If there were a Jesus I suspect he would want to feed the hungry, save the fragile environment we are pillaging, end the expensive wars, provide healthcare to all who need, and still provides billions for free cellphones for all the poor decrepit people who need to stay wired. You could convince more people that caring for our environment is something Jesus would expect and probably affect more change than with anything you will write and say otherwise in your entire life. Unfortunately you probably don't care enough about the planet to do anything that could be done.
Science, logic and reason atheist is more like it...
But not believing in these things sure is the easy, simple path.. it allows you to deny anything in the adult realm such as: Debate, understanding and secularism... The spin offs alone from these issues.. You stand by and allow and condone church and democracy to infecting each other...
Well, that is how we end up with morons as colossal as you Dan... I'd ask you to refer to examples but examples are too much like metaphors and metaphors are something right wingers dont process because: Metaphors make them see the truth...
Yes.
My uncle and I used to shoot bullfrogs with a .22, nail their heads to a tree and pull the skin off. Them legs is yummy! Kinda like chicken.
I was lucky to grow up in the outdoors. Deer, duck, dove, rabbit, pig. Not a lot of people get to experience that aspect to life. I'll be damned if I'll join that group of paranoid idiots, the NRA, though.
Yes.
My uncle and I used to shoot bullfrogs with a .22, nail their heads to a tree and pull the skin off. Them legs is yummy! Kinda like chicken.
I was lucky to grow up in the outdoors. Deer, duck, dove, rabbit, pig. Not a lot of people get to experience that aspect to life. I'll be damned if I'll join that group of paranoid idiots, the NRA, though.
Is the Earth still warming?
Of course the earth is warming, don't be an idiot. However we will have to see if the trend continues as the only thing that is certain in long term climate study is that the earth has alternated warming and cooling for 100's of millions of years. Frog's legs anyone?
Of course the earth is warming, don't be an idiot. However we will have to see if the trend continues as the only thing that is certain in long term climate study is that the earth has alternated warming and cooling for 100's of millions of years.
Or how much you are conveniently ignoring. The eath is warming and man is contributing some degree to the warming, the long term effects as yet to be proven. Is that fact enough, or are you only satisfied in making nonscientific worst case scenario predictions? I am not interested in those. The direct effects of destroying ecosystems is a related but separate issue. The degree of destruction in china and Russia dwarfs what the US and Canada amongst others do. That is where you should concentrate your complaints and efforts. Look what is being destroyed to produce electric car batteries. Makes storing nuclear plant waste materials look insignificant. People like you specifically are the reason large scale wind and solar can't proliferate as easily. Too many birds and turtles and small endangered invertebrates in the way of the very sources of alternative energy projects. There is no working with idiots who refuse to make concessions even to get what they want.
Or how much you are conveniently ignoring. I think the record shows who ignores what... You've done an inventory of what man hath changed since the Bronze Age?You've calculated the effects global deforestation, unbridled industrial dumping and wholesale consumption of coal and oil have added to the climate equation? You haven't ignored the science of that have you?
The eath is warming and man is contributing some degree to the warming, the long term effects as yet to be proven.
Earth does have a varying temperature record... We all agree!! yay! We do not understand all of the effects of industrial change over time? Why yes, you're correct again! Many anthropomorphic 'effects' are now proven and proven to be worsening.. correct? ,...ahem..err.. correct?
Is that fact enough, or are you only satisfied in making nonscientific worst case scenario predictions?
Cite...
I am not interested in those.
Me either
The direct effects of destroying ecosystems is a related but separate issue. The degree of destruction in china and Russia dwarfs what the US and Canada amongst others do.
How do you know this?
That is where you should concentrate your complaints and efforts.
lol! Lets call Putin and get him onboard...
Look what is being destroyed to produce electric car batteries.
Not so great an alternative ATM is it?
Makes storing nuclear plant waste materials look insignificant.
Wow!!!! You dont know much about Nuclear either I see..
People like you specifically are the reason large scale wind and solar can't proliferate as easily.
Fascinating captain...Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.I'll wait 'till you get going'...
Too many birds and turtles and small endangered invertebrates in the way of the very sources of alternative energy projects. There is no working with idiots who refuse to make concessions even to get what they want. You forgot all your deaf frogs.
You obviously have zero respect for nature or creature... right wing lowballers often say "we have to do it one way or no way".. Kinda like what you're advocating.. a one dimensional(2 max), primitive understanding of reality, mixed and unmatched 'facts' and a retched excuse for a way forward... repeat ad nauseam..
