The author of the second of your little finds is:
"James Delingpole is a writer, journalist and broadcaster who is right about everything. He is the author of numerous fantastically entertaining books including Welcome To Obamaland: I've Seen Your Future And It Doesn't Work, How To Be Right, and..."
The first story you link came out on December 11. On December 12 Associated Press published the first of several inquiries into the validity of Climategate. I read it in the paper. Climategate is Nothinggate. Just more muck thrown on the wall, i.e., Republican politics. It will be milked for all it's worth but in the long run that teat will go dry. Mark my words.
The level of desperation among deniers is palpable. They even listen to Russia? Russia? Putin's country? Oh wait, he's the man with the good soul. I forgot .
Here'a another thing to consider. Everyone knows that Russia is a hotbed for hackers. They are treated as rock stars over there. Also, Russia is loaded with fossil fuels. Add in the corrupt government and what do you have?
You have a potential conspiracy to derail Copenhagen, that's what you have. The timing. The motive. The ability. The leadership .
A little critical thinking on the part of Old Fart might have kept some egg off his face. Guess he was just too desperate to score...and had a premature ejac. Too bad.
__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) "When fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and holding a cross." Sinclair Lewis I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
I've just wasted valuable minutes of my life that I'll never get back again reading the mindless drool from Jams Telephonepole and his shrill shilling in Russian, no less, and after the multiple links "validating" his smirking bunk from "Watt's up with my shilling" and other oil-company-owned Denierbots, just gave up.
How stupid are the people who believe this steaming, methane-burping compost ?
The funniest thing is that the figures, already put into context by REAL scientists, are released by the ICA, a Cato Group mouthpiece from the "Rape, Pillage and Plunder" department of the "Greed-R-Us" corporation. Is there a smiley for "surprise, surprise, surprise" ??
Poor Deniers. Like pathetic, soggy little rats scurrying in connedcentric circles in narrow, dogmatically blinded cages, spurred on by their leering owners, chittering at the bars of Reality that hem them in, gnashing their little pointy teeth into what they think is a juicy morsel, only to find that it's their tail they're gnawing...
On Tuesday, the Moscow-based Institute of Economic Analysis (IEA) issued a report claiming that the Hadley Center for Climate Change based at the headquarters of the British Meteorological Office in Exeter (Devon, England) had probably tampered with Russian-climate data. The IEA believes that Russian meteorological-station data did not substantiate the anthropogenic global-warming theory. Analysts say Russian meteorological stations cover most of the country's territory, and that the Hadley Center had used data submitted by only 25% of such stations in its reports. Over 40% of Russian territory was not included in global-temperature calculations for some other reasons, rather than the lack of meteorological stations and observations.
Delingpole adds:
What the Russians are suggesting here, in other words, is that the entire global temperature record used by the IPCC to inform world government policy is a crock.
The problem here is the IEA report does not support the claims made in the news story. I've reproduced the final graph from the report below. The red curve is the temperature trend using the 121 Russian stations that CRU has released data for, while the blue hockey stick is from a larger set of 476 stations. I've put them on top of the CRU temperatures for northern extratropics. The red and blue curves agree very well in the period after 1950, thus confirming the CRU temperatures. Well done, IEA!
The red and blue curves do diverge in the 19th century, but the one that provides more support for anthropogenic global warming is the blue hockey stick. The red curve shows warming in the 19th century before there were significant CO2 emissions, so it weakens the case that global warming is man-made. If CRU (not HAdley as claimed in the Russian news story) have "tampered" with the data, it would seem that they must have been trying to make a case against AGW. The IEA analysis is, in any case, misguided. CRU has not released all the station data they use, so the red curve is not the CRU temperature trend for Russia at all. If you want that, all you have to do is download the gridded data and average all the grid cells in Russia. You have to wonder why the IEA did not do this. Since Russia is a pretty fair chunk of the land north of 30 degrees north, the CRU graph above is a rough approximation of the what the CRUTEM3 trends for Russia is, and you can see that it looks like the blue curve and not the red one. Steve McIntyre will no doubt be demanding the IEA's data and code for their study. No doubt."
Oh man, haven't you heard? FactCheck is now in cahoots with NASA and the UN and Wiki and.... The ding-a-ling squad just attacks whatever isnt screeching denial. Denial of healthcare, denial of MMGW, denial of pollution, denial of science, reason, logic... yet another long list of flat earth lunacy..
