The people at Hunt Oil are certainly thankful for this war. Are they the first of many?
__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) "When fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and holding a cross." Sinclair Lewis I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
This is a great victory for opponents of climate change hysteria. A judge in the UK has said that Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth promotes partisan views, and that teachers who show the film to their pupils must make it clear that there are opposing opinions on the subject.
Stewart Dimmock, a lorry driver from Dover in South-east England who has children aged 11 and 14, went to court after the government announced in February that DVDs of the film would be sent to all secondary schools in England, along with other global warming propaganda.
The Daily Mail reports that in a three-day hearing, the court was told the film contains a number of inaccuracies, exaggerations and statements about global warming for which there is currently insufficient scientific evidence. Mr Dimmock says Gore's film is "sentimental mush", and accused the government of "brainwashing" children. The Mail reports:
Mr Justice Burton is due to deliver a ruling on the case next week, but yesterday he said he would be saying that Gore's Oscar-winning film does promote 'partisan political views'.
This means that teachers will have to warn pupils that there are other opinions on global warming and they should not necessarily accept the views of the film.
Mr Dimmock said at the start of the hearing: "I wish my children to have the best education possible, free from bias and political spin, and Mr Gore's film falls far short of the standard required." He wants the film banned altogether, and his solicitor said "no amount of turgid guidance" could change the fact that the film is unfit for the classroom.
The film should certainly be banned from schools, but given that the global warming alarmists enjoy the full support of Britain's political, media and educational establishments, this is still a significant victory.
Those who believe we should have an open and honest debate on the subject should be grateful to Stewart Dimmock for standing up to the media/political global warming spin machine, and take encouragement from the fact that AIT has officially been labeled the lie-strewn piece of agitprop a lot of people have been calling it for years.
"Sentimental mush" and "brainwashing", was that about the unbiased "Daily Hate Mail" or about Mr Dimwit ?
Oh, it was about the film by US President Al Gore, an opinion piece supported by fact which is pretty much agreed upon by anyone with a hint of intelligence and access to the facts, totally apart from the clear, cold (or warm..) reality that is outside their door.
Damned, I've shot myself in the Bigfoot again by pointing out the bias and spin of the post, and not arguing the argument....
Bad Le Kiwi. Naughty ad homenim Le Kiwi...
Still, it is quite good that parents are concerned about propaganda in schools. This is a healthy and admirable attitude. I do hope though that he doesn't let his children read "The Daily Hate Mail", because that surely qualifies as propaganda, and may cause fascism and ignorance in tender and innocent young children....
Let me guess, the schools that would ban Gore's views would be the ones promoting intelligent design. Once again the RW zerocons focus in on a book of fiction from the middle east, but ignore the library of factual, documented reports on the environment that is prepared and presented by America's finest scholars and scientists. Oh hell, why not ignore that canopy that is heating up right over their heads, making real, chartable, observable changes to their everyday lives.
Dont they brainwash children in Jesus camp? But surely Jesus wants his dad's creation to be OK for the next few centuries at least. Oh...wait.. that's bad for capitalism.
What's this business about one man is going to ruin capitalism? Do people really believe AL Gore is a threat to capitalism? How dumb ass is that? hahahahah... whack!
Is that like the neocon threat and brain mush monger that Osama is going to ruin America?
The dingalings seem to take a contrived, hypothetical and minimal threat from a few and make it real for themselves, and catastrophic for us all with one incompetent debacle after another.
If we could just watch them self destruct it would be so much easier to take but, we're attached at the hip!
Let me guess, the schools that would ban Gore's views would be the ones promoting intelligent design. Once again the RW zerocons focus in on a book of fiction from the middle east, but ignore the library of factual, documented reports on the environment that is prepared and presented by America's finest scholars and scientists. Oh hell, why not ignore that canopy that is heating up right over their heads, making real, chartable, observable changes to their everyday lives.
Dont they brainwash children in Jesus camp? But surely Jesus wants his dad's creation to be OK for the next few centuries at least. Oh...wait.. that's bad for capitalism.
What's this business about one man is going to ruin capitalism? Do people really believe AL Gore is a threat to capitalism? How dumb ass is that? hahahahah... whack!
Is that like the neocon threat and brain mush monger that Osama is going to ruin America?
The dingalings seem to take a contrived, hypothetical and minimal threat from a few and make it real for themselves, and catastrophic for us all with one incompetent debacle after another.
If we could just watch them self destruct it would be so much easier to take but, we're attached at the hip!
noooooo!