Thats because right wingers just cant seem to multi task or verify facts BEFORE projecting absurdities.. probably because they cannot grasp simple metaphors...
No for environmentalists it's their way or no way. It's save the deaf frog and screw 100 other species that might die out by doing nothing because if an environmental impact study shows anything negative, the positives cannot be taken into account. That's the one way or no way problem. That's shortsighted liberal lobbyist think. You need to look yourself in the mirror and say where can we compromise to move forward. Then those you put down might do the same. Governing from the middle produces results that while not ideal for most at least might move us forward. You are unrelenting in your hyper liberal beliefs and I have no issue up until nothing constructive occurs because of the nonsense.
Maybe you should read up on the environmental disasters going in the BRIC nations. Do your own f'ing legwork. Don't buy any Chinese shit if you actually give a damn. And learn about the storage of nuclear waste materials. It's not cheap nor simple but it is has a long track record of success and hasn't killed any deaf frogs yet, unless you know better, CITE.
Of course the earth is warming, don't be an idiot. However we will have to see if the trend continues as the only thing that is certain in long term climate study is that the earth has alternated warming and cooling for 100's of millions of years. Frog's legs anyone?
Bwa, bwa, name calling, name calling!
Somewhere here there's a discussion about CO2 leading warming this time around whereas before CO2 rise followed warming. This warming episode is distinctly different.
No for environmentalists it's their way or no way. It's save the deaf frog and screw 100 other species that might die out by doing nothing because if an environmental impact study shows anything negative, the positives cannot be taken into account. So, a 'liberal' 'activist', 'lobbyist', 'terrorist'? they will forsake 100 critters to save one.. Tell me Einstein.. do you know of any conservative conservationists?
That's the one way or no way problem. That's shortsighted liberal lobbyist think. Parrot..parrot..squawk, squawk...
You need to look yourself in the mirror and say where can we compromise to move forward. Then those you put down might do the same. So, you say we should be non sustainable as a 'compromise'? heheh So smart...
Governing from the middle produces results that while not ideal for most at least might move us forward. Forward.. to where?Good times? Easy times? Or hard time coping with our negligent, arrogant and irresponsible actions?
You are unrelenting in your hyper liberal beliefs and I have no issue up until nothing constructive occurs because of the nonsense.
Preserving nature for future generations seems to be a concept that right wingers find radical and hyper and outrageous.. wow.
Asking people simply NOT to do something that cannot be reversed is now radical?
Maybe you should read up on the environmental disasters going in the BRIC nations. Do your own f'ing legwork. No in CITE from you yet again.. lazy bastard..
Don't buy any Chinese shit if you actually give a damn. And learn about the storage of nuclear waste materials. It's not cheap nor simple but it is has a long track record of success and hasn't killed any deaf frogs yet, unless you know better, CITE.
Long track record? lol.. As compared to what.. the life of a fruit fly? Yet agian.. ding-a-ling mentality alert! There are enough nuclear waste disasters in fifty years to illustrate what can go wrong in 100,000+ years.. However, like so many right wing 'thinkers'.. you simply all the dangers in favor of 'feeling' you are right...
The Chernobyl disaster (locally Ukrainian: Чорнобильська катастрофа, Chornobylska Katastrofa - Chornobyl Catastrophe) was a nuclear accident of catastrophic degree that occurred on 26 April 1986 at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in Ukraine (officially Ukrainian SSR), which was under the direct jurisdiction of the central authorities in Moscow. An explosion and fire released large quantities of radioactive contamination into the atmosphere, which spread over much of Western USSR and Europe. It is widely considered to have been the worst nuclear power plant accident in history, and is one of only two classified as a level 7 event on the International Nuclear Event Scale (the other being the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster).[1] The battle to contain the contamination and avert a greater catastrophe ultimately involved over 500,000 workers and cost an estimated 18 billion rubles, crippling the Soviet economy.
Nothing to worry about there captain...
Thats what so funny.. they switched glasses when your back was turned....
It's unfortunate the conversation from you and Gog revolves around the question of GW when the real conversation is what can't and what can we do to lessen the effects. A 100 year energy plan accounting for the use of nuclear, wind, solar, water, natural gas, and decreasing oil and coal use is where the real discussion is. You lecture don't seem to want to go there. Why is that? In all seriousness, why? Maybe Wikipedia doesn't have all the "objective" answers after all. If you can't come up with any practical solutions just post more links to others' opinions, or try thinking for yourself instead of towing the party line.
