Well, that might not be the most accurate statement either, if all three were on factory Ducati's is there REALLY any question who would dominate?
I kinda wish CS would change his mind and shock the world by going back to Ducati for ONE season before retiring, just to show winning IS possible on even that POS. For that reason alone, I think he's one of the best MotoGP racers to have graced the series.
Agreed,
If Ducati tossed the $17M or more at Stoner I wonder if that would entice him just to show Rossi and the world that it could be done. It would make MGP very interesting, again.
Also I do not doubt for a second that Ducati/Audi offered $17M or more. With Audi's MGP mad company head and their limitless sources of funds $17M is nothing. Audi spends more on the single LeMans race than some F1 teams spend all season. That investment is staggering and so $17M and possibly a title with the darling of MGP on their newest acquisition is not to be unheard of. Also I think the journalists saying that the effects of the Audi investment will not be seen for a season is very short-sighted. In order to capitalize on this investment they need to give Rossi something now not in a yr.
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Well, that might not be the most accurate statement either, if all three were on factory Ducati's is there REALLY any question who would dominate?
I kinda wish CS would change his mind and shock the world by going back to Ducati for ONE season before retiring, just to show winning IS possible on even that POS. For that reason alone, I think he's one of the best MotoGP racers to have graced the series.
I think the race for second could be interesting, especially if you wanted to hear riders complain about the bike after the race. I actually wish that CS & VR didn't immediately switch places at Ducati so they could have been on competitive machinery at the same time. On a Honda, no way Stoner finishes 4th behind an injured Rossi and Pedrosa in 2010, and it's not hard to see Rossi having a better 2011/2012 on a Yamaha.
Well, that might not be the most accurate statement either, if all three were on factory Ducati's is there REALLY any question who would dominate?
I kinda wish CS would change his mind and shock the world by going back to Ducati for ONE season before retiring, just to show winning IS possible on even that POS. For that reason alone, I think he's one of the best MotoGP racers to have graced the series.
It sure would be interesting if Stoner were with Rossi on the Ducati. On the one hand, Stoner would need to go MUCH faster than he's ever done on the old Ducati at many tracks (some around 3 seconds a lap), so yes, I'd love to see this comparison. Then, to complete it, let them ride the Yamaha together and then to Honda together...and add Lolly into the mix.
Who wins? Who knows! On current form, I'd argue that the odds are that Casey is fastest, followed by Lolly with Rossi right behind him. Extend this out to the full season, and things get murkier...as Rossi will do better in bad conditions than Casey, and Casey may have a tummy ache.
Sorry, had to throw that one in there.
But of course none of this is ever going to happen, so one has to simply reply on past achievements and championships against their peers of the day, in a somewhat indirect and "unfair" historical view, and we know who wins THAT comparison, don't we?
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I think Stoner knew Rossi was going to be on a competitive bike s*it himself and has done a runner before he gets a pasting from Rossi, for all the nasty things he's said.
I think Stoner knew Rossi was going to be on a competitive bike s*it himself and has done a runner before he gets a pasting from Rossi, for all the nasty things he's said.
You mean like the way Carl Fogarty quit racing as soon as he figured out that Honda used the same rules to give Colin the exact same advantage that Carl always had during his years of WSBK dominance.
Lmao things just keep getting worse and worse for Ducati, Furusawa has now come out and confirmed the reports that Ducati were trying to hire him to fix the bike with Presi telling him "I just want to make the bike better, it doesn't matter if I lose my position."
Audi has to be losing confidence in these knuckleheads by the second, they can't get Rossi to renew his contract and they can't get Furusawa to come in and teach them how to build a proper bike that doesn't need special rules to compete.
Lmao things just keep getting worse and worse for Ducati, Furusawa has now come out and confirmed the reports that Ducati were trying to hire him to fix the bike with Presi telling him "I just want to make the bike better, it doesn't matter if I lose my position."
Audi has to be losing confidence in these knuckleheads by the second, they can't get Rossi to renew his contract and they can't get Furusawa to come in and teach them how to build a proper bike that doesn't need special rules to compete.
Rossi has totally ruined Ducati's racing efforts. It was less than two years ago and they were winning races. Now they are totally fukked! Well done Rossi!