Your view of the average God worshipping American is hyperbolic and hateful. You are not attached at the hip to me, Gog. You can return to planet hate where you came from.
Your view of the average God worshipping American is hyperbolic and hateful. You are not attached at the hip to me, Gog. You can return to planet hate where you came from.
I dont get the math on this statement but I'll guess you're trying to accuse me of exaggerations and abuse of literary license. Well, any god respecting, Jesus following, good Christian would not be offended by my writings. Now, a hate and fear filled, violence mongering neocon, that's another story. I should explain to you dearnero, that neocons and Christians are diametrically opposed in reason, faith and action.
I have noted you to be a follower of Rush, Coulter, Falwell(he did fall well didn't he?), Delay, Neutered Grinch, Robertson, Haggard, Swaggart, Craig, Foley, Ashcroft, Dumsfeld, Libby etc, etc on and on and on and on and on and on... Bush Scandals List
If you follow these people you are stupid...period. No hyperbole needed or implied. If I say that followers of George Bush have less IQ than a fence post then.. you got me, wait, no not quite right, um, err ahh... you're brilliant to follow GWB, he's a visionary who, belongs in the same company as the founding fathers of America and has God and Jesus on his side! Thats should make me guilty.
It's going to take the neocons another century to understand that the earth is a living organism that has a finite threshold for the line between providing and destroying life. You may want to liken it to the levees of New Orleans. If you ignore it too long it will kill you and you wont be rich or smart enough to fix. Especially if you're dumb enough to ignore it in the first place.
Here I am talking to a 21 Century flat earth human being...
Led Zeppelin
If it keeps on rainin, levees goin to break,
If it keeps on rainin, levees goin to break,
When the levee breaks Ill have no place to stay.
Mean old levee taught me to weep and moan,
Lord, mean old levee taught me to weep and moan,
Got what it takes to make a mountain man leave his home,
Oh, well, oh, well, oh, well.
Dont it make you feel bad
When youre tryin to find your way home,
You dont know which way to go?
If youre goin down south
They go no work to do,
If you dont know about chicago.
Cryin wont help you, prayin wont do you no good,
Now, cryin wont help you, prayin wont do you no good,
When the levee breaks, mama, you got to move.
All last night sat on the levee and moaned,
All last night sat on the levee and moaned,
Thinkin bout me baby and my happy home.
Going, gon to chicago,
Gon to chicago,
Sorry but I cant take you.
Going down, going down now, going down.
Nero, we have an even bigger problem than previously thought if the "average God worshipping American" believes in "Intelligent design".
I have been harboring the possible illusion that the "average God worshipping American" was still reasonably normal and intelligent (by design or error... ) and therefore could be capable of following the rest of the Christian world into a sane and logical future.
Please don't tell me I'm wrong, and that most "average American Christians" subscribe to "Intelligent design" and not evolution....
This could be a negative evolution of my hope that America can one day be saved from crushing stupidity.
Edit: Brilliant post, Gog !
Led Zeppelin, hell yeah !!
I dont get the math on this statement but I'll guess you're trying to accuse me of exaggerations and abuse of literary license. Well, any god respecting, Jesus following, good Christian would not be offended by my writings. Now, a hate and fear filled, violence mongering neocon, that's another story. I should explain to you dearnero, that neocons and Christians are diametrically opposed in reason, faith and action.
I have noted you to be a follower of Rush, Coulter, Falwell(he did fall well didn't he?), Delay, Neutered Grinch, Robertson, Haggard, Swaggart, Craig, Foley, Ashcroft, Dumsfeld, Libby etc, etc on and on and on and on and on and on... Bush Scandals List
If you follow these people you are stupid...period. No hyperbole needed or implied. If I say that followers of George Bush have less IQ than a fence post then.. you got me, wait, no not quite right, um, err ahh... you're brilliant to follow GWB, he's a visionary who, belongs in the same company as the founding fathers of America and has God and Jesus on his side! Thats should make me guilty.
It's going to take the neocons another century to understand that the earth is a living organism that has a finite threshold for the line between providing and destroying life. You may want to liken it to the levees of New Orleans. If you ignore it too long it will kill you and you wont be rich or smart enough to fix. Especially if you're dumb enough to ignore it in the first place.
Here I am talking to a 21 Century flat earth human being...
Led Zeppelin
If it keeps on rainin, levees goin to break,
If it keeps on rainin, levees goin to break,
When the levee breaks Ill have no place to stay.
