directions, balancing a checking account, and releasing the "Caps Lock" key. And yet, after watching my film "An Inconvenient Truth," they all figured out Global Warming just as easily as they had figured out the Iraq war after watching Michael Moore's Oscar-winning "Fahrenheit 9/11."

This, and many other Global Warming trivia you will find in my new book which I will be selling in the lobby right after this speech, so you better start forming a line now. Get used to standing in lines, comrades, because when my plan for the future is implemented, lines and ration coupons will become a national pastime for non-Party members.

In an easy, accessible format, my book will explain why, unless you appoint me the next President of Earth, you and your pets will all die a horrible death when this planet blows up.



The book consists of the following chapters:

1. How we're all doomed and the planet is going to blow up.
2. How stopping Wal-Mart can help the polar bears.
3. How higher taxes can help the polar bears.
4. How fairness doctrine can help the polar bears.
5. How higher unemployment is linked to cleaner air quality.
6. How poor impoverished countries like to stay that way.
7. How the printing of Bibles destroys millions of trees every year.
8. How to spot heretic scientists and other Global Warming deniers.
9. How to report Global Warming deniers to the authorities.
10. How greenhouse gases should be renamed so as not to offended the green party activists, people that don't live in houses, and anyone whose last name happens to be Greenhouse.

You will also learn:

* The quick and easy way to make anyone feel guilty enough to write you a big check.
* Idiot-proof steps for destroying world's most productive economies and getting big checks in the process.
* Down-to-earth advice on suppressing dissent and/or getting big checks by pulling "scientific facts" out of your ass.



We hear that Al Gore has generally approved the draft but asked to go easy on Marxist references so as not to scare away those bourgeois who might still write him a big check. His other suggestion was to change the book title from "The Complete Idiot's Guide To Global Warming" to "The Progressive Activist's Guide To Global Warming."

The speech, commissioned to the writers of the Propaganda Department at Karl Marx Treatment Center, has been reserved for inclusion into a compilation CD of "Historical Speeches of Famous American Leaders" also featuring speeches by Barbra Streisand, Rosie O'Donnell, and Oprah Winfrey.

[Le Kiwi]

Funnily enough, Bigcomic, you probably haven't even realised this is satire.
Rather limited and unfunny, in a tight-ass Conservative way, but satire none the less.
Still, it does ring remarkably like an "Incrediably Biased Dogma" editorial by Mr X. Maybe it's the same "righter" ? Sure seems to have the same paranoia and tense fearrorism running through it. Similar absence of facts, same tired desperate dogma "the commies, the commies, eek !" and the same complete disconnection from reality.
Maybe there is only one guy "righting" all this Denier shit ? It's hard to believe that there could be more than a handful of these idiots on the surface of the planet....



..underground, or in their mom's basements however...hmmmm ?

[DanST4]

Originally Posted by Le Kiwi

You dorks are getting desperate now, aren't you ?

Toxic waste dumping in the Marinas trench ?

Deep ocean currents ?

Airburst atomic bomb testing ?

Exxon Valdez ?

Three Mile Island ?

Massive deforestation causing desertification ?

if we try and reduce emissions, our competitivity will suffer

and watch you and your children die of chemical poisoning

Destruction of our planet

Look who's getting desperate now.

Why don't you just admit it - it's about ecology; it's about the pollution modern man is emitting as the world grows; it's about keeping Earth as clean as it once was in the past; it's about reducing consumption; it's about becoming more efficient while disregarding economics.

Admit it!

It's NOT about man-made global warming of which there is no scientific evidence. It's about ecology, always has been and always will be.

Why not just admit it?

Why try to hide behind "scientific consensus" - of which there is none? Why try to say it's already been proven, and then refuse to debate. Why respond to each and every logical, rational question addressing the weaknesses in the MMGW proposition by attacking the source of the question?

Why not just admit that you will not accept any more pollution, you don't want to see any new factories built and any more cars on the already crowded roads? Why not admit that riding a bicycle is a decent form of transportation which you want many, many other people to utilize? Why not just admit that, even if MMGW ends up being a bust it's STILL a good idea to drive electric cars and walk a lot more.

Why not be honest instead of trying to prostitute science for your own personal image of what the future should look like? It's not about survival. It's about change. It's about using MMGW to change the way people live. It's about finally taking-over the helm of this great big world and steering it in the right direction, the direction you envision as correct.

[Gog]

Originally Posted by DanST4

Look who's getting desperate now.

Why don't you just admit it - it's about ecology; it's about the pollution modern man is emitting as the world grows; it's about keeping Earth as clean as it once was in the past; it's about reducing consumption; it's about becoming more efficient while disregarding economics.