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Rossi has totally ruined Ducati's racing efforts. It was less than two years ago and they were winning races. Now they are totally fukked! Well done Rossi!
No, no, no you have it all wrong it is all Stoners fault for leaving Ducati. Rossi is perfecto
But to say that Rossi can't beat Lolly (or Casey) on equal machinery? I'd suggest otherwise. He would be right up there with them, and probably winning when the conditions get wet.
how many times has Rossi won the title VS moaner and goerge combined smaller motors, larger, and back to back and different teams but he does not stand a chance on equal machines
You mean like the way Carl Fogarty quit racing as soon as he figured out that Honda used the same rules to give Colin the exact same advantage that Carl always had during his years of WSBK dominance.
Yea Foggy was infact still is a w*nker who exploited an advantage over the 4s
Rossi has totally ruined Ducati's racing efforts. It was less than two years ago and they were winning races. Now they are totally fukked! Well done Rossi!
Ducati ruined themselves, Stoner's race wins did nothing but go down as the years wore on and when he made the switch to Honda he instantly had how many wins? and a title to boot.
Ducati caught the Japanese with their pants down with the switch to 800s and it didn't take long for them to catch back up and put pnuematic valves in their bikes, at the same time Casey started crashing in an attempt to ride around the bikes problems and keep up with the competition, he never won another title on the Ducati but he was crashing a lot trying to keep up. Do you even watch GP?
By your reasoning Casey just decided to suck after he won his title and wait until he got on the Honda to perform again
Ducati ruined themselves, Stoner's race wins did nothing but go down as the years wore on and when he made the switch to Honda he instantly had how many wins? and a title to boot.
Ducati caught the Japanese with their pants down with the switch to 800s and it didn't take long for them to catch back up and put pnuematic valves in their bikes, at the same time Casey started crashing in an attempt to ride around the bikes problems and keep up with the competition, he never won another title on the Ducati but he was crashing a lot trying to keep up. Do you even watch GP?
By your reasoning Casey just decided to suck after he won his title and wait until he got on the Honda to perform again
how many times has Rossi won the title VS moaner and goerge combined smaller motors, larger, and back to back and different teams but he does not stand a chance on equal machines
Huh?
Is there a question in there, or just a rhetorical opinion?
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Ducati ruined themselves, Stoner's race wins did nothing but go down as the years wore on and when he made the switch to Honda he instantly had how many wins? and a title to boot.
Ducati caught the Japanese with their pants down with the switch to 800s and it didn't take long for them to catch back up and put pnuematic valves in their bikes, at the same time Casey started crashing in an attempt to ride around the bikes problems and keep up with the competition, he never won another title on the Ducati but he was crashing a lot trying to keep up. Do you even watch GP?
By your reasoning Casey just decided to suck after he won his title and wait until he got on the Honda to perform again
They were at least relevant and capable of winning when Stoner was there. It wasn't a coincidence they stopped winning after Rossi ruined the bike. Just proves he's just another Nicky Hayden on the grid without every possible advantage over the field. Do you even watch MotoGP? Nicky and Rossi are battling each other all race on equal machinery. They are the same, like brothers almost.
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They were at least relevant and capable of winning when Stoner was there. It wasn't a coincidence they stopped winning after Rossi ruined the bike. Just proves he's just another Nicky Hayden on the grid without every possible advantage over the field. Do you even watch MotoGP? Nicky and Rossi are battling each other all race on equal machinery. They are the same, like brothers almost.
Why did Casey leave Ducati again? lmao you keep trying and keep failing. How many GP champions have left Ducati now? How many of them said the front end of the bike is shit. The bike is shit and will stay that way until they decide to start listening to their riders and improving the bike.
Why did Casey leave Ducati again? lmao you keep trying and keep failing. How many GP champions have left Ducati now? How many of them said the front end of the bike is shit. The bike is shit and will stay that way until they decide to start listening to their riders and improving the bike.
He left for the same reason Rossi left Yamaha? New challenges! The front end is less shit if you ride it harder. Rossi knows this firsthand:
"Casey rode this bike in a special way," Rossi answered every time. "I cannot ride this bike like that."
Bottom line is that regardless of the bike he was given, Stoner went out and won on it.
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smaller motors, larger, and back to back and different teams but he does not stand a chance on equal machines
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