Mean old levee taught me to weep and moan,
Lord, mean old levee taught me to weep and moan,
Got what it takes to make a mountain man leave his home,
Oh, well, oh, well, oh, well.
Dont it make you feel bad
When youre tryin to find your way home,
You dont know which way to go?
If youre goin down south
They go no work to do,
If you dont know about chicago.
Cryin wont help you, prayin wont do you no good,
Now, cryin wont help you, prayin wont do you no good,
When the levee breaks, mama, you got to move.
All last night sat on the levee and moaned,
All last night sat on the levee and moaned,
Thinkin bout me baby and my happy home.
Going, gon to chicago,
Gon to chicago,
Sorry but I cant take you.
Going down, going down now, going down.
Gog, you must have this "flat earther" mistaken for someone else. With the exception of Rush and Dennis, I detest those other "neocon" voices you have listed.
You have everyone right-of-center pidgeon holed. I think Bush is an idiot. But I respect the office of President.
I think in retrospect most americans now think it was a mistake to try and help Iraq by building a democracy for them. They don't seem to value that freedom, or at least their governmental leaders don't. What was your answer ? Allow a murderous dictator free reign to slaughter ?
Back on Global warming...Just because the ipcc says so doesn't make it fact. The UN has had dubious ends towards global capitalism for decades and has a reason to want to cause them harm or at least slow them way down.
I reckon from your comments though, that you don't care much for capitalism or the world's "principle" democracy anyway. Lefrog is right there with you in hating all things american. Could US envy be the source of your' and LK's hatred of amerika ? I think so. Canada and France simply can't contribute much to the defense of democracy worldwide. Their citizens don't see much use in strong militaries.
BTW, we do have one thing in common, music choice.
Nero, I think you've got me completely wrong about "hating America", or even being "Anti-democratic" or "anti-capitalist".
I think, too, that you have the wrong idea about the UN, but this is possibly more from the type of spin that you have around you than anything.
Strangely, I don't have all the answers, either. But it's good to talk and throw stuff around.....
And it's nice to know that you have excellent taste in music.
Nero, I think you've got me completely wrong about "hating America", or even being "Anti-democratic" or "anti-capitalist".
I think, too, that you have the wrong idea about the UN, but this is possibly more from the type of spin that you have around you than anything.
Strangely, I don't have all the answers, either. But it's good to talk and throw stuff around.....
And it's nice to know that you have excellent taste in music.
Published on Monday, October 8, 2007 by CommonDreams.orgGlacial Acceleration - A Sea of Troubles
by Paul Brown
It is hard to shock journalists and at the same time leave them in awe of the power of nature. A group returning from a helicopter trip flying over, then landing on, the Greenland ice cap at the time of maximum ice melt last month were shaken. One shrugged and said:”It is too late already.”
What they were all talking about was the moulins, not one moulin but hundreds, possibly thousands. “Moulin” is a word I had only just become familiar with. It is the name for a giant hole in a glacier through which millions of gallons of melt water cascade through to the rock below. The water has the effect of lubricating the glaciers so they move at three times the rate that they did previously.
Some of these moulins in Greenland are so big that they run on the scale of Niagra Falls. The scientists who accompanied these journalists on the trip were almost as alarmed. That is pretty significant because they are world experts on ice and Greenland in particular.
We were visiting Ilulissat, Greenland, once a stronghold of Innuit hunters but now with so little ice that the dog sleds are in danger of falling through even in the depth of winter.
But it is not the lack of sea ice that worries scientists and should be of serious concern to the inhabitants of coastal zones across the world. Cities like New York and states like Florida are in the front line.
Scientists know this already, but just to give you some idea of the problem, the Greenland ice cap is melting at such a fast rate it is triggering earthquakes as pieces of ice several cubic kilometres in size break up.
Scientists say the acceleration of melting and subsequent speeding up of giant glaciers could be catastrophic in terms of sea level rise and make previous predictions published this year by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) far too low. The glacier at Ilulissat, which it is believed spawned the iceberg which sank the Titantic, is now flowing three times faster into the sea than it was 10 years ago.
Robert Correll, chairman of the Artic Climate Impact Assessment, from Washington told me:”We have seen a massive acceleration of the speed with which these glaciers are moving into the sea. The ice is moving at 2 metres an hour on a front five kilometres long and 1,500 metres deep. “That means that this one glacier puts enough fresh water into the sea in one day to provide drinking water for a city the size New York or London for a year.”