No egg thrown and none taken. Aole52 will someday learn to follow the money and critically analyze his stance and the ramifications.
Don't put much credence in the doob smoking idiot's words guys.
That's exactly what I'm talking about, boob. Follow the money to Russia, to Saudi Arabia, Iraq, etc. Anyone selling large quantities of petroleum has the greatest reason to fight the green revolution. Are you an ally of Russia? Maybe you're a leftover communist.
The worst nightmare of the countries that I mention is that new energy comes from renewable sources. When idiots in this country attempt to divert our future to the past they are playing into the hands of those countries. Already I've seen suggestions that we are losing the green tech race to China. Yes, they have their coal, but they are also developing green in a big way. We are falling behind and we will pay for it in the near future. Let go of your past love of excess and waste. Mankind and it's economies are entering a new dynamic. After what we've seen from Detroit, it amazes me that so many people are resisting this change. Isn't it time for leadership instead of yet more stalling?
__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) "When fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and holding a cross." Sinclair Lewis I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
Our esteemed speaker of the house (and environmental watchdog) nancy "look, my face never changes" pelosi took TWO AIRFORCE TRANSPORT AIRCRAFT LOADS of her "staff" to Copenhagen to push barry's adgenda.......TWO JETLOADS!!!! Whats the fookin' carbon footprint for THAT stunt ladies?!?! (Gee, think they might stay a few days to Christmas shop on MY dime?) Sheet like this is why sooo many people have ZERO trust in our govt. Pigs at the trough, nothing more. I say execute 'em all................
Semper Fi!
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Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
Our esteemed speaker of the house (and environmental watchdog) nancy "look, my face never changes" pelosi took TWO AIRFORCE TRANSPORT AIRCRAFT LOADS of her "staff" to Copenhagen to push barry's adgenda.......TWO JETLOADS!!!! Whats the fookin' carbon footprint for THAT stunt ladies?!?! (Gee, think they might stay a few days to Christmas shop on MY dime?) Sheet like this is why sooo many people have ZERO trust in our govt. Pigs at the trough, nothing more. I say execute 'em all................
Semper Fi!
-Rocky-
Do as the speaker SAYS, not as she DOES. A majority of the greenies (and certainly all the political ones) are hypocrites.
Limousine service operators in Copenhagen say that only five of the cars they plan to rent this week are hybrids, a dearth they blame on high import taxes. Read the whole thing...
But then again, the "Greenies" and "Gories" have actually made efforts, which I personally think don't get anywhere near the attention they should, but then, as most media has a negligible Liberal bias, due to being owned by the corporate polluters, I'm not too surprised...
"Saturday, 12 December 2009
Making Copenhagen carbon neutral
More than 15,000 negotiators, observers and press have descended on Copenhagen to attend the UN summit, and all the emissions associated with them have to be offset. Credit: Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Denmark
According to a survey published this week, Copenhagen is Europe's greenest large city - a fact that is evidenced by the large proportion of people here that use bicycles to get around (despite the cold and wet climate) and the clean waters of the harbour.
Their environmental record is a fact Danes pride themselves on, and as such, have gone to considerable efforts to make the COP15 Climate Change Conferencecarbon neutral. This is no easy task to accomplish, however, with 15,000 delegates flying into town from all over the world and eating through resources at the sprawling Bella Centre venue.
In fact it’s estimated that the whole conference will generate around 40,000 tonnes of carbon dioxide, much of it from aircraft emissions. The Danish government has put up US$1 million to offset these emissions by replacing heavily polluting brick kilns in Dhaka, Bangladesh.
The project will see these kilns swapped for 20 new energy efficient versions that will use 50% less coal and save around 100,000 tonnes of CO2 a year, while also significantly improving the air quality of Dhaka. See a video about the project that you can download here on the site of the Danish Energy Agency.
For the people of Dhaka, it will also mean a noticeable reduction in the amount of toxic particulate matter in the air. "As it is, pollution from the existing brickworks is clearly visible," says Connie Hedegaard Danish Minister for the U.N. Climate Change Conference.
