Daytona 200 is going to be lame.

I have been reading news stories talking about Miguel making a run at Scott Russells title for MR.Daytona. IMHO this Daytona 200 doesn't count towards that title. No one is running in that class and its a completely different class running the race. It will be just another PR show for Honda to brag how they beat no one and took the top 5 spots again.
Do they really think we are that gullable to believe in this race?
How lame.

Gullable?? Hell yes! HONDA is banking on it. Why wouldn't they, look at all the mindless morons that showed for the (500) roundy-round-redneck-race?

Blame the AMA and their ridiculous class structure. They need to make ONE 600 class, and ONE 1000cc class in order to get all the manufacturers together. No wonder MC racing is a fringe sport in the U.S. If the manufacturers and the AMA would get their heads out of their collective asses, maybe, just maybe our sport could grow in similar ways to MotoX and SuperX??

Well I don't agree having one 600 and 1000 class, I believe there should be 2. Reasoning behind it that there should be 2 stock classes and 2 superbike or unlimited classes. The stock classes would be for the privateers to cut their teeth and get exposure and then they could move up to the higher classes after experience and time on the circuit.
In the end as far as the racing side of the sport I personally feel the AMA does not know what it is doing. And this years D200 is a clear example.
Now if we could just work on all the gullable people out there.

Did you see that Honda has also signed on to sponsor the race?

http://www.superbikeplanet.com...d.htm

I guess that's only natural.

So no-one here can remember when the 200 went from the old F-1 bikes to superbikes???

Everyone complained that it was going from a true race bike class to a street bike class.


Wrap your minds around the fact that the race is about the 200 miles and not the bikes. The best riders with the best teams using the best strategy to get 200 miles before the other guy.

FX is just the precursor to the rule change that will limit Superbikes to less then 700 cc's in the very near future.

( Daytona 200 is going to be lame.)beleive me it's going to be 1000 times better than staying here in the great white phukin north,i'm taking off tomorow night for DAYTONA, cant wait,see ya there.

We have a bunch of Speedzilla guys going to daytona this year , if anyone wants to meet up at the track IM me with your cell # and our group will meet up with your group and be one BIG Foooken Group

Let me be the first to say "you guys suck"
If I did not spend every waking hour and every dime on racing I would be down there with you.
I swear being addicted to racing is worse than being addicted to crack, heroin, hooch, and abything else you can think of................... Oh well I love it though!

dont you have a VISA OR MASTERCARD sponsorship for trips to daytona.

but F1 to Superbikes was same cc not from 1000 to 600.. what's next twofifties?

when r u guys gonna quit bitchin about honda and the fx class?

maybe it's time for all the factories to get the hell out of the supersport class and get into the unlimited fx class. the factories have the funds to do it and let the privateers with limited funds run in the limited supersport class much like superstock and superbike work in the 1000cc bikes.

i dont understand why the should have special classes for privaters and factories?

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No Actually it was not the same cc's at all. The winning-est F1 bike was the TZ 750 that would be a 4 cylinder reed valved two stroke. The Superbikes were 1000CC four strokes based as they are today on production engines/chassis.

F-1 bikes wasnt only two strokes... By the end of this era Honda had the RCB1000, Suzuki had the GS1000R and kawasaki had the KR1000 plus many other four cylinder homemade frame monster like the Zero from Moriwaki and of course The Yoshimura GS1000. In the late 70s no one else had a two stroke machine in the F1 class exept Yamaha which used the FZ750 as the first four stroke production race in 1985 and won the 1986 Daytona.

Propably this was the only reasont he changed the Daytona from two strokes to four strokes... Only Yamaha had a fast bike like the TZ750

Superbikes limited to 700cc's?

Not in this lifetime.

Writing is on the wall.

Milladin never took the super bike out of 3rd gear at Barber last year.

Bikes are outgrowing the tracks.

Cheaper to slow the bikes down then to build new tracks.

The 600cc F/X bikes ran faster laps at Laguna last year then the World Superbikes


FIM has already drafted legislation to limit the Moto GP bikes for 2008 to be under 600cc

The Tires and suspension, as well as the huge leap and bounds the engine designers are accomplishing has escalated the hardware beyond the tracks ability to contain them.

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Not in this lifetime.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Why not? They've done it before. As Giannis alluded to above, in 1983 the AMA dropped the Superbike engine size from 1000cc to 750cc because the bikes were becoming too powerful. In actuality, it was more that the chassis and suspensions of the time couldn't keep up with the power. They were putting out, maybe, 130hp at the time, and they were twisting the frames into knots.

It appears that chassis technology has made huge leaps, considering today's horsepower numbers, but as Robert said, the tracks aren't big enough any more.

Displacement isn't everything, you know. I remember hearing people ask years ago, if you could buy a 1300cc street bike, how come GP bikes were "only" 500cc...

Don't worry, if they drop Superbikes to 700cc, or MotoGP to 600cc, eventually the bikes will become faster than shit, just like they are now! It always happens...

nobody complained about 500cc GP bikes If they can squeeze 200+ HP from a 600engine.... GO fo it!

Mladin said racing 600's is more dangerous than racing 1000's, they have to carry more corner speed than the big bikes.

I thought the Suzuki's weren't able to make gearbox changes last year because of the rules, didn't they have to run the stock ratio's in the transmission?