Professor Correll, who is also director of the global change programme at the Heinz Centre in Washington said the estimates of sea level rise in the IPCC report in February had been “conservative” and based on data two years old. The range of rise this century had been predicted to be 20 to 60 centimetres, but would be the upper end of this range at a minimum and some now believed it could be two metres. This would have catastrophic effects for European and US coastlines.
He said newly invented ice penetrating radar showed that the melt water was pouring through to the bottom of the glacier creating a melt water lake 500 metres deep causing the glacier “to float on land. “These melt water rivers are lubricating the glacier, like applying oil to a surface and causing it to slide into the sea. It is causing a massive acceleration which could be catastrophic.”
The glacier is now moving at 15 kilometres a year into the sea although in periodic surges it moves even faster. He has seen a surge, which he had measured as moving five kilometres in 90 minutes - an extraordinary event.
If all of Greenland melts, something we were previously assured would take thousands of years, but now could be hundreds, then sea level round the world would rise seven metres. That is without any contribution from the Antarctic, the glaciers of Alaska, the Rockies, the Himalayas, or the ocean water expanding as it warms.
So the talk of sea level rise should not be in centuries, it should be decades or perhaps even single years. For 10,000 years, during all of human civilisation sea level remained stable leading us to believe that coastlines remained roughly in the same place. A century ago the sea began to rise one millimetre a year, 20 years ago it had reached two millimetres and this century it has risen to 3 millimetres. This annual rise may not seem much but add hurricane storm surges and high tides and we are soon saying good bye to a lot of coastal settlements - like the Big Apple.
Switch forward a week from the helicopter ride to George W. Bush’s meeting of 16 of the biggest greenhouse gas emitters in Washington last month and what do we hear. We hear lots of rhetoric about how, along with terrorism, climate change is the biggest threat to the earth - although the catastrophic sea level rise facing our major coastal cities does not rate a mention.
But instead of decisive political action (as with terrorism) we get suggestions from the President of voluntary cuts in emissions, down to the government of each country, and then next summer another conference to discuss where we have got to - which on past form will be nowhere at all. It did not sound like the much needed change of heart from the President, but just another delaying tactic to tide him over until his term of office ends.
Although it may sound like it, the commentators in Europe are not singling out America for criticism, although it has to be said as often as possible that the US is the world’s most profligate nation when it comes to fossil fuel consumption, AND has rejected the only legally binding international agreement that could do something about it. But Europeans are not doing enough either. We need convincing that our own leaders have enough political will to reach the tiny Kyoto targets that are the minimum first step to tackling this problem. The public hears the latest scientists’ warnings that an 80% cut in greenhouse gas emissions is needed if we are to stave off catastrophic climate change, yet wait in vain for the policies needed to achieve them.
In my book, protestors wearing George Bush masks are pictured “fiddling while the earth burns.” Maybe he is just the lead violinist of the orchestra. Paul Brown was the environment correspondent for The Guardian newspaper for 16 years and has worked in newspaper journalism for more than 40 years. He has written extensively about climate change, population, biodiversity, pollution, energy, desertification, and ocean management. Brown has appeared in and written television documentaries on environmental issues, contributed to books on green politics, and is the author of several books on the environment. He is the author of Global Warning: The Last Chance for Change. See also Global Warning - The Last Chance for Change
These are idiots who think Adam and Eve roamed with T-Rex. What would one expect from them but a dismissive, anti alarm? Just look at their dismissive response to warnings of Katrina and Iraq. Look at their solutions! There are none... just sad ass excuses and one failed response after another, one lie after another and one scandal after another... sigh. You really have to be amazed that they speak publicly without shame, apology, concern or adjustment of attitude.
One might simply ask if they have considered the possibility that they are dead wrong. If 'liberals' are wrong it would cost money, disrupt economies and make different people wealthier than what may pass by doing nothing.
If they are wrong is means massive extinction, catastrophe upon catastrophe, incalculable waste, suffering and destruction. But hey, the global warming thing is a liberal conspiracy to defraud neocons and right wingers of their money. T-Rex chasing Adam and Eve around is more believable than Global Warming. After all look how far neocons RW dingaling have evolved in the 6000 years since dinosaurs!
These are idiots who think Adam and Eve roamed with T-Rex. What would one expect from them but a dismissive, anti alarm? Just look at their dismissive response to warnings of Katrina and Iraq. Look at their solutions! There are none... just sad ass excuses and one failed response after another, one lie after another and one scandal after another... sigh. You really have to be amazed that they speak publicly without shame, apology, concern or adjustment of attitude.