"Bangladesh is one of the countries hardest hit by climate change, and there’s an enormous need to help the country with technology and capital transfers. This climate project is one way to help," she says. "It will [also] ensure that the Climate Conference in Copenhagen becomes carbon neutral."
In addition to the carbon offsetting, two thirds of the food at the Bella Centre is organic, plastic bottles are banned and free bicycles have been laid on for the use of delegates. Attendees are also being encouraged to use public transport, print in black and white, recycle, wash their hands with cold water, switch their computers off instead of leaving them on standby and to choose vegetarian dishes over meat ones.
One thing that has concerned G are the vast numbers of printed documents, pamphlets and press releases that seem to be stacked on every surface in the venue... but I guess you can’t have everything."
All it takes is starting to think.
Why do you think the elites and corporate plunderers are so concerned about that ?
2008 Yugo scruyerself, leading edge Serbo-Croatian technology ! Only driven once , like new condition. Selling to make room in my garage for other toys. Must see to appreciate. Will need new batteries. Must sell, any offer considered. No joy rides please.
Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
Le Kiwi, that graph you posted is the quite the broken hockey stick. While I accept fully that we have had climate change for 2 billion years the majority hotter than today, why does the graph have a 30-40 year downslope in the heart of industrialiization starting around the end of WWII. Is that one of the many anomalies produced by mother nature?
So if I burn down a nice multispecies forrest can I make up for the carbon footprint by sending a couple million to some more people who crap and bathe in their nice clean rivers? I am sure alot of those bicycles in Copenhagen got used.
why does the graph have a 30-40 year downslope in the heart of industrialiization starting around the end of WWII. Is that one of the many anomalies produced by mother nature?
What's funny about the graph is that the start of the uprise is basically when this country began to crack down on EPA related issues but yet it's skyrocketed, how convenient for them. So maybe, just maybe, it has nothing to do with us as much as mother nature taking it's natural course.
I wonder what kind of credits or plans they'll be seeking as we approach the end of the world, Armageddon........how much $$$$$$$$$$$ will they be seeking to try to put an end to that?
I wonder what kind of credits or plans they'll be seeking as we approach the end of the world, Armageddon........how much $$$$$$$$$$$ will they be seeking to try to put an end to that? The ultimate traitor to humanity.
What a buffoon... the lot of you are not fit to run a chicken coop. Unfortunately, your leaders are about the same IQ as you and yours....
Oh and how is your tree hugging business panning out Gog. Or are you a scientist which would explain why you believe any(liberal) scientist's cockclusions on global warming? Maybe you or Le Kiwi can explain the broke ass hockey stick graph he posted.
There are no liberal scientists...they are not scientists if their liberal philosophy outweighs the reality before them and corrupts their method. If you found some members of an excellent, global scientific community who were mocking stupid denier hillbillies(for good reason) in their private emails, they are not speaking for, or are they the sum total of, that diverse and accomplished community. It is unscientific to call their work bad if ninety percent of all credible scientists are behind the simple, blatant facts on MMGW as well as your evil, hoaxing liberal scientists:.. too phunny man. , oh and evolution too, oh and gravity etc etc...
How the GOP gets away with one failure after another can only be explained by the considerate collective's seemingly endless compassion for failures and sickly peoples of all types. So much biting of the hand that feeds, so much mocking of reality coming from right wing ding-a-lingville. C'est la vie.
I ask you TwinNut, a very simple question, what if you're wrong about claiming GW and unprecedented climate change is not caused by human habitation and industry?
Gog, I do not have as much doubt about global warming as you seem tto assume. I can read graphs as well as the next person, and since that major break in warming seen on Le Kiwi's posted graph, the global temps have obviously gone up on average. I do not see how that proves MMGW, just that CO2 has gone up consistently despite both decrease and increase in temps over last 70 years. What conclusion is clear in your mind from looking at that? CO2 is at 390+ppm and has been over 600ppm millions of years ago from ice core samples recorded, which occured before an ice age. I do not assume that high CO2 causes decreased temps based on that though because no conclusive evidence points to elevated CO2 causing an ice age. What are you going to do if you are wrong Gog?
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(Gee, think they might stay a few days to Christmas shop on MY dime?) Sheet like this is why sooo many people have ZERO trust in our govt. Pigs at the trough, nothing more. I say execute 'em all................
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