It's unfortunate the conversation from you and Gog revolves around the question of GW when the real conversation is what can't and what can we do to lessen the effects. A 100 year energy plan accounting for the use of nuclear, wind, solar, water, natural gas, and decreasing oil and coal use is where the real discussion is. You lecture don't seem to want to go there. Why is that? In all seriousness, why? Maybe Wikipedia doesn't have all the "objective" answers after all. If you can't come up with any practical solutions just post more links to others' opinions, or try thinking for yourself instead of towing the party line.
That's a good, solid, pragmatic POV.
It's a good thing, too.
I'm all for submarine "windmills" in the Gulf Stream. We have the tech, and the vast energy in the Gulf Stream has all the power potential we're ever going to need. No lethal long-life radioactive waste to dispose of, and the infrastructure from the oil rig industry could easily be switched over into big hydropower programs. It's out of sight too, for the NIMBY's, and the potential benefit for ready-made sushi is also interesting. OK, maybe some grills to prevent fish being minced...
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That's a good, solid, pragmatic POV.
It's a good thing, too.
I'm all for submarine "windmills" in the Gulf Stream. We have the tech, and the vast energy in the Gulf Stream has all the power potential we're ever going to need. No lethal long-life radioactive waste to dispose of, and the infrastructure from the oil rig industry could easily be switched over into big hydropower programs. It's out of sight too, for the NIMBY's, and the potential benefit for ready-made sushi is also interesting. OK, maybe some grills to prevent fish being minced...
I don't have any objection, the government could even subsidize it with big Big Energy tax breaks just like the oil companies get in order to spur private investment on. Just be willing to tell the plankton experts that we can't put a giant coffee filter in front of it to prevent single cell organisms from passing through.
It's unfortunate the conversation from you and Gog revolves around the question of GW when the real conversation is what can't and what can we do to lessen the effects.
Perhaps you havent noticed the deniers and their lobby and, in fact, entire hotels of lobbies... Powerful, rich, unhindered by guilt or conscience... and determined to lie to everyone, determined to block measures to lessen any effects because they deny... If you are saying we do not propose solutions, safeguards and alternatives... you're just being foolish or being a fool. What are you doing about it? (beside condescending to the wrong people)?
A 100 year energy plan accounting for the use of nuclear, wind, solar, water, natural gas, and decreasing oil and coal use is where the real discussion is.
We agree...cept for nuclear...
You lecture don't seem to want to go there. Why is that?
Selective memory I suppose...
In all seriousness, why?
In all seriousness... How do you just blather on about the opposite of what is happening?Thats OK though! We'll get you to start spitting venom on deniers like Dan... when/if he ever returns with his RWN BS denier speak...
Maybe Wikipedia doesn't have all the "objective" answers after all.
When you see a set of Encyclopedias.. Do you say.. 'I wonder if they're "objective"'? If you do, you dont understand the concept of encyclopedia or Wikipedia.. That wouldnt surprise me...Not saying there are some elements of the encyclopedic record that are not objective but 'objectivity' is not the point of having scientific data compiled in a manual. just sayin.
If you can't come up with any practical solutions just post more links to others' opinions, or try thinking for yourself instead of towing the party line.
You're inferring you come up with your own, original, practical solutions? lol Lay them on us! I'll check to see if they're the ideas of 'others'. Towing the party line.. What party?
It's unfortunate the conversation from you and Gog revolves around the question of GW when the real conversation is what can't and what can we do to lessen the effects. A 100 year energy plan accounting for the use of nuclear, wind, solar, water, natural gas, and decreasing oil and coal use is where the real discussion is. You lecture don't seem to want to go there. Why is that? In all seriousness, why? Maybe Wikipedia doesn't have all the "objective" answers after all. If you can't come up with any practical solutions just post more links to others' opinions, or try thinking for yourself instead of towing the party line.
That's right. The conversation revolves around the question of GW being real or not because there are those here who deny it even exists. That being completely laughable it commands our response. Until stubourn people get beyond that there is little point in talking solutions. But solution HAVE been talked about. There are dozens and dozens of pages here.
That's right. The conversation revolves around the question of GW being real or not because there are those here who deny it even exists. That being completely laughable it commands our response. Until stubourn people get beyond that there is little point in talking solutions. But solution HAVE been talked about. There are dozens and dozens of pages here.
Just so you won't have the last word on this thread I'm linking this little item in the news that is undoubtedly a news story about YOU...turdboy.
Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
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