What the hell? Why are people so retarded? What these silly folks are claiming is that efficiency and economics are separate from each other. The concept that they 'go together' has not entered their minds, even after repeated attempts by the world's brightest folks.

Admit it!

It's NOT about man-made global warming of which there is no scientific evidence. It's about ecology, always has been and always will be.

The core of ecology is the health of the globe. Global warming and industrial pollution are just two of the most pressing, urgent and critical off gases of industrialization and globalization.

Why not just admit it?

Why try to hide behind "scientific consensus" - of which there is none? Why try to say it's already been proven, and then refuse to debate. Why respond to each and every logical, rational question addressing the weaknesses in the MMGW proposition by attacking the source of the question?

Stooopid

Why not just admit that you will not accept any more pollution, you don't want to see any new factories built and any more cars on the already crowded roads? Why not admit that riding a bicycle is a decent form of transportation which you want many, many other people to utilize? Why not just admit that, even if MMGW ends up being a bust it's STILL a good idea to drive electric cars and walk a lot more.

Again, if you cant see that change does not mean elimination WTF can anyone do with that?

Why not be honest instead of trying to prostitute science for you own personal image of what the future should be like? It's not about survival. It's about change. It's about using MMGW to change the way people live. It's about finally taking-over the helm of this great big world and steering it in the right direction, the direction you envision as correct.

Its about taking informed, ADULT control of issue that threaten to curtail civilization and life itself.

Stupid people need to get out of politics!

[DanST4]

Captain, it's an issue that threatens to curtail civilization and life itself! Really Spock? Well, no but that's what Al Gore told me and LeKiwi believes it too so we had better get on the bus.

But Jim, our computer tells us that many simulations lead to different conclusions, and don't forget we've seen the Earth's temperature go up and down hundreds of times in its history.

Never mind that - we can't afford to wait or study it any longer. The global temperature of Earth is at least 0.9 degrees higher, and it may go 1.5 degrees higher in the next 50 years. It's done it before in Earth's history. We know it can happen. Only fools would wait any longer. It's a matter of life and death. Oh my God we've actually waited another 15 seconds while discussing it!

Launch photon torpedoes!

[nevrenough02]

My professor was the head scientist for the ice cap and ocean floor core drilling. They can test pockets of air in the ice and the amount of certain organisims in the layers of silt. We are making the temp rise very quickly in addition to a natural warm up. The climate patterns go in intervals over millions of years with highs and lows. In these patterns are many smaller peaks and dips in temp with their own patterns. We are going up a very small peak (100 years) and will then start to cool down again. Over the larger time scale all of these smaller peaks are going down towards another ice age. Pretty cool stuff. You can see large volcano eruptions and things like that on the charts just from the info we get from cores. Nobody knows why the earth truely has this pattern of extreme heat and extreme cold but it was here long before humans existed. We are just making the tiny heat peak a lot worse than it should be. It will start to get cold again near the end of my life time or just after.

[XFBO]

Ooooooooooo, I hope you're thick skinned cuz they're gonna get youuuuuuuu.

[nevrenough02]

I hope whoever is going to get me has seen the samples being taken and the countless hours of work still being done to create these charts first hand. This isnt something we saw on TV or heard from the internet. These are factual patterns of our earths history. Nobody can say if these patterns will stay the same but, they have for millions of years now. Next up is another interval of ice age in a very long time. Anyways, this is the most accurate info out there as far as the earths climate pattern is concerned. Like I said, unless they have seen more accurate info first hand then whats the point of trying to prove otherwise?

[Baasinator]

Originally Posted by nevrenough02

My professor was the head scientist for the ice cap and ocean floor core drilling.
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We are just making the tiny heat peak a lot worse than it should be. It will start to get cold again near the end of my life time or just after.

Perhaps I misunderstood, but I'm confused.

1. It sounds like you found a level-headed professor who is teaching you how to do the dirty work and work the scientific method. That sounds great! But why does he do it? Doesn't he know the debate is over? We don't need science anymore - we have Al Gore!
2. Is your professor's salary paid by Exxon-Mobil? Are you actually attending Big Oil University? The only people who disagree with The Religion are funded by The Machine. Le Kiwi will be happy to explain.

In the meantime, enjoy your experience, and thanks for chiming in with some real-world experience.

[nero]

yes, thank you. now run to the closet where you keep your flame retardant suit.

[XFBO]

Originally Posted by nevrenough02

unless they have seen more accurate info first hand then whats the point of trying to prove otherwise?

Oh believe you me, they WILL find a motive to prove you wrong. Ive been here far too long to know they wont.

Althoooo, isnt Billary now leaning towards the positive side of this war these past few days?