One might simply ask if they have considered the possibility that they are dead wrong. If 'liberals' are wrong it would cost money, disrupt economies and make different people wealthier than what may pass by doing nothing.
If they are wrong is means massive extinction, catastrophe upon catastrophe, incalculable waste, suffering and destruction. But hey, the global warming thing is a liberal conspiracy to defraud neocons and right wingers of their money. T-Rex chasing Adam and Eve around is more believable than Global Warming. After all look how far neocons RW dingaling have evolved in the 6000 years since dinosaurs!
You just don't get it, do you Gog ?
Everything with you is framed by your hatred of all things capitalist. Your "way" has been tried and goes off into despotism everytime it's tried. Nobody cares about that crap except for college professors and the morons they taught who never could think for themselves. Are one of those guys ? Your hyperbole about T-Rex and Adam and Eve doesn't address the issue I raised about the climate "benchmark". You and your ilk want to destroy western capitalism or at least slow it. You're just using MMGW as a tool to do it. Pathetic...
Ironic that the economies that would be hurt the worst would be emerging nations. That is, if Kyoto was universal in it's application.
Ha ! That'll never happen.
Some 'Inconvenient Truths' About Goracle Film-- Rick Moran
Even though he may win the Nobel Peace Prize today, Al Gore was handed a humiliating set back yesterday in a British court which ruled that there were 9 instances in his film Inconvenient Truths that were not supported by evidence or scientific consensus:
In what is a rare judicial ruling on what children can see in the class-room, Mr Justice Barton was at pains to point out that the “apocalyptic vision” presented in the film was politically partisan and not an impartial analysis of the science of climate change.
“It is plainly, as witnessed by the fact that it received an Oscar this year for best documentary film, a powerful, dramatically presented and highly professionally produced film,” he said in his ruling. “It is built around the charismatic presence of the ex-Vice-Presi-dent, Al Gore, whose crusade it now is to persuade the world of the dangers of climate change caused by global warming.
“It is now common ground that it is not simply a science film – although it is clear that it is based substantially on scientific research and opinion – but that it is a political film.”
Some of the specific non-truths (lies) illustrated in the film include:
The claim that sea levels could rise by 20ft “in the near future” was dismissed as “distinctly alarmist”.
Such a rise would take place “only after, and over, millennia”. Mr Justice Burton added: “The ar-mageddon scenario he predicts, inso-far as it suggests that sea level rises of seven metres might occur in the immediate future, is not in line with the scientific consensus.”
A claim that atolls in the Pacific had already been evacuated was supported by “no evidence”, while to suggest that two graphs showing carbon dioxide levels and temperatures over the last 650,000 years were an “exact fit” overstated the case.
"Alarmist," "no evidence," "overstated" - not to mention the judge calling the movie a "political film" - would seem to destroy the credibility of Gore's vision of disaster. But don't worry, the Global Warming crew will be out in full force touting the idea that "most" of the film passes muster with scientists despite its blatant political bias.
Funny how spin works, here's another version of the same story:
A High Court judge has said that Al Gore’s Oscar winning documentary on climate change contains ‘nine scientific errors’ - but can be shown in schools if accompanied by information giving the other side of the argument.
Mr Justice Barton said there are elements of ‘alarmism and exaggeration’ throughout the film, used to support Gore’s arguments on global warming.
He added that the ‘apocalyptic vision’ displayed by the film is not an impartial analyses of climate change.
The case was brought to court after Kent school governor Stewart Dimmock attempted to ban the film from secondary schools.
It was laid down that teachers should point out controversial elements of the documentary, and without this guidance the government would be breaking the law.
The controversial sections include claims that global warming is ‘shutting down the ocean conveyor’ - the process which carries the Gulf Stream to western Europe.
This has been rejected by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), who say that it shutting down entirely is unlikely.
The organisation did concede that it might slow down however.
Mr Gore also asserted that polar bears are drowning as they are forced to swim vast distances to find ice. The judge said there was no real evidence to support this claim, other than a study showing that four polar bears were found drowned after a storm.
The judge said the film was ‘powerful, dramatically presented and highly professionally produced’, but that its accuracy was measured by Gore’s ‘charismatic presence’.
The judge added that - aside from the errors - the arguments made in the documentary were well supported by journals and the IPCC. The film has been sent to all secondary schools in the UK.
UK judge says Gore's film is biased
noooooo!
) and therefore could be capable of following the rest of the Christian world into a sane and logical future.
Some 'Inconvenient Truths' About Goracle Film-- Rick Moran
But YOUR version mentions '9 scientific errors